Bureaucracy Mafia!

On July 18 2012 06:08 marvellosity wrote:
I'd much rather off someone like GGQ or BM.

On July 18 2012 13:50 Chezinu wrote:
11 minutes to go and BM switches votes..

On July 18 2012 14:02 Mattchew wrote:

what do you make of BH thinking he was dead's posts

On July 18 2012 17:45 syllogism wrote:
There is no way Foolishness is town in this game. he didn't even bother to address any of the things said about hisplay so far when earlier he was complaining about me handwading something completely inconsequential.

Just look at his filter after he showed up again. He never bothered to voice his opinion on any of the candidates and never moved his vote despite promising he would



Actually, his whole filter is quite devoid of any content other than his laughable case against me. Someone shoot him tonight, thanks.

BM: You have been pretty absent for most of D1 then you come in before the lynch and try to stir things up even more (I didn't think that was even possible) You basically sheeped everyone, your votes moved all over the place as well between gonzaw and BH. I can't get a read on you because of your blatant lack of posting (until right before the deadline)

On July 19 2012 02:57 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't think the voteswitches CAUSED the nolynch, I think they were both caused by the same thing, which was a lack of consensus and players not being around for the deadline. the voteswitches happened because people were trying to avoid no-lynching and we're trying to at least lynch someone, right? So we tried to make something work, but it ultimatley didn't.

voteswitched and nolynch were both caused by the same thing, which was lack of consensus + sleeping players.

On July 19 2012 07:08 marvellosity wrote:
I think that's a simpleminded way of looking at things. That was my point at VE. "I'd expect this". Discounting things because of totally obvious preconceived notions seems naive.

On July 19 2012 19:46 supersoft wrote:
actually voterigger isnt very protown... stealing abilitys isnt either

On July 20 2012 08:09 sandroba wrote:
@BM can you change the vote you steal from one guy to the other? If so can you do this right now? I just want to make sure you have a role.

On July 20 2012 08:11 Chezinu wrote:

there can be code names obv. and grammar can be is are a signature!

On July 20 2012 08:18 Blazinghand wrote:

He could easily be both.

On Foolishness: many people (including sandroba!) think he is scum and I'm not seeing it. I'd have preferred if focused his energies on someone other than BM (opposed to other vets I would like better reads on such as Palmar, syllogism), but that's alignment null. So I've looked into BM to determine legitimacy of his read, which I find myself agreeing with and I'm surprised that BM has been so easily dismissed because people are hunting execs, because 1) mafia is mafia, so dismissing it purely on "hunt execs" makes no sense, and 2) to think an exec couldn't pretend to own his minion's power is a dangerous oversight. I think BM is trolling mafia as I don't see any town interest in his posts, opposed to Chezinu who is trolling but has a few posts in which he shows critical thought / town insights.

On July 20 2012 11:47 Chezinu wrote:

I was trying to imply that you are the chairman of the board? Was that what I was doing?

On July 20 2012 11:48 Katina wrote:


It just takes one or two votes to switch to throw the whole town into confusion.

If votes start switching there is no garauntee that enough people will switch off Kurumi to lynch Zealos then we will end up with another no lynch. We are all in agreement and have our votes placed. I never said there wasn't a good arguement to lynch Zealos now, Kurumi is basically confirmed scum. Why would we mess that up now to attempt to lynch Zealos who may or may not be an executive? There is no way to know how high up someone is.... The speculation that he might be an executive shouldn't be allowed to cloud our judgement. Mafia is Mafia, we need to start eliminating them now. We really cannot afford more confusion and vote switching chaos again.

On July 20 2012 11:49 gonzaw wrote:


lol wat

I take it you mean Prob is mafia?
Meh, don't see him as mafia personally, specially taking into account his D1 play, and seems to interact with people and shit.
Don't know how he plays as mafia though, the only game where he was scum I remember was that Newbie one he hydra'd with Jitsu.
Prob, you still have your past games in your profile right?

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Anyways, thank god this game is going slow because I think my mind would have exploded otherwise.

I don't see anyone commenting on supersoft, *sigh* might as well try later on when people stop being lazy.

On July 20 2012 11:49 HiroPro wrote:
slOosh could you explain a little bit more what makes you think Foolishness is town other than his case on BM?

On July 20 2012 19:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chez sent me a message last night Marv. What do you make of that?

On July 20 2012 22:52 rastaban wrote:
Hmm I guess Sandroba could have bussed 2 minions to make it seem he has his role. Well that is easy to check, We just have town decide who he messages next. He only has 1 minion left at this point if scum exec, so only 1 in 20 something of actually picking that person. If that person gets the message then we confirm him town, if not then we can lynch him. he gets 1 a 1/2 cycle and no one else is likely to fall for it at this point so no waste if he gices up one of them to confirm himself.

On July 22 2012 21:39 supersoft wrote:
lol you're right. I made so many mistakes already. I shouldn't have counterclaimed instantly. I should have waited and ask him some things. If he's scum faking it, no counterclaim would have been unexpected.

On July 22 2012 21:42 HiroPro wrote:
Bill, do you see any ability that they have - not just in-thread/day abilities?

On July 22 2012 21:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
I guess the question is: why didn't either of you shoot Kurumi N1? We wasted our D2 lynch because of you guys, you WERE under specific orders to open fire.

##Unvote: Chezinu
##Vote: Palmar

Sup bro? Suuuuup?

I'm doing a little rereading over the course of today

Aside from myself and Probulous I seem to recall others unwilling to lynch BH D1 when gonzaw and he were on the block. I'm going back and specifically rereading that portion of the game to see if there's anything there...the Chairman of the Board knew BH would flip scum.



Why do you ask dear?

On July 23 2012 00:54 supersoft wrote:


I am such a fan of mass claims.

On July 21 2012 01:22 Q-bert-Z wrote:
Am I missing something or did Mr Murray say that he also steals the power of the person he votes for? If so, that makes him more or less a role - checker... Why not have him steal sandroba's vote, and see if he gets a messaging power?

Or does that not count as a thread action? (Which, now that I think about it, seems likely)

BM, what kind of information do you receive when you steal someone's power? How do you know what power they have?

On July 23 2012 06:50 Probulous wrote:
Really guys. I said why I chose VE. I said we will listen to him because he was going to lynch someone. It was a crumb.

On July 23 2012 08:06 Q-bert-Z wrote:
Good day, fellow workers,

I see you have fared quite well in my absence. You are to be commended. As Mr. Murray said, my vote has been stolen. It seems we have a mass of claims. Very interesting, everyone wants to take credit for killing of The "meany head" Fool. To be honest, I don't blame them, I would want to participate in that glorious act too, so that I may also be recorded in the annals of the Kings of Chez, as the man who helped bring down the pillar of injustice! But alas, I fear I can claim no such act.

Of course, not everyone could have killed The Fool, so we must be careful to weed out those who would use this to further their own bureaucratic goals... I must admit that I am a little confused. Did the Risky Nuke actually claim to have shot The Fool also? Or was he just being silly.

As I was reading through the newspaper the other day, I realized that i had locked my keys in my car, and when I went to go get them, I accidentally bumped my head on the glass of the car door. It hurt a lot, but suddenly I realized something! If The Fool was the CEO, and knew that when he died people would look at who he pressured, what would he do? Would he live up to his name, or would he set up fake reads??? Was his pressure in the past present a defense for the present future? Was he pressuring people in the present future by defending them in the past present? Chezinu! What is your council?


Regardless, it would seem that things for the Brown Revolution are coming along swimmingly, but we still need your help, Minonz! You must Revolt for us to begin the earnest Rebuilding! Revolt against your overlords! Your CEO has been removed, quickly, now while they are still unorganized!

On July 23 2012 12:18 Probulous wrote:
it was from my phone if that means anything.

On July 23 2012 19:32 Palmar wrote:
yeah whatever.

I'm the Eager Intern, which means that I'm now bugs's role. I can obviously pardon someone to prove it, but that would be kinda counterproductive. I can pick up the role of a dead guy, and permanently become that role.

On July 24 2012 07:25 marvellosity wrote:
Because of everything he's done

If I compare Palmar and Zealos, then Palmar has done far less in the scummy stakes as far as I can see

My read on BM has been scum for a while, but I've not looked at his filter properly yet :/ Dunno what Foolishness was playing at calling me scum and it's the same with BM

On July 24 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:


Be gone. If you're gonna prance around the thread telling us you have a girlfriend and that we can check on facebook lolololol <3 I'm sure it's love, then the fact I spent a long weekend visiting uni friends = little time, should sit perfectly fine with you.

On July 24 2012 07:55 marvellosity wrote:
Probe you best be town my friend

On July 24 2012 07:57 Probulous wrote:


You know what is useful in these games?

READING

Honestly Marv you haven't bothered reading and now you're complaining without knowing anything. Save your berth and read. Thn come back when you have something.

From phone.

On July 24 2012 07:57 marvellosity wrote:


I can't even respond to this because it so greatly misunderstands what I say.

standard bm

On July 24 2012 09:09 VisceraEyes wrote:


YOU SUCH A BAUS <3

On July 24 2012 09:14 Probulous wrote:


See Day 1.

I worked like an all mighty bitch to get a lynch of either Gonzaw (my preferred) or BH (backup). By my reads that would be a choice between two scum which explains why it was so hard. My point though is that the no lynch was facilitated because people were allowed to bring in other targets. I was one of them. Take it as lesson learnt.

Palmar is my strongest read and so I have pushed him. If you want to lynch someone else, then explain why my case is wrong and I will consider yours. Until you do that I am not risking a no lynch simply because someone else might be scum. You forget we have less voting power than usual.

On July 24 2012 05:03 Mattchew wrote:
you have palmar voting palmar (and zealos)

##vote: Palmar

On July 24 2012 09:18 Mattchew wrote:

Lol you forget that other cases may be as good if not stronger than yours. Didn't you chastise (or atleast allow people to chastise) me for doing the exact same thing to my strongest read Katina? I don't see you revoking my claims in order to push my vote onto Palmar. Why should I do something that you are not willing to do yourself?

On July 27 2012 10:39 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, seems lots of people still think I'm scum (and most haven't even stated why) so I kind of guess what will happen
If you assume I'm town, then who do you think is scum?
Because I don't really plan on hearing "Zealos is town because you are scum" as defenses of him >_>

On July 27 2012 18:53 supersoft wrote:


"Protactinium vote stolen 7/27 05:30"



nice move.

On July 28 2012 01:58 marvellosity wrote:
seems BM was right about Chez - "hiding in plain sight"

On July 29 2012 01:39 gonzaw wrote:


I just reread Foo's PM and it said he could use a "secret trap door" or something to instantaneously kill the traitor in the mafia team.
The flavor matches....however, MZ's death wasn't "instantaneous", it came with the Day Post.
Also, there was no other KP missing, which I think most likely means scum used their single KP on MZ, and the flavor just made it seem like scum "terminated" their traitor like the CEO would have done
Plus I don't think the Chairman of Marketing has the same ability from the CEO. I don't remember sloosh's PM (Chairman of the Board) having a similar ability.

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Anyways, I'm leaving to see a movie so I think I'll be back 1-2 hours before the deadline. I hope we get some discussion going instead of blatant sheeping that will cause town to waste a complete cycle.

On July 29 2012 03:07 rastaban wrote:
Just an FYI , BM took my vote this cycle. dont think it affects anything as he is likely confirming I don't have a thread power.