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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 20 2012 22:30 GMT
#2343
OMG syllo SAVED ME from VE's push that would CERTAINLY get me lynch instead of kurumi. I am thankful.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 20 2012 22:35 GMT
#2347
Btw I had already used my message, but I'm not sure protact delivered it yet. I'm waiting to see if the person claims otherwise I will have to buss all my 3 minions. Shit whatever shall I do next?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 20 2012 23:53 GMT
#2377
OMG VE that's the first smart thing you've said this game. You are improving, amazing!
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 21 2012 00:11 GMT
#2388
...
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 21 2012 00:20 GMT
#2400
I propose people that like to play mafia in intelligent, logical games join me in my new win condition. I don't care if you are mafia or not, you are welcome to join. We must eliminate all terrible irrational players from this game.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 21 2012 00:26 GMT
#2409
THE GUILTY:

1) VisceraEyes http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=117978

2) Blazinghand http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=133498

3) austinmcc http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=119148

4) GGQ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=38664

5) Q-bert-Z http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=223024

6) Bill Murray http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=54241

Here are the true scum of this game and the evidence against them. Join me in my crusade!
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 21 2012 00:31 GMT
#2411
(if you are mafia and are in that list please tell me so I can remove your name. if your name is foolishness or palmar and you are town please tell me so i can add you to the list.)
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 21 2012 00:33 GMT
#2413
(that list is not in any particular order of terribleness. no need to get jealous if you got a low spot)
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 21 2012 00:36 GMT
#2419
I don't care what you guys do I'm pursuing my own wincon.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 21 2012 00:39 GMT
#2423
I'm actually happy kurumi flipped town since we've eliminated one of the threats already. He even was kind enough to nuke RoL and murder yet another scum.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 22 2012 00:24 GMT
#2577
<3 you foolishness
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
August 03 2012 19:58 GMT
#4500
On August 04 2012 04:22 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 04:07 Qatol wrote:
On August 03 2012 03:38 Kurumi wrote:
On August 03 2012 03:24 Qatol wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:08 Kurumi wrote:
I couldn't claim the nuke by the way.

On August 03 2012 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Think of it this way Kurumi. If you hadn't shot RoL, then you could have used your nuke on one of the lynch candidates D1 when a no-lynch was imminent. OH GOSH AND THAT WOULD HAVE HIT SCUM 100% TOO!


I was sleeping during this time.
And I wouldn't be able to do it either, unless I went with current lynch candidate who was BH.

So don't claim it, and don't try to nuke anyone on day 1. I don't understand why you felt you had to nuke someone on day 1 anyways. With a 1 KP mafia, you should have felt relatively comfortable living until at least day 2.

Qatol, I was dead. I should die Day 1. I was the lynch target and then slipped because RoL nuked me(dud nuked).
There is nothing I could do different.

Then just don't nuke at all? Firing off a nuke with a 1 in 3 chance of hitting scum is still terrible, especially when it isn't a small list of players with a known number of mafia members on it. All you're doing then is 1) playing horribly enough to be a serious candidate for a day 1 lynch and 2) further punishing your side twice as often as not by killing another player of your alignment. Focus on making good posts so you are not lynched during day 1; don't just decide "oh I'm going to die, but I need to use my KP before I go!" when you have absolutely no idea about who would be a reasonable target for your kill.

There was definitely plenty you could have done differently.

There was one thing I could do differently:
Go serious mode and analyze the PM I get, then decide that it is a trap and I should probably say something about it.
I was dead after I forgot about lack of 3rd parties and decided to follow the PM. My play was irrelevant.

I wasn't Day 1 lynch candidate because of the Nuke, I was Day 1 candidate because I followed what sandroba told me to do in PM.

I originally was going to pm palmar, I even had sent out the message already, but due to host not being available to execute it when palmar was in the thread and you nuking a random person I changed it to you. What I'm saying is that had you optimized your actions in a pro-town manner, you would never been put in that situation to begin with.

I thought overall this setup really favors analysis, because of how lost mafia members are, their behavior is even more pronounced and easy to identify. I have no clue how to actually do well as mafia in this game, because I suck at it myself. I'm really curious as to why katina made that post though, which really blew my mind because she wasn't scum? Maybe some "stand up for my boyfriend" instinct? I would love if you could shed some light on that for me katina =)

Also I'm very curious about the mafia messages and if the hosts could post it I'd love to read them.

Overall I found the setup quite fun, but some of the stuff going on in the thread really annoyed me. First is the majority lynch and the deadline, the prior was already addressed and the latter was changed during the game. Second is the way some people go about this game, which really bothers me. The focus of the game should be winning and optimizing your actions and posts to actually achieve that purpose. It doesn't matter who gets the credit or who makes the call. What matters is that the right call is made. Also you should take into account every possibility, definitely, but you should go with and support the most likely one in thread, until evidence is presented to make you reconsider your stance. Going on and on about how someone COULD be mafia if the stars aligned and baby jesus wished it to be doesn't accomplish anything and can be said about almost anyone in the thread. It's okay to be wrong at first and support a mafia as long as you are open to change your mind should something come up, and you were given enough evidence that supporting that person is right. What's not okay is to not support a town person who is right on the off chance of them being mafia. By doing that you create every opening mafia needs to actually shut down the credibility of such person and camouflage amongst the paranoid townies. Third is people repeatedly signing up for games and not putting in the time to play it. Seriously, just don't sign up or ask for a replacement early.

I'd like to thank the hosts for the game, as always they created a really interesting setup.
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