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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 24 2012 02:21 GMT
#3016
austin, you think slOosh's claim is real?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 24 2012 16:05 GMT
#3066
Eh, the lists aren't really the thing that make Matt scum. It's the fact that he focuses only on Katina (without really saying much other than lynch her and "wbg said this is a good way to catch katina", picks up on inconsequential things going on in the thread (like the thing about VE going "wah wah wah") and tries to use that as justification for his "reads", and doesn't really make pushes for anyone to be lynched (other than katina, who has never been a serious candidate).
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 24 2012 16:51 GMT
#3076
On July 17 2012 04:08 Mattchew wrote:
More evidence against Katina. She pushes Palmar for wanting the RL but doesn't mention Hiropro who also came out in favor of it. She says that she doesn't like Palmar's defense with his "I hate you guys" and "I dont want to talk to marv anymore" post but then posts this to me
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 02:48 Katina wrote:
On July 17 2012 02:36 Mattchew wrote:
CAN SOMEONE READ WHAT I POSTED ON KATINA, AT THE VERY LEAST TO JUST TELL ME IM WRONG


You're wrong



WBG said here (LVI Obs) the way to catch Katina
Show nested quote +
Also if you read my reasoning behind Katina being scum that's essentially how you catch her. She was much more slippery this game, probably because she heeded the advice I gave her last time. She had multiple targets and she made "cases" on different people (last time she just tunneled one guy) but her downfall was that if she was town she would've equally attacked different people for the same reasons. In other words if she wanted stronger scumplay she should've been aware of contradicting herself


She ignores others in favor of RL and she contradicts herself about Palmars defense with her own completely lacking defense


On July 23 2012 10:30 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 10:24 gonzaw wrote:
On July 23 2012 10:17 Mattchew wrote:
On July 23 2012 10:14 Probulous wrote:
I noted this earlier but I think I should come back to it
On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote:
As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him.

is remarkably similar to this
On February 13 2012 17:49 Palmar wrote:
I think we should murder sinani206. At worst nothing of value will have been lost.

From Werewolves where he was scum and successfully pushed for sinani's lynch. His efforts into labelling QBertz as sinani seem way over the top, especially that QBertz sounds nothing like sinani (could be roleplaying but I find it hard to believe QBertz is sinani).

he actually thought sinani was scum that game (there were 2 scum teams)


Mattchew, why exactly do you think Katina is scum?
I agree that she's likely scum, but I want to see your reasoning for it.

I said it before using a WBG quote on how to quote her. I think she is accusing people for things other people (or herself) are doing. I don't think a lot of the things in her cases are logical and she was told by wbg (in advice to improve her scum play) to make more cases on more people, which I think she's forced out this game.


This and this? The RL thing was only a small part of Katina's case on Palmar, hardly a case of treating people differently for doing the same thing. Your second post is very late into the game - yet do you provide any specific examples or discuss in detail? No, you're merely content to say "this is way to catch katina, katina has been caught she is scum".

You keep commenting "yea katina is scum" and saying we should vote for her, but do you say anything about her later behavior or posting or analyze it? No, all you do is tell other people "compare Katina's play this game to other games" and say "Katina is my strongest scum read"


All of your posts on other people are very superficial. You make a comment on one small thing, say that they are scum, and then just pretty much do nothing. You see that your candidates are not up for lynch, yet you do not put effort into pushing them or seriously convincing others of their guilt.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 24 2012 17:02 GMT
#3078
On July 25 2012 01:58 marvellosity wrote:
Whose guilt have you been convincing us of then Hiro? ^^


BH and Zealos are the guys I've been most sure of being scum this game.


If you do not get what I am talking about with regards to Matt, look at his view on MZ for example. He calls MZ scum in the very beginning, then has proceeded to do nothing about it. After day 1 all he ever does with MZ is include him on ever single scum list he makes. He's not talking at all about what MZ is posting.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 24 2012 17:10 GMT
#3081
On July 25 2012 02:05 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 02:02 HiroPro wrote:
On July 25 2012 01:58 marvellosity wrote:
Whose guilt have you been convincing us of then Hiro? ^^


BH and Zealos are the guys I've been most sure of being scum this game.


If you do not get what I am talking about with regards to Matt, look at his view on MZ for example. He calls MZ scum in the very beginning, then has proceeded to do nothing about it. After day 1 all he ever does with MZ is include him on ever single scum list he makes. He's not talking at all about what MZ is posting.

Define doing nothing about it.


Everything Mattchew has ever said about MZ since day 1. I call this doing nothing about it.

+ Show Spoiler +

On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote:
If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost

Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum
Katina - read my filter
Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting
Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself
Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL
Bill Murray
Chezinu



On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes that post never came. After composing some of it and it being built up so by Probulous, I reread it and realized that most of it was stuff that had been mentioned or was drawing connections between people that didn't happen.

So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH.

Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah

For those keeping score at home

Scum =
Foolishness
Kurumi
VE
Rastaban
Katina
MZ

maybe chez?



On July 20 2012 07:42 Mattchew wrote:
Cool add zealos to the list


Scum =
Foolishness
Kurumi
Zealos
VE
Rastaban
Katina
MZ

On July 24 2012 23:59 Mattchew wrote:
Syllo style working backwards time

layabout
sloosh
HiroPro
Bill Murray
Gonzaw
Meapak_Ziphh
austinmcc
Katina
rastaban
marvellosity
risk.nuke
Q-bert-Z
Zealos

I took out all dead people, and anyone I consider strongest town reads (syllo super prob VE chez)

Next lets take off the list people I dont think are possible lynches for today (this will be biased)
Bill Murray
austinmcc
risk.nuke
marvellosity
Gonzaw

This leaves us with
layabout
sloosh
hiropro
Meapak_Ziphh
Katina
Rastaban
Q-bert-Z
Zealos

With me believing Sloosh's claim and Q-bert-Z's excuse

This leaves our remaining scum team

probable Execs - MZ and Foolishness's Girlfriend
probable minions - layabout, hiropro, Rastaban, Zealos





On July 25 2012 02:05 marvellosity wrote:
Alright... you're up for lynching Zealos tomorrow then?


Yes.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 24 2012 17:17 GMT
#3083
On July 25 2012 02:14 slOosh wrote:
Anyone have thoughts on this? Only austin sort of addressed this:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote:
Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge.


Only the traitor can actually decide whether or not revealing themselves will actually help town. If they think they can get more info, they should stay hidden. If they have some actual evidence on other scum members than they should reveal themselves.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 24 2012 17:21 GMT
#3087
On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote:
We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak


Explain the case to me then please.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 24 2012 18:24 GMT
#3105
On July 25 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 02:21 HiroPro wrote:
On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote:
We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak


Explain the case to me then please.

He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak.

It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time.

It doesn't get much more passive than this:

Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 20 2012 04:01 HiroPro wrote:
MZ, you think Zealos is scum?

I do actually. He came in, was under some pressure, and then promptly checked out once he was safe. To me that's always extremely scummy. If you were a serious lynch target you had better work your ass off to give town reason to keep you around next time. Zealos hasn't done that.


Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
I think Zealos is scum! The literal non-thread-reading and utter garbage that tries to look town but isn't makes him like my #1 scumread.

Well that's nice to know, I'd appreciate if you wrote out a case. You're lucky to not be dying today so I think you should make some serious contributions to give people reasons to rethink their position on you.


At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos.

Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all.


Ok, I think your points about MZ starting the blame game on people who started the gonzaw wagon when he himself relied on sandroba's read on gonzaw and not following up at all on people "who threw their vote away" are good. And MZ is a more likely executive than Mandalor/Zealos. I'm fine with lynching MZ tomorrow.



On July 25 2012 03:03 Katina wrote:
To answer a question I saw a few pages back, I'm not really leaning for sure Mafia on Syllo anymore after I went through his filter a while ago. I'm more of a null read on him right now and I wouldn't be up to lynch him at this moment since I have found others who are much more scummier to me. I don't think it's a good idea to lynch Zealos (atleast not right now) As I said there are others that should be lynched instead right now.

I feel strongly for a sloosh or gonzaw lynch as I have state before. I have seen some talk sbout Meapak and I wouldn't mind that either (Since he's on my list) but as for Zealos he hasn't been around for awhile so I will hold off on that until I see more from him. His filter can go either way... Either Mafia or misguided townie (I'm not positive on which one like Mattchew)


Katina, why is mattchew a "misguided townie"?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 25 2012 03:18 GMT
#3254
T_T I want to see some blood Probulous.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 25 2012 14:39 GMT
#3386
I'll sheep syllo on this, but I still think Zealos should be lynched.

##Vote Gonzaw
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 25 2012 14:50 GMT
#3388
yes marv, sometimes it feels good to not think
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 25 2012 14:56 GMT
#3391
On July 25 2012 23:52 marvellosity wrote:
what is your read on gonzaw??


It's pretty null. "Is not reading…., seems to have put some effort into his reads on Foolishness/supersoft, defends Palmar with dumb reasoning…"
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 25 2012 15:18 GMT
#3400
Chez, I thought you were going srs mode
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 25 2012 23:26 GMT
#3487
It's not just the PM thing, Probulous. Go to my filter and check the response I made to foolishness.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 26 2012 13:09 GMT
#3536
##nuke slOosh

I'd definitely prefer lynching slOosh over gonzaw.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 26 2012 17:04 GMT
#3565
Ah, that's why you were so focused on the traitor role.

We are setting up a counterclaim. Check out WBG's C9++. The CEO tells me that we have stuff in place to resolve everything. It is likely that you will quickly be found out - that is ideal, it adds credibility; however, you must remain alive long enough for the other pieces of the plan to fit.


This makes it seem like supersoft is a fake...
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 26 2012 17:15 GMT
#3575
slOosh's boss (marketing) knew Palmar was mafia, yet he told slOosh to attack him. I'd rather not make connections based on the attack/agree with.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 26 2012 17:39 GMT
#3592
The more I think about it, supersoft being a fake makes sense. He didn't claim until well after BH died and slOosh claimed. He was around right after the night post, yet he chose not to claim. Why would a town vigi do this? Vigis almost always claim either right before or right after the night post. They don't generally wait for someone else to claim their role. It's not something that is expected.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 26 2012 19:24 GMT
#3643
so MZ is claiming mole also? ok, then lets lynch sloosh, even if he is mole he counts as mafia anyway.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 26 2012 19:29 GMT
#3654
-_- Are you fucking kidding me MZ. What is the point of claiming cop? What the hell does telling us that sloosh showed up as red tell us.
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