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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 12:57 GMT
#3532
I mean, slOosh is not a bad player
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 13:08 GMT
#3535
On July 26 2012 22:01 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2012 21:57 marvellosity wrote:
On July 26 2012 21:55 syllogism wrote:
On July 26 2012 21:47 marvellosity wrote:
On July 26 2012 18:35 syllogism wrote:
I'm up for lynching sloosh instead. Nothing about his claim is believable and by this point I think he is more likely to flip mafia than gonzaw


could you elaborate on this syllo? I'm still struggling with it. I can't think of a good enough reason he'd fakeclaim there to satisfy me that's what he did

There doesn't have to be a good reason other than poor play. The role does not make sense and his in thread actions do not match the claim.


Yeah, I totally agree with you his in-thread actions did not match up to a shot on Foolishness. But why bring attention to himself with the claim??

He was going to get some attention anyway due to his defense of foolishness. Obviously the intend of the claim was to earn town cred and clearly it's working because even with all these issues with the claim, not just the role itself, you don't think he is mafia. It's certainly possible that he isn't, but it's far more likely that he is. Again, bad claims frequently happen and you can always make that same argument.


Yeah, ok, this makes sense to me. Yesterday I was chatting to GMarshal about how I let a scum off the hook (normal mini II) because he was suicidally aggressive towards me which I read as town, and it was senseless to do so as scum... it was gently pointed out to me that it was exactly the point to make me think he was town. Now I can understand what motivation slOosh might have had as scum to fakeclaim there.

I'll go over slOosh's filter again today. I tried before but I found it extremely dense. My general impression was that (apart from Foolish stuff) he was somewhat disconnected/disengaged from actual goings-on in the thread. Need to flesh it out.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 16:03 GMT
#3548
2 posts and yet no ##nuke

hrrrrrrrrr
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 17:43 GMT
#3596
syllo, wana lynch supersoft?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 19:23 GMT
#3641
On July 27 2012 04:22 syllogism wrote:
I think we should probably believe meapak and lynch sloosh, although I'm quite convinced Gonzaw is mafia as well.


we already know sloosh is scum, mole or otherwise

how is this new information?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 19:27 GMT
#3647
this is terribly confusing.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 19:28 GMT
#3652
austin, i think you're missing the line break

fine, let's do it

##Unvote
##vote: slOosh


[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 19:31 GMT
#3655
hiro, there's definitely something weird going on but I've just finished working out and so my brain isn't functioning.

thankfully i think lynching slOosh is a safe play either way

what are you thinking about the situation?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 20:27 GMT
#3689
it's a good job i'm not high or something right now or this'd be getting really fking weird :p

fortunately lynch-time is quite close.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 22:06 GMT
#3715
Probulous - what game was it you were referring to that gonzaw went ape-shit when you accused him of being mafia?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 22:13 GMT
#3719
mmhmm, for now there's not a lot of point in speculating about anything slOosh wrote/posted until he flips
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 22:29 GMT
#3724
dunno whether to believe it. I mean, is it Kansas or Mauritius? These things make a difference
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 22:30 GMT
#3726
oh yeah.

has anyone kept up with who actually followed through with the nuke request? scumlist right there
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 22:33 GMT
#3729
wrong way round sweetie <3
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 22:41 GMT
#3740
we're going to get our 5th mafia in a row guys, cmon!

VE ignore supersoft. I already got warned because he was unnecessary. No point you joining me
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 22:44 GMT
#3743
austin, what part of "we'll discuss it after the flip" did you not grasp?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 23:14 GMT
#3759
On July 27 2012 07:44 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Probulous - what game was it you were referring to that gonzaw went ape-shit when you accused him of being mafia?


My very first game. I think it was Student Mafia or something. It is in my profile.

Still reading


That was quite the read. Many fucks were slung. Now to compare with not themed!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 23:23 GMT
#3765
risk has done it too (not sure he used the word 'chaotic'). There were also a couple of people actually discussing it reasonably early day 1. Too early for PMs?

Just read some of not themed. gonzaw's level of aggression and swearing seems more akin to his mafia defence than his town defence.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 23:34 GMT
#3767
Probey, fairly early day 1, so not sure how relevant:

On July 16 2012 15:09 Q-bert-Z wrote:
Walton, are you the Batman?

Rest of you: Mafia have an advantage in numbers. We need to find a way to use this against them. They also have a disadvantage in communication, and we need to make sure we exploit that as much as possible.

A few ideas coming to mind: Large numbers will make it slightly easier to lynch a mafia, as long as we can keep communication to a minimum with them. They can only send one message a day, so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.

Remember, they can't organize and respond to lynches effectively like a normal mafia.


On July 16 2012 15:16 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote EchelonTee

I wonder if this works...

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On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:
When you say
so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.


What exactly do you mean?


Chaos

in order of course...

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On July 16 2012 15:09 Q-bert-Z wrote:
Walton, are you the Batman?


No, I'm a fellow employee whom's job is to instruct you on your articulation skills. The content of the matter is quite meaningless to me. I just need to make sure to follow orders first and complete my job second.




On July 16 2012 15:33 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:25 Probulous wrote:
On July 16 2012 15:16 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote EchelonTee

I wonder if this works...

On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:
When you say
so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.


What exactly do you mean?


Chaos


they are in the same boat as us right now.


uhz they are.. yeah... what if they blame us for the PCP??? Throw it over board now!!!


Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:25 Probulous wrote:
On July 16 2012 15:16 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote EchelonTee

I wonder if this works...

On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:
When you say
so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.


What exactly do you mean?


Chaos


Why would a chaotic environment help? Surely the opposite, where people are clear about who they think is scum and why, is much better for finding inconsistencies.

Qbert, can you explain your thoughts please?


Not pure Chaos... seemingly chaotic.. chaos for the mafia but order for the town. finding the right balance is quite an art form. You see... there really is no chaos.... it's just a very very complex event that can't be comprehended easily. The trick is to learn complex order so that the illusion of chaos is eliminated. let me give you an illustration to portray my point.. Let's discuss gray issues.. some people believe they exist and that not everything is black and white. Well, I say it's their perception that need some tinkering.

[image loading]


Ctrl+Scroll to find the answer you are looking for..


On July 16 2012 22:17 austinmcc wrote:
Ummmm, did nobody read iGrok's game?
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On June 11 2012 18:19 Palmar wrote:
Supporting an RNG lynch is not a bad idea. It's a net gain for town, as long as you settle the target early enough. It will actually help a lot trying to figure out what really is going on in the game. It creates an unusual situation that most people aren't sure how to react to, and it's in an unstable environment it's easiest to catch mafia. The point is that you can't really explain that in the thread (hence why I didn't) because as soon as everyone realizes you're meant to argue about whether you actually follow through with the random lynch, instead of just executing it, everyone will start thinking about it like a normal case based on analysis, and the advantage will have been lost.

I'm hoping some of you remember this for future games, I've yet to successfully push through the idea of a RL because of it's inherent flaw that you can't explain it. It's like why arguing about LAL is dumb as shit. As soon as you argue about it, you've given people an excuse to lie. You just shut your stupid face and say that it's a 100% solid policy and liars WILL be lynched, while secretly keeping yourself in check and being ready to go against that position.

Anyway, enough about how to play mafia.
The %s may be higher here, but a random lynch still isn't anything but a discussion-generator. That game was 2 scum 1 SK 8 town, 3/11 or 27% chance to hit non-town on a random lynch. This is 9/27, 33% chance. Not higher enough to really matter.

I like the discussion of causing chaos to mess with mafia, to some extent. Just like with the Sleeper Cell games, this isn't normal mafia. Town have the numbers advantage, and, for now, are more or less on even footing information-wise. Scum don't have an advantage UNTIL they get organized. Some forms of being chaotic would be equally harmful to both factions, other forms would be more harmful to town (higher numbers).

However, I don't support trying to cause chaos, because we don't know (and can't know) when mafia will get organized. We can speculate all we want about how many cycles it could take, and how each of us would communicate with mafia underlings were we CEO (see sleeper cell...II? for message speculation), but, especially given the vague comments about censoring messages made by hosts, we just don't know whether mafia can get fully organized, or how long that would take. At some point, IF they can organize, any chaos we cause only hurts town and no longer hurts mafia. Not good.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2012 23:47 GMT
#3774
i don't think they would.
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