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Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 06:09 GMT

#2085

oh noes! oh noes! he's capitalized the you

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 06:15 GMT

#2090

On July 20 2012 15:13 Blazinghand wrote:

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Or rather, someone claiming to be you messaged me today.

I did not message you today. Let's say I do have a day ability, well I only just used my top secret ability a few minutes ago..

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 06:22 GMT

#2091

On July 18 2012 09:17 Chezinu wrote:
VE, my first impression was to look up the OP for something I recalled. "However, there will be no word limit either. So there will be plenty of room to dictate strategy."

You see, minions can receive an enormous amounts of information. Can you find a pattern of illogical behavior among the members?

If I had minions... would I be rash and command them to do my impulsive bidding or would develop an epic long trilogy of the adventures of Chezinu Isunizehc renamed that contains complex and hard to follow strategies for my minions. I wonder what would be censored...

VE, you said that this would not take long.. maybe in terms of read all of their posts...

If I was mafia, would tell my minions to go for the no lynch and if that fails, I would tell them 3 targets that they could possibly kill. I would reiterate all the rules in the OP. To make sure everyone has read the rules. I would not take my pm's lightly. For PMs are Powerful..

I live you with food for thought and inconclusiveness in order to maintain my undercover identity...

On July 20 2012 08:00 Chezinu wrote:

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They get their messages extremely late. The Chairmens wait for the CEO to message one of them. Then the chosen chairman copy pastes the CEO's message and includes an additional message for himself. They get long messages that take forever to get to them. If someone recieves a short message they will likely post it in the thread as WBG and Blazing has done. The faster the post it the more likely they are either town or CEO. The CEO shouldn't get any messages from his minions unless one of the minions has the ability to message people and figures out who the CEO is and copy pastes a portion of the CEO's pm to prove he is a minion. Then the CEO will send a message to for everyone to will hint and clues indicating such a person is part of the mafia team. Maybe he might mention that such and such person need to be protected or for everyone not to vote for such and such person. By now, if the mafia CEO is somewhat disciplined and smart and not impulsive, he would have a trademark signature in his message.

The goal:

Let's drive them crazy. Someone with a role that can wiretap into The System needs to get hold of a message from the CEO or the chairmans. Then you will have the trademark. Exposing this trademark to the public will force the CEO to create a new signature.. but by the time this happens he can just reiterate a previous pm message to prove who he is.. The Director of Communication seeks an employee who is capable of retrieving these messages.

Come on Company, Its Time to Take the Company Back!

On July 20 2012 08:04 Chezinu wrote:
Oh and the director of Communications will gladly get bussed with a some Chairman or minion in order to steal their message and also to prevent people from killing him - that way a mafia player will die in place of the director!

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 06:23 GMT

#2092

On July 20 2012 13:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
VisceraEyes Attempt At Night-Kill Analysis

First, the reason I've done this: the mafia kill mechanic.

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So, here's my theory: this night-kill holds significance because A) I haven't done this analysis yet

and B) This night is the most likely that the CEO does not know who his minions are yet.

The information that the CEO has, as I understand it, is the names of his two Executives. And the information that the Executives have are the names of the minions.

But all mafia but the CEO must submit a name for the night-kill.

So this means 2 things. 1) that the night-kills will more likely have an actual reason other than "to throw town off" or "blue snipe" and 2) that the CEO gets information on who his minions are by who they want to kill.

Given all of this, my assumption is that Blazinghand is Mafia. First of all, just so we're clear, I do NOT have the ability to block nukes. Nothing stops a nuke. It's a nuke. I guess it's possible, but I very seriously doubt it for two reasons. 1) because RoL had a dud nuke. It never had a chance of exploding, ever. And 2) Because as Bugs commented earlier - if BH was town and had a block available, he would have blocked Kurumi's nuke the moment he found out that Kurumi was scum. Regardless of the fact that scum minions don't know who each other are, it is a net gain for town to prevent mafia from achieving their objectives. Period. Kurumi could have been under direct orders to fire that nuke for all we know.

So right now I'm looking at something like...

Kurumi, Zealos, Foolishness, Blazinghand

...if we're talking about my like...really heavy strong scum reads. Layabout is still up there, and here's something else I found that was interesting:

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Which further makes me question my read on marvellosity to be honest. Starting to think marvellosity is scum too, because layabout goes unnoticed by marvellosity in spite of

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On July 19 2012 21:01 marvellosity wrote:

On July 19 2012 18:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright guys let’s talk rastaban. The first thing that caught my eye was, conveniently, his first post so let’s start there.

On July 16 2012 23:32 rastaban wrote:
Caught up now, thoughts so far:

First off the random vote is a bad idea, normally the reason it is used is to eliminate mafia influence, but guess what the mafia don't know who each other are so this lynch will be without their influence anyway. We have a golden opportunity to have a lynch today with mafia having to base their judgments on reads, and make hard choices while not able to communicate. Fellow employees do not squander this opportunity!

This leads to my second point, Lynching scum doesn't put someone in the clear, especially this early in the game. They don't know who each other is so they can lynch themselves, so look for sound reasoning not just who they voted for.

@ HiroPro

Third yes mafia only has 1 KP see:

Extra Information:
The mafia kill process goes like this:
Every day, all mafia members except for the CEO send in a name on who they wish to kill. Then, the CEO must choose to kill one player on the list by the night deadline.

Fourth, While I think a Policy lynch on claiming blues is bad, I do think you bring up a very valid point. As you mention 1 for 1 may not be a bad trade for them so I think we should certainly be extra wary of any claimants and possibly lynch the claimant if it seems fishy, but I think a Policy is going a bit too far.

OK so thats my setup review / plans post, I am now working on locating scum so I will follow up in a bit with my thoughts on who to lynch.

This post is a whole lot of fluff. The game has been going on for a while when he makes this and there’s plenty to discuss however rastaban is more comfortable discussing the setup. This is a red flag, this type of post is something you make right after the game starts, not when the game has been going on and there are actual issues that can be addressed.

To continue with this theme we have posts like this:

On July 17 2012 00:19 rastaban wrote:
Wait I just realized it said "one" of them in those posts. I had thought they sent out a message to all their followers at once, but it means instead of the above example, at most the high up, could tell one other person to try and save him. That means only 2 scum detractors at most from any lynch today

Again, it’s just talking about the setup instead of actually scumhunting.

Let’s look at the next two posts together:

On July 17 2012 01:37 rastaban wrote:
@BH
What is this??? the only way someone could vote you is if they are scum, do you really believe you are that town?
Your latest post is so crazy I almost think it is a joke.

On July 17 2012 03:54 rastaban wrote:
VE both games I have played with you you pushed someone incredibly hard day 1, why do you want to do a random lynch, cant you find any scum this time?

Both these posts serve no purpose. Does rastaban think either of these two are scummy? Who knows. He says that BH is so crazy he almost thinks it’s a joke but gives us no read. Similarly with VE, he mentions how VE’s behavior is different than what he’s observed but gives no read.

After a nice little wagon has built up on BH, rastaban finally feels confident calling for someone’s death:

On July 17 2012 05:18 rastaban wrote:
I like the case on BH better than the on Mz right. I feel GGQ is right in his assessment that mafia will use the lack of ties to make them more bold in their case rather than second guessing. Look at my play as Serial Killer, I decided to try and play as pro town as possible, I ended up going overboard and tunneling risk.nuke in my effort. I feel like MZ's caution is the sign of town who wants to get things right rather than scum who wants to get the day over with. Think about it we still have more than 24 hours of discussion to go.

As others have also pointed out, he is also trying too hard to find reasons for his votes, it makes them seem fake.

##vote blazinghand

He like the case on BH better than the one on me but spends most of the post talking about something other than his reasons for voting BH.

Ultimately, rastaban’s vote seems like it is available to whichever candidate is currently the flavor of the hour:

On July 17 2012 13:29 rastaban wrote:
Sylo also looks like a good target, and while his actions are Scummy I recommend the Ace method, when two people both look like scum start by lynching the player you have more content on. We can give Sylo till tomorrow to improve if need be, and lynch this scum BH he has so much content and it all points one way

On July 18 2012 11:33 rastaban wrote:
I like the BH LYnch better but I could go for lymching Austin as well mainly because the only defense for him is it's so scummy scum wouldn't do it. I have mis-lynched gonzaw before and this case on him doesn't seem that strong. That said his reaction is quite different than in bang bang so I would take over a nolynch if we can't get BH or Austin stung up.

On July 18 2012 12:32 rastaban wrote:

On July 18 2012 12:26 Mattchew wrote:
I think Gonzaw is overwhelmed (not enough time) and that very much plays into why his meta would seem off. His confidence seems to be gone without being able to be the most dominant (usually by sheer volume) poster in the thread. I think this is the first time I have ever seen this little filter out of him and I think this all stems from not having enough time. I think his reactions and posts are sincere and truthful

I see u are on MZ. Gonzaw and mh are our leading candidates and it looks like I agree to give gonzaw a bit more time. Will u switch to MH?

On July 18 2012 12:57 rastaban wrote:
Sorry guys but I have to head to bed. I think the momentum is swinging back to BH so I will leave my vote where it is.

The last post really betrays rastaban’s strategy. He “agrees” with the every case that was brought up d1 however he sticks with BH because that’s where the momentum is. This just screams scum trying to fit in. He’s not going to argue hard for the BH lynch, he won’t stick his neck out by switching to another candidate but he’ll agree with the argument against that person just to be in agreement. Finally, he chooses to go with BH because it’s the one that seems the least controversial.

This may not be a very elegant post but it should get the point across and I need sleep. I’ll be happy to answer any questions when I wake up.

tl;dr rastaban needs to die at some point.

I'd like to give this some love. I started off reading it sceptically but at the end I was down with it. Meapak demonstrates in rastaban what I would classify as the classic mafia mindset in this setup - not rocking the boat, going with the flow, not drawing attention to yourself with dissent. rastaban this game is classic mafia.

...being the reason marv gave for agreeing with MZ's case. Considering marv's high regard for Bugs as a player, I'd expect a town marv to be all up on layabout after Bugs post on him. But Bugs must have been killed for a reason.

tl:dr -

Blazinghand is Mafia
I think marvellosity and layabout are suspicious based on my reread.
I do not have a nuke-block.
Skidoosh.

*digs*

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 06:31 GMT

#2095

On July 20 2012 15:28 Probulous wrote:
Hmmm but is there anyone with that skill?

Chez, I assume your memory hasn't changed then?

Is this about the nuke only being half true and about chezinu only being half chezinu?

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 06:35 GMT

#2096

On July 20 2012 15:15 Chezinu wrote:

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I did not message you today. Let's say I do have a day ability, well I only just used my top secret ability a few minutes ago..

Ya know what... maybe... just maybe.. or maybe not maybe but really... I could have messaged you yesterday...

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 06:44 GMT

#2098

On July 20 2012 15:38 Probulous wrote:

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It's about Palmar

So do you want to know where I was... well I was... not in a mafia irc cause we can't no communicate.. but I was at work or sleeping or something.. . even if I was there, why does it matter? I would never want to fall into the lynch policy nonsense. That stuff is ugly.. you know it doesn't matter and not very productive you knows.. I rather make jokes and talk nonsense to get people to relax and then BAM you falls into my trap as blazing did.. or something like that.. poor gonzaw.. well uhs umm... RL is a joke.. no not real life, thats kind of important .. the whole random lynch.. you know that like dumb.. you know there are good players with good analyzing skillz - just look around ya. Behavior analysiseses work. yeah... uh.. I didn't do it!

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 06:46 GMT

#2100

On July 20 2012 15:46 Probulous wrote:
Ok guys, it is clock off time. Weekend is calling.

I am going to be busy as hell but will try and post when I can.

ok, if you are going I'll let you know a secret... I'm a boss!

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 06:54 GMT

#2101

On July 16 2012 22:12 Palmar wrote:
note to self: sandroba confirmed scum.

It's ok, we can deal with that later.

On July 16 2012 22:07 sandroba wrote:
Right I read through everything. I want to kill blazinghand. Smart people that disagree please post reasons!

On July 16 2012 22:16 sandroba wrote:
BH random voted chez, voted the dude that agree with him, stirred up a fuz then gone. Mafia!

On July 16 2012 22:39 Kurumi wrote:

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So there was sandroba who was diligent and made cases, where is he?

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 07:38 GMT

#2104

On July 20 2012 16:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I got a message from what I assume is Chezinu. Chez can you confirm sending me a message?

oh so you did see the light indeed. and blaze thought he got a message from me today.. psh... plz

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 07:41 GMT

#2105

Well there you have it. I, Chezinu the Great, is here by confirmed to be insanely town. May the mafia panic! For fear of my mad detectiveness... oh geez..HELPES HELPS THEY WNATS TO KILL ME NOW!!

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 07:44 GMT

#2106

FYI, the message I sent on day 1 was never posted... Muahhahaha I control the minionz muahhahaha.. I wonder if the person I messaged was a chairman... I wonder if he still is following my orders... orders that will reveal to me all of the mafia!!! muahahhahaaha

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 07:59 GMT

#2111

On July 20 2012 16:58 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Explain.

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 08:01 GMT

#2112

On July 20 2012 15:13 Q-bert-Z wrote:
Hello my co-workers. Please forgive my absence, thing have been quite busy in RL, I've been taking care of an ailing grandfather, and thought that I would have more time, but things have picked up as of late. I will contribute when I can, but it's not going to be much for a while.

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 08:06 GMT

#2114

Blaze.. you must protect me... my end is near...

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 20:34 GMT

#2258

On July 21 2012 03:46 sandroba wrote:
And by the way, 2 people messaged kurumi. Me on day1 and someone who is not chezinu on night 1 (chezinu messaged wbg).

No I didn't

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 20:41 GMT

#2262

ok, I'm caught up.

##vote sandroba

why don't you want to be my friend? you could join department.. the house of chezinu has plenty of messengers...

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 20:44 GMT

#2264

If kurumi is innocent.. then the mirror roles could be false.. if kurumi is pardoned.. or "vetoed" then.. yeah... If mafia.. then mafia is going to die..

if kurumi is innocent:

town has 3 communicators, a nuke, a dud rocket, and a judge.

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 20:45 GMT

#2265

<-- ok, I'm quite busy today.. I try and check in tonight...

Chezinu

United States7432 Posts

July 20 2012 21:59 GMT

#2324

On July 21 2012 06:48 gonzaw wrote:

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Who forged a PM?
The only way that has any bearing is if NOBODY claims they sent that PM in a massclaim or sorts.

If messages like the one wbg and other people received are never claimed (i.e the sender never claims he sent that message) then you can't lynch anybody until they do since you don't know shit, and that message could have easily been sent by a minion with similar powers for instance who decided not to claim.

false. Minions will most likely not have the ability to message town. If they do have the ability to message town and pick a mafia member to message.. the message is deleted...amazing! Its like a role check!

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