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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 20:40 GMT
#1454
VE, my love. My darling. I don't care what you say about me <3
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 20:41 GMT
#1455
I'd lean on town-side of null on Palmar atm.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 20:44 GMT
#1459
? Palmar calls people stupid all the time. I don't know how alignment telling it's supposed to be but definitely not on the scummy side.

I remember him calling all of us retards in Redux for lynching Sentinel, although we were right and he was wrong.

Additionally he's not shitting up the thread in any way and most of his posts are to the point.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 20:51 GMT
#1461
Also VE, I am extremely happy to discuss practically anything with you, I've just not got the energy to discuss you thinking I'm scum.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 21:10 GMT
#1464
yeah, I like gonzaw's post. It's much more gonzawy. he was a 3rd or 4th choice lynch candidate yesterday and if we should listen to him if he's gonna make that kind of effort.

Naturally it helps that I think Foolishness is scum anyway.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 21:36 GMT
#1476
It doesn't look much like a sandroba message
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 21:38 GMT
#1478
what do you mean Meapak?

you don't think a message from another player changes his wincon surely??
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 21:53 GMT
#1486
bugs, you don't agree with Palmar re: layabout then?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 22:05 GMT
#1502
...because he'd certainly want to track himself to the post like that
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 22:06 GMT
#1504
Blazing... exactly?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 22:08 GMT
#1509
I think that's a simpleminded way of looking at things. That was my point at VE. "I'd expect this". Discounting things because of totally obvious preconceived notions seems naive.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 22:17 GMT
#1516
BM? I'm not used to you making astute comments :<
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 23:17 GMT
#1537
On July 19 2012 08:15 Kurumi wrote:
Anyway, we have a claim from Q that he got a message, sandroba sent one, wherebugsgo claims that he got one (I call shenanigans on this one) and I know I got another one too.
A little too much, right?


have you told us what it said?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 19 2012 00:22 GMT
#1573
Katina, this game you are not a "chosen one", so you do not get included in such posts.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 19 2012 00:26 GMT
#1580
On July 19 2012 09:23 Probulous wrote:
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On July 19 2012 09:22 marvellosity wrote:
Katina, this game you are not a "chosen one", so you do not get included in such posts.


She is right though. She was the first on Palmar (a weak case but her intentions were clear). No need to bring her down.


You completely misunderstood the nature of my post. Vet circle agree that each other are town and credit each other for their reads, but do not include people they are suspicious of, etc. etc.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 19 2012 00:27 GMT
#1582
ninjad by Prob realising
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 19 2012 12:01 GMT
#1676
On July 19 2012 18:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright guys let’s talk rastaban. The first thing that caught my eye was, conveniently, his first post so let’s start there.
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On July 16 2012 23:32 rastaban wrote:
Caught up now, thoughts so far:

First off the random vote is a bad idea, normally the reason it is used is to eliminate mafia influence, but guess what the mafia don't know who each other are so this lynch will be without their influence anyway. We have a golden opportunity to have a lynch today with mafia having to base their judgments on reads, and make hard choices while not able to communicate. Fellow employees do not squander this opportunity!

This leads to my second point, Lynching scum doesn't put someone in the clear, especially this early in the game. They don't know who each other is so they can lynch themselves, so look for sound reasoning not just who they voted for.

@ HiroPro

Third yes mafia only has 1 KP see:
Extra Information:
The mafia kill process goes like this:
Every day, all mafia members except for the CEO send in a name on who they wish to kill. Then, the CEO must choose to kill one player on the list by the night deadline.


Fourth, While I think a Policy lynch on claiming blues is bad, I do think you bring up a very valid point. As you mention 1 for 1 may not be a bad trade for them so I think we should certainly be extra wary of any claimants and possibly lynch the claimant if it seems fishy, but I think a Policy is going a bit too far.

OK so thats my setup review / plans post, I am now working on locating scum so I will follow up in a bit with my thoughts on who to lynch.

This post is a whole lot of fluff. The game has been going on for a while when he makes this and there’s plenty to discuss however rastaban is more comfortable discussing the setup. This is a red flag, this type of post is something you make right after the game starts, not when the game has been going on and there are actual issues that can be addressed.

To continue with this theme we have posts like this:
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On July 17 2012 00:19 rastaban wrote:
Wait I just realized it said "one" of them in those posts. I had thought they sent out a message to all their followers at once, but it means instead of the above example, at most the high up, could tell one other person to try and save him. That means only 2 scum detractors at most from any lynch today


Again, it’s just talking about the setup instead of actually scumhunting.

Let’s look at the next two posts together:
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On July 17 2012 01:37 rastaban wrote:
@BH
What is this??? the only way someone could vote you is if they are scum, do you really believe you are that town?
Your latest post is so crazy I almost think it is a joke.


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On July 17 2012 03:54 rastaban wrote:
VE both games I have played with you you pushed someone incredibly hard day 1, why do you want to do a random lynch, cant you find any scum this time?


Both these posts serve no purpose. Does rastaban think either of these two are scummy? Who knows. He says that BH is so crazy he almost thinks it’s a joke but gives us no read. Similarly with VE, he mentions how VE’s behavior is different than what he’s observed but gives no read.

After a nice little wagon has built up on BH, rastaban finally feels confident calling for someone’s death:

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On July 17 2012 05:18 rastaban wrote:
I like the case on BH better than the on Mz right. I feel GGQ is right in his assessment that mafia will use the lack of ties to make them more bold in their case rather than second guessing. Look at my play as Serial Killer, I decided to try and play as pro town as possible, I ended up going overboard and tunneling risk.nuke in my effort. I feel like MZ's caution is the sign of town who wants to get things right rather than scum who wants to get the day over with. Think about it we still have more than 24 hours of discussion to go.

As others have also pointed out, he is also trying too hard to find reasons for his votes, it makes them seem fake.

##vote blazinghand


He like the case on BH better than the one on me but spends most of the post talking about something other than his reasons for voting BH.

Ultimately, rastaban’s vote seems like it is available to whichever candidate is currently the flavor of the hour:
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On July 17 2012 13:29 rastaban wrote:
Sylo also looks like a good target, and while his actions are Scummy I recommend the Ace method, when two people both look like scum start by lynching the player you have more content on. We can give Sylo till tomorrow to improve if need be, and lynch this scum BH he has so much content and it all points one way


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On July 18 2012 11:33 rastaban wrote:
I like the BH LYnch better but I could go for lymching Austin as well mainly because the only defense for him is it's so scummy scum wouldn't do it. I have mis-lynched gonzaw before and this case on him doesn't seem that strong. That said his reaction is quite different than in bang bang so I would take over a nolynch if we can't get BH or Austin stung up.


Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 12:32 rastaban wrote:
On July 18 2012 12:26 Mattchew wrote:
I think Gonzaw is overwhelmed (not enough time) and that very much plays into why his meta would seem off. His confidence seems to be gone without being able to be the most dominant (usually by sheer volume) poster in the thread. I think this is the first time I have ever seen this little filter out of him and I think this all stems from not having enough time. I think his reactions and posts are sincere and truthful

I see u are on MZ. Gonzaw and mh are our leading candidates and it looks like I agree to give gonzaw a bit more time. Will u switch to MH?


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On July 18 2012 12:57 rastaban wrote:
Sorry guys but I have to head to bed. I think the momentum is swinging back to BH so I will leave my vote where it is.


The last post really betrays rastaban’s strategy. He “agrees” with the every case that was brought up d1 however he sticks with BH because that’s where the momentum is. This just screams scum trying to fit in. He’s not going to argue hard for the BH lynch, he won’t stick his neck out by switching to another candidate but he’ll agree with the argument against that person just to be in agreement. Finally, he chooses to go with BH because it’s the one that seems the least controversial.

This may not be a very elegant post but it should get the point across and I need sleep. I’ll be happy to answer any questions when I wake up.

tl;dr rastaban needs to die at some point.


I'd like to give this some love. I started off reading it sceptically but at the end I was down with it. Meapak demonstrates in rastaban what I would classify as the classic mafia mindset in this setup - not rocking the boat, going with the flow, not drawing attention to yourself with dissent. rastaban this game is classic mafia.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 19 2012 12:19 GMT
#1679
Kurumi
rastaban
Foolishness
Zealos
VE


I want to kill these people
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 19 2012 12:40 GMT
#1681
ah yes. a vote

##Vote: Kurumi
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 19 2012 15:08 GMT
#1690
actually he did give a reason for that read, read his filter
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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