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On July 18 2012 07:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 07:02 wherebugsgo wrote:On July 18 2012 07:00 marvellosity wrote:On July 18 2012 06:59 slOosh wrote:
Still mulling over this austin business, because it doesn't make much sense from either alignment:
Because for scum austin to boldly go against what pseudo confirmed town sandroba, he would have to have some payoff - why bother bringing so much attention to yourself? The way he focuses on sandroba's claim does look like paranoid conspiracy theorist - I cohosted LV and if memory serves he was making really elaborate (read totally wacky) speculations.
Unless it was an order from a higher up (which is hard to swallow since it means someone else who knows more decided this plan of action was worth it), I'm seeing a paranoid town. This post, this post, this post. austin has never rolled scum yet and yet he's supposed to be making this sort of play as his first time? I don't see or understand it So what? Your first scum game was LV, wasn't it? Acrofales's first game ever was GoT and he basically crushed town that game. My first scum game was MLP and I didn't have a hard time playing mafia. it was LIV, quickly followed by LV I don't understand your point. It's what slOosh says there - what's the payoff for going after sandroba and causing THIS discussion we're having now? Did austin really think he was going to get sandroba to claim to him and help scum or something? I don't think so. Your entire post (look! players who are good at scum without practice!) is effectively disproven by the fact that austin is close to getting lynched now for making a fucking dumbass play.
As town or scum he must have thought I could have claimed otherwise there is no point even posting that. Scum does make dumbass plays, that's a privilege of townies.
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EBOWP: that's not a privilege of just townies.
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On July 18 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
well, whatever. I just don't think austin would think he could get sandroba to out his role like that. I read that as misguided townie.
i read as scum the fact that he does jack shit all else.
He can't be both so either way you are wrong =P. Seriously now if you are going to argue something first form an useful opinion.
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On July 18 2012 08:35 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 06:59 slOosh wrote:
Still mulling over this austin business, because it doesn't make much sense from either alignment:
Because for scum austin to boldly go against what pseudo confirmed town sandroba, he would have to have some payoff - why bother bringing so much attention to yourself? The way he focuses on sandroba's claim does look like paranoid conspiracy theorist - I cohosted LV and if memory serves he was making really elaborate (read totally wacky) speculations.
Unless it was an order from a higher up (which is hard to swallow since it means someone else who knows more decided this plan of action was worth it), I'm seeing a paranoid town. I agree with this. I fail to see how Austin's action further a scum agenda at all. It is a distraction yes, but he seems to believe his bullshit. As mentioned he has a history of doing of this. Bugs, you pointed out that in LV he was looking at other targets which is true, but if that is the entire case against him, he won't get my vote. Supersoft, you've made a great case about how his play is bad but not how it pushes a scum agenda. Why is austin doing this? Sandroba is never going to get lynched today. This situation reminds me of the VE/marv situation in Movie Star Mini Mafia. Austin may be scum but he may also be paranoid town. Syllo does not seem to be our lynch today. There are too many senior players not voting for him, so I will unvote. I still don't like his play but if town thinks he should be given time, then so be it. It's consolidation time. ##unvote@Palmar, you made a point that mafia players will be self-centered in this setup and that would make them focused on survival. How is this any different than a townie? I for one don't plan on getting lynched because that would be a misslynch. So if I was a target, I would also be focused on survival. Can you explain your point again?
Austin never pushed for my lynch. He pushed for my role. He is concerned if my ability is one-shot or multiple use. What here is not mafia agenda? Where is the town agenda in that? How does me claiming any of these options help him figure out my alignment?
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On July 18 2012 09:09 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 08:47 sandroba wrote:On July 18 2012 08:35 Probulous wrote:On July 18 2012 06:59 slOosh wrote:
Still mulling over this austin business, because it doesn't make much sense from either alignment:
Because for scum austin to boldly go against what pseudo confirmed town sandroba, he would have to have some payoff - why bother bringing so much attention to yourself? The way he focuses on sandroba's claim does look like paranoid conspiracy theorist - I cohosted LV and if memory serves he was making really elaborate (read totally wacky) speculations.
Unless it was an order from a higher up (which is hard to swallow since it means someone else who knows more decided this plan of action was worth it), I'm seeing a paranoid town. I agree with this. I fail to see how Austin's action further a scum agenda at all. It is a distraction yes, but he seems to believe his bullshit. As mentioned he has a history of doing of this. Bugs, you pointed out that in LV he was looking at other targets which is true, but if that is the entire case against him, he won't get my vote. Supersoft, you've made a great case about how his play is bad but not how it pushes a scum agenda. Why is austin doing this? Sandroba is never going to get lynched today. This situation reminds me of the VE/marv situation in Movie Star Mini Mafia. Austin may be scum but he may also be paranoid town. Syllo does not seem to be our lynch today. There are too many senior players not voting for him, so I will unvote. I still don't like his play but if town thinks he should be given time, then so be it. It's consolidation time. ##unvote@Palmar, you made a point that mafia players will be self-centered in this setup and that would make them focused on survival. How is this any different than a townie? I for one don't plan on getting lynched because that would be a misslynch. So if I was a target, I would also be focused on survival. Can you explain your point again? Austin never pushed for my lynch. He pushed for my role. He is concerned if my ability is one-shot or multiple use. What here is not mafia agenda? Where is the town agenda in that? How does me claiming any of these options help him figure out my alignment? I agree there is no town agenda. It is bad bad play. You yourself realise that you are likely to die overnight, so what use does your role provide mafia? I mean they know you can send messages now so anything coming from you would be disregarded right. If messages don't come directly from you then they cannot know whether something is from you or not which provides even more incentive to shoot you. As you pointed out they have to be wary of messages in general now because they know they can be faked. You even mentioned that there might be other people with a similar role. So my point is, what does mafia gain from knowing your role?
Just read what he said. It's basically your ability must be one-shot otherwise it's broken, thus you must be scum. If I claim my ability is one shot scum can not worry about it anymore. If I claim it's multi use they have to figure a way of making sure the msg they are getting are indeed from their superiors. So yeah every mafia member would love to know exactly what they are dealing with here.
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On July 18 2012 09:18 HiroPro wrote:
Wouldn't mafia want to kill you regardless of whether your ability is one-shot or not though, sandroba?
Yes, but mafia is not a single minded entity this game. Surely a minion wonders if the msg he receives today or tonight is trust worthy or not.
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On July 18 2012 09:24 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 09:18 HiroPro wrote:
Wouldn't mafia want to kill you regardless of whether your ability is one-shot or not though, sandroba? In addition to this, why would they NOT want to make sure their messages are from their superiors if your ability is only one shot? Like you said, there may be more than one of your role. I get that the info provides a little certainty for mafia but in reality, it isn't much. Basically if austin is mafia he has sacrificed himself to ensure that his fellow scum members can safely receive messages tonight knowing their might be other ways that they are sabotaged? Reckless doesn't even begin to describe that behaviour. I'll be here are lynch time, so if it comes down to a choice between Austin, BH and MZ, I will change my vote, but right now I think Gonzaw is a better lynch.
Probulous, I'll give you something, gonzaw does seem mafia this game. That post you quoted of his vote on austin. Think about it from a mafia perspective: you don't know if the guy you are voting for is mafia or town. You can't bus it hard since it may look bad if he flips green (inherent guilt), but you can't really be off the wagon that ends up lynching a mafia if that seems like it will happen regardless. Gonzaw's post does seem to reflect this state of mind.
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Too many scum this game. Must decide on one. Unless you can present a very good reason why gonzaw is not scum vote gonzaw. This game has 9 mafia right now and it's majority lynch so everyone needs to get behind the same lynch, not propose multiple ones. I'm sure a fair bit of you are right about your suspicions, but we must get behind one lynch to make sure it happens. I'm willing to let go of my suspects for now to get Gonzaw lynched and so must you.
##Vote Gonzaw
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You must realize that the town is kinda split regarding BH and austin and it doesn't look like we gonna reach a consensus on this matter today. However Gonzaw has a fucking solid chance of flipping scum and I don't believe anyone can argue to the contrary. Let's kill this dude now go vote for him.
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@Blazinghand Here is the sum of what has been said about gonzaw and why I believe he is a solid lynch.
On July 18 2012 09:16 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 08:31 gonzaw wrote:
About austin:
I don't get why he's obsessing so much with sandro's role. I'd understand having that first suspicion if he actually believed something was wrong (like in that post I mentioned), but he spent posts and posts and posts dealing with sandro's claim and ability and it clogged up the thread too much.
I don't get why he'd do that as town, specially since his doubts of sandro's claim were dealt with by other people, he didn't need to keep cluttering things up with it.
There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town.
I'm not that confident in lynching him, but I think he has more chances of flipping scum than BH.
##Unvote: Foolishness
##Vote: austin
I don't see MZ being scum after skimming his filter.
Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/
After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly
In case you were wondering why I singled out this post, I'll explain it to you. The first bit Gonzaw explains he is confused by poor austin's behaviour. It just doesn't make sense from a town point of view but damn it is cluttering up this thread that is so hard to read. But it is alight, there are some small things that make him "unconfident" that austin is scum (like WTF?), so he doesn't think he is scum. But hey why not lynch him, right? Honestly can someone explain this sentence to me? Show nested quote +There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town. Everything about it says Austin is town but he straight up votes for him? This is not townie Gonzaw.
On July 18 2012 09:30 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 09:24 Probulous wrote:On July 18 2012 09:18 HiroPro wrote:
Wouldn't mafia want to kill you regardless of whether your ability is one-shot or not though, sandroba? In addition to this, why would they NOT want to make sure their messages are from their superiors if your ability is only one shot? Like you said, there may be more than one of your role. I get that the info provides a little certainty for mafia but in reality, it isn't much. Basically if austin is mafia he has sacrificed himself to ensure that his fellow scum members can safely receive messages tonight knowing their might be other ways that they are sabotaged? Reckless doesn't even begin to describe that behaviour. I'll be here are lynch time, so if it comes down to a choice between Austin, BH and MZ, I will change my vote, but right now I think Gonzaw is a better lynch. Probulous, I'll give you something, gonzaw does seem mafia this game. That post you quoted of his vote on austin. Think about it from a mafia perspective: you don't know if the guy you are voting for is mafia or town. You can't bus it hard since it may look bad if he flips green (inherent guilt), but you can't really be off the wagon that ends up lynching a mafia if that seems like it will happen regardless. Gonzaw's post does seem to reflect this state of mind.
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I'm still here. I will change my vote to the leading candidate np. Lynch is in one hour right?
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Really this game is just weird. I don't understand why on earth someone would oppose the lynching of gonzaw. W/e I'm just going to roll with it.
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On July 18 2012 13:49 Bill Murray wrote:
1) I haven't seen BH's posting at all - I am not caught up - it was a ploy
2) I HAVE seen Gonzaw make excuses
I don't like excuses
BM really if you fuck this up and we end up with no lynch I'm gonna be srsly pissed off.
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Just saying that if kurumi flips town I might rage quit this game.
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It's like impossible for town to make anything happen with so much scum in this game and majority lynch. I hope you guys have plenty of bullets.
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On July 18 2012 14:02 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 13:59 sandroba wrote:
Just saying that if kurumi flips town I might rage quit this game. what do you make of BH thinking he was dead's posts
Don't make anything of it. All it took was one person to get doubts and unvote for him to be saved. And actually he was safe all the time at 13. So yeah doesn't mean he is town and that's why I didn't unvote. Still would have liked for him to be lynched.
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On July 18 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Actually honestly there's no excuse for no lynch here.
##unvote
##vote blazinghand
That's past the deadline. Nice try though.
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RAAAAGE. Really RoL, you didn't even tell us it was a dud. Srsly.
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On July 18 2012 14:25 Foolishness wrote:
God dammit I was playing league of legends then had to step out quickly. What the heck happened
Basically your team probably won the game. Gratz.
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