EPThe's posted a fair amount but shows a bizarre disengagement with the thread
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On July 17 2012 10:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: well shit things got interesting. No one has commented on my rastaban case yet :/. Also Chez edited: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=30#589 Cmon Meapak, you're better than that | ||
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you're obviously not particularly confident in your read on him if you wrote what you wrote anyway. if you're fairly confident he's scum then you have no reason to believe he wouldn't try to mislead town if he lived. aren't you really saying you think he's scummy but you wanna give him a 2nd chance? | ||
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yeah i got that. putting something in caps that you already said doesn't make it go in my head twice. I'm not asking why you don't want to lynch him today, I'm questioning your line of thinking that someone you believe to be scum would help us find scum. | ||
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how does one find scum scummily? | ||
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read my filter from before and then after the first time Foolishness said the nuke should have been launched at me instead | ||
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two scenarios 1) townie marv feels slightly as Foolishness, grand pooh-bear of all things who he's never played with before, seems to randomly think he's scum and gets pissed off and indifferent for a while 2) scum marv gets scared by Foolishness and decides to disprove Foolishness' theory by lurking and posting indifferently because that's so super townie you decide, not conversing with you after this about it | ||
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On July 17 2012 19:55 Zealos wrote: I've used that logic on myself several times as town. I also feel like we might have overtunneled BH for a few fairly weak reasons and given the mafia players an easy free lynch. ... which reasons are weak? Who would you prefer? | ||
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syllogism because despite being called out, he fails to subsequently do something. There's pitter patter about whether the nukes are real (?) and whining at Foolishness but that's about it. What gets me a little is that I don't quite get why a scum syllo wouldn't at least try to provide something for the thread BlazingHand is now looking like a decent lynch too. wbg's grilling of him reminded me extremely heavily of how I like to pressure someone I find suspect to gauge their reactions. I don't mind THAT much the reflexive *block* on its own. But BH seems to tie himself up in knots regarding how he views (or doesn't) Chezinu. For this he sounds like a squirmy scum. I also like the thrust of the tonality argument against him. Regarding layabout I keep hoping he'll pop up and actually post some shit. Actually I don't mind at all that he was quizzical about how sandroba played his card, what I do mind is that it's not surrounded or supported by anything else. As a sidenote, I found it really odd that Foolishness was sure originally a scum Palmar wouldn't suggest no-lynch (disproved by gonzaw). I often have a go at people for them trying to say how scum would or wouldn't act (Zentor is an easy example), but... Foolishness isn't Zentor. Dunno where I'm going with this. | ||
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On July 17 2012 21:28 syllogism wrote: What do you mean I fail to do something? Not only I had done more than the vast majority of players before "being called out", I've done things since that. In case it's not clear, I'm saying that foolishness isn't just wrong, but wrong in manner that is likely malicious; i.e. he is mafia. It is not "whining" at all. It's probably not optimal to lynch him today as I'm not entirely confident in my read as I may be somewhat biased due to knowing my alignment. Look at what foolishness has done so far besides tunnelling me based on a very weak case. He keeps ignoring other subjects of interest until he is poked about them and the few reads he has shared besides me are even worse supported. He initially thought palmar was town for suggesting random lynch and when presented evidence that disproved that, he didn't really re-evaluate, but justified his "town read" by claiming palmar's average post length is how you determine whether he is town or mafia. In liar game Foolishness correctly identified palmar as mafia, but not even once used that as even supporting evidence for his read in that game. Furthermore, look at what he says here It doesn't even make sense; he says palmar posts are longer when he is mafia but then says as town his filter will be longer. I suppose the implication here is that town palmar posts are shorter but he is spammier, but palmar hasn't posted much yet in this game. Futhermore, why is he ignoring the content of palmar's posts and instead focuses on this laughable palmar "scum tell", which of course won't even be accurate in this game after he publicly announces that. He basically wants to give palmar a pass until day 3 and then use this laughable method to determine his alignment. The pattern in foolishness posting so far in this game is that his reasoning has been uncharacteristically weak. No it wasn't clear and I find your post quite interesting. What do you think of Katina saying Foolishness was scum earlier in the game and later apparently totally reversing it, saying she liked his post on you? | ||
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Little things: On July 17 2012 06:42 HiroPro wrote: No I don't believe this. The directors can only "send orders to one minion every half cycle." Quite willing to quote the OP when he's disproving someone else's point, but On July 16 2012 22:10 HiroPro wrote: The way I see it is in this setup, even if mafia has only 1 KP (and I would think 2 is more likely), 1 for 1 trades are good for them due to the sheer number of people they have. hasn't read it enough to know mafia KP is set at 1 from the OP as well. His behaviour with the random nuke thingy is bad as well. HiroPro is not Chezinu so I do not know why he was 'joking around' with pretending to nuke BH. I see no town motivation for this but the scum motivation of causing confusion and pulling out a town block is clear enough (lol jokes! isn't a defence). On July 17 2012 01:56 HiroPro wrote: Yes. I waited for BH to respond to Probulous/sandroba and he's acted scummy in his response. Says he holds his vote all the time ---> places a vote 11 hours into Day 1 on the back of sandroba saying BH is 'artificial'. BlazingHand things: I remember reading scumQT in Magic mini where Hiro said he was basically just going to tunnel Navillus. Anyway, at first he seems unsure what's scummy about BH: On July 16 2012 22:12 HiroPro wrote: What about BH? Is it that he's basically disregarded Probulous's questioning? But once sandroba calls him scum, Hiro is all over it. On July 17 2012 01:38 HiroPro wrote: I agree with sandroba: BH's posting looks very artificial. His reasoning for ignoring Probulous doesn't make sense: Probulous's question is not invalid just because BH switched targets. And his logic for thinking that sandroba/syllo are scum is laughable. ##Vote Blazinghand Regarding the bold, here and in the posts below I bold some of the reasoning for Hiro's vote. A lot of it seems to be of the thrust that BH is illogical, without ever explaining why illogical has to mean scummy. So in the post above we have "doesn't make sense" and "laughable". On July 17 2012 02:07 HiroPro wrote: It's not my case -_- But BH voted strangely in his switch from Chezinu to MZ (the position that he took on Chezinu was pretty much a pressure to get him to change his style yet when MZ did something very similar, BH considers it scummy (yes I see the FoS without calling scum thing, I don't consider it very strong at all: I don't think anyone is arguing that Chezinu is scum - more that his playstyle is good for scum and bad for town)). He ignored Probulous for an illogical reason. And the way in which he's posting makes it seem as if he's coming up with reasons for his actions after he actually does them. I don't have a strong read on MZ. He seems to be sincere in his dislike of the way Chezinu/q-bert are playing but it's a position that is fairly easy for scum to take too. Voting strangely... illogical reason. There's no explanation of the scum agenda. Same with "makes it seem as if he's coming up with reasons for his actions after he actually does them" - why is this a scumtell? Is it not true that mafia will give their posts more thought at the time rather than just posting blather and having to make up shit to excuse it later? Also for everything he actually stresses in this post "it's not my case". This seems like a weak sidestepping of responsibility. In short I don't like his given reasoning for going after BH, he doesn't try to demonstrate any scummy agenda. I asked wbg how you scumhunt scummily, and this is it. | ||
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