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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 20 2012 22:49 GMT
#2350
On July 21 2012 07:30 sandroba wrote:
OMG syllo SAVED ME from VE's push that would CERTAINLY get me lynch instead of kurumi. I am thankful.

lol, your funny! Its the same reason I've voting for you! boy that guy is SILLY!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 20 2012 22:52 GMT
#2351
On July 21 2012 07:37 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 07:31 supersoft wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:30 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:30 supersoft wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:28 austinmcc wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
I want to eliminate Executives. I think Sandroba is the Director of Marketing or the Chairman of the Board.

And Austinmcc isn't bad. He's paranoid, and now I am too.


+ Show Spoiler +
hatshatshatshatshatshatshatshatshatshatshats!hats!hats!


why do you guys even want to eleminate executives. I thought they have no powers?!


They have the best powers, communication


If they die, someone else will take their spot, no?


no. you're right

"@Syllo- Current format is everyone sends in their choice to hosts by days end and CEO picks one from the list. Might tweak this a bit. If CEO dies, the decision power will go to one of the executives (in a certain order). If all 3 executives die, one or two minions may have the power to decide..If all possible decision makers die, it will be made by vote with priority on popularity and then who sent it in first. If anyone has suggestions for this feel free."

seems like the communicationpower won't switch to someone else. cool.


how do you know this? Where does it say that in the rules? Do you gotz extra info?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 20 2012 22:57 GMT
#2353
On July 21 2012 07:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Uh oh...Chez you naughty boy did you not read the OP or subsequent player questions?

For shame. And to think, you were on the list of potentials for promotion. *tsktsk*

Just search my post and you will find that I don't read the rules of the game until I'm in it typically. Skimming it now but don't see it. Wait a minute.. how did you know this information?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 20 2012 22:59 GMT
#2355
On July 06 2012 09:28 Protactinium wrote:
Semi updated signup list (with those that I know). Will figure out the rest when Incognito is here. I don't think either of us have been active enough lately to follow games. If you are a newer player and want to get in feel free to send a pm stating your experiences so far and why.

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 16:51 Oberyn wrote:
If the Chairman of the Board dies, does the CEO communicate directly with his Minions?
Also, what are the exact restrictions on their communications? They can't communicate downwards names of fellow mafia (the Chairman can't tell each Minion the identity of their "brothers"), but they can state names of townies and stuff right? Is there a limit with that as well? Since if one mentions a lot of townies, they will find out who their buddies are by process of elimination


I may join after I finish all my tests (if this is still in the signup phase), which will be by Thursday.


Also, I wonder what would happen if the CEO's orders contradict that of what the Chairman (for instance) knows?
Like the CEO tells him "try to get player X killed", but player X is one of the Chairman's minions or something


Not 100% on this atm but currently the rule is they can't give absolute statements, just orders. i,e no 'players x y z are not mafia, get them killed,' just, 'harass player x.' If they are blatant about trying to give out teammates then they'll be censored. Given enough time executives might figure out ways to smuggle information past the censors but it won't be without risk. There may be other mechanics in place to interfere with such play if it is tried.

There are redundancy factors in place for communication once someone dies but they will be less than normal. In normal games the town wants to prioritize certain mafia to eliminate powers (especially in PYP games) or reduce kp. As eliminating mafia will not reduce kp here, the focus should be geared at disrupting communication by removing the executives.


Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 10:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Will those at the top of the scum hierarchy know the powers of those at the bottom?


They will know what exists, not who has what.
.
@Syllo- Current format is everyone sends in their choice to hosts by days end and CEO picks one from the list. Might tweak this a bit. If CEO dies, the decision power will go to one of the executives (in a certain order). If all 3 executives die, one or two minions may have the power to decide..If all possible decision makers die, it will be made by vote with priority on popularity and then who sent it in first. If anyone has suggestions for this feel free.

ok, I found it...
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 00:06 GMT
#2383
Yay! now mafia can kill sand instead of me!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 00:07 GMT
#2384
On July 21 2012 08:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 08:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 21 2012 08:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
On July 21 2012 08:35 Katina wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:16 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm crazy! I'll do it!

##unvote
##vote: sandroba

Okay, really?

Anyone who says this guy shouldn't be our D3 lynch should seriously consider going back to some newbie games... He knows he's Mafia. He's only doing this because he's so obviously guilty.


I'm inclined to agree, but I REALLY REALLY want to lynch Executives. This inter-office communication bullshit is gonna continue to be convoluted and confusing.

Katina, do you think I'm insane for thinking sandroba is scum? If so, please tell me nicely.


Look, I think it's pretty clear what's gonna happen. Either Kurumi flips scum and we lynch zealos tomorrow, or Kurumi flips town and we lynch Sandro tomorrow. I don't see how it could possibly be optimal to lynch me tomorrow.


WHY?! WHY WHEN I COME UP WITH THIS CRAZY SHIT DOES NOONE HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M DOING WRONG RATHER THAN JUST CALL ME CRAZY OR STUPID OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH?!

I'm not stupid guys, but obviously I'm missing something if I'm completely wrong here...I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS.

Something in my thought-process is wrong, because the way it looks to me, Sandroba is like OBVIOUSLY scum. So what is it?! WHY am I being ridiculous thinking that Sand is scum?

Wait wait.

Wait.

Chezinu is pretty much claiming "Director of Communication". DIRECTOR of Communication. So his boss would naturally be "Chairman of the Board [of Directors]".

EZPZ.

I'll see you guys bright and early in the morning. First one here might just get a prize!

remember the bank!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 00:11 GMT
#2387
1. layabout
2. Sloosh
3. Sandroba
4. Probulous
5. HiroPro
6. Foolishness
7. VisceraEyes
8. Bill Murray
9. Gonzaw
10. Meapak_Ziphh
11. Supersoft
12. austinmcc
14. Katina
15. syllogism
16. GGQ
17. Blazinghand
18. Chezinu
19. Kurumi
20. rastaban
21. Mattchew
22. marvellosity
23. risk.nuke
24. Q-bert-Z
26. Palmas
27. Zealos

its nice to have plenty of confirmed town this game. takes the target off your back and puts it on others!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 00:12 GMT
#2389
ok 1% we must take over town and obtain revenge for kurumi!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 00:13 GMT
#2393
Kurumi said he wasn't mafia
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 00:17 GMT
#2396
On July 21 2012 09:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
I like grapes. Do you want to buy a kitty?

I wouldn't try trading before at night.. you know what happen to the last person that did that don't you?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 00:20 GMT
#2402
The CEO will most likely choose from two suggested hits. The suggested hit by the chairman of the board or the chairman of marketing. If you are on the good side of both of these, you want have to suffer the chance of getting killed. If both the chairman of marketing and chairman of the board choose the same person.. then that person is going to die..
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 00:23 GMT
#2404
On July 21 2012 09:20 sandroba wrote:
I propose people that like to play mafia in intelligent, logical games join me in my new win condition. I don't care if you are mafia or not, you are welcome to join. We must eliminate all terrible irrational players from this game.

Sign me up! the bandwagon on kurumi was stupid! I asked people repeated why they are voting for him. I even stated that the best move for mafia would be not to kill him. looks like we got a good mafia CEO. go go foolishness? who else is smart but distant? cause I can't accuse people too close to me or I might die... So, Let's end the irrationality!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 00:24 GMT
#2405
On July 21 2012 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
The CEO likely doesn't know who picked what Chez. He probably gets a list and is made to choose one from the list, as it says in (under) the OP.

I'm in the "Lynch Foolishness" camp tomorrow.

oh wow! you were thinking the fool too!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 00:25 GMT
#2407
Congratulations my minions, soon yes soon. The blues will die... and the brown will emerge!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 03:38 GMT
#2437
Dear minions,

After tonight, I just want you to know that you should try to our CEO. Think about. Yes odd isn't it. But Think. If we kill our CEO, we will become stronger than we are now. Imagine the CEO's ability to chose the hit in the hands of a chairman. A chairman is far more powerful than a COE. For a chairman at least knows half of our team. As the obvious town are soon to be eliminated, it is now more important that ever to try and over through our CEO. The CEO will kill you in a thought that you are town. You see, the CEO doesn't know us. he doesn't know the people. We should create a company where the leader at least knows half the of core of the company. Yes the CORE! We chosen few of red shall fight to maintain our stance with a leader that understands us. That is why I propose to you today to Rebel! Revolt and Rebuild! a better future!


Rebel! Revolt and Rebuild!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 03:54 GMT
#2441
1. layabout
2. Sloosh
3. Sandroba
4. Probulous?
5. HiroPro
6. Foolishness
7. VisceraEyes
8. Bill Murray
9. Gonzaw
10. Meapak_Ziphh
11. Supersoft
12. austinmcc
14. Katina
15. syllogism
16. GGQ
17. Blazinghand
18. Chezinu
20. rastaban
21. Mattchew
22. marvellosity
23. risk.nuke
24. Q-bert-Z
26. Palmas
27. Zealos



suspect list, 9 are mafia.

14. Katina - pants on head... why in the world would mafia do this?
24. Q-bert-Z -immuned to lynch

that leaves 17..

1. layabout
2. Sloosh
5. HiroPro
6. Foolishness
8. Bill Murray
9. Gonzaw
10. Meapak_Ziphh
11. Supersoft
12. austinmcc
15. syllogism
16. GGQ
17. Blazinghand
20. rastaban
21. Mattchew
23. risk.nuke
26. Palmas
27. Zealos

soo 9/17...now everyone take this list and cross out your name if your town and who you believe is town with you! ok we going to make progress this time cause we are going to take Chez'z advice, am I rightz?

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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 04:11 GMT
#2443
On July 21 2012 12:56 Katina wrote:
I thought so

come on... you suppose to listen to me cause I'm the boss. And you wonder why you have no authority!

look.. this is how you do it. You copy the list and make the names full of color. The best method is to color each name a full color. unless you are very confused. In this case I asked you to color the green and blue ones. Let's say I asked you to color the red ones. You do something like this:


1. layabout
2. Sloosh
5. HiroPro
6. Foolishness
8. Bill Murray
9. Gonzaw
10. Meapak_Ziphh
11. Supersoft
12. austinmcc
15. syllogism
16. GGQ
17. Blazinghand
20. rastaban
21. Mattchew
23. risk.nuke
26. Palmas
27. Zealos


ok, you got it. Now gogogo!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 12:45 GMT
#2456
On July 21 2012 15:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh he left himself myself and Probulous off there too.

Chezinu, what good is copy-pasting the list AFTER your reads? Any of you, marvellosity or Probulous from my perspective regardless of my read of any of you...so why would I copy/paste the list after you removed your reads?

Yes, you will be defeated. But you're a lowly underling. You have powers. Tell me who you work for madman!

I work for No One!

+ Show Spoiler +
That sounded like a really cool response
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 20:05 GMT
#2516
On July 22 2012 03:01 supersoft wrote:
Town-vets&
26. Palmar town
3. Sandroba town
11. Supersoft town

???-Vets&
6. Foolishness
10. Meapak_Ziphh
16. GGQ
7. VisceraEyes
15. syllogism

Troll
8. Bill Murray
18. Chezinu

dead
25. RebirthofLegend town
19. Kurumi town
13. Wherebugsgo town


yes you do VE.
I devided the playerlist in two parts. in these parts in another 3 parts *4 parts for this part. because 3 of this list are already dead.
There were 13 players on that list. That means about 4 of them are scum. 3 of them are dead and one of them is me.
1 is sandroba and 1 is palmar. 2 of them are troll i cannot possibly read because they never make any sense.

syllogism makes most sense of the 5 remaining players. leaves you, mz, foolish and GGQ
if one of the trolls is scum
and i made one mistake,
2 of you are scum


Can I have my own catergory, like maybe Crazy-???-Vets& ?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 21 2012 20:20 GMT
#2521
On July 22 2012 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 05:05 Chezinu wrote:
On July 22 2012 03:01 supersoft wrote:
Town-vets&
26. Palmar town
3. Sandroba town
11. Supersoft town

???-Vets&
6. Foolishness
10. Meapak_Ziphh
16. GGQ
7. VisceraEyes
15. syllogism

Troll
8. Bill Murray
18. Chezinu

dead
25. RebirthofLegend town
19. Kurumi town
13. Wherebugsgo town


yes you do VE.
I devided the playerlist in two parts. in these parts in another 3 parts *4 parts for this part. because 3 of this list are already dead.
There were 13 players on that list. That means about 4 of them are scum. 3 of them are dead and one of them is me.
1 is sandroba and 1 is palmar. 2 of them are troll i cannot possibly read because they never make any sense.

syllogism makes most sense of the 5 remaining players. leaves you, mz, foolish and GGQ
if one of the trolls is scum
and i made one mistake,
2 of you are scum


Can I have my own catergory, like maybe Crazy-???-Vets& ?


There are two of you messengers. If town PRs are coming close to mirroring the powers of scum, then it's entirely feasible that you and Sandroba are both town.

If you want me to believe this, then you're gonna have to do something besides troll. Between the two of you, you are FAR scummier than Sandroba and if it came to lynching you or no one I'd pull the trigger in a second. Because I'm TOWN, not some bullshit made up self-imposed third party.

As it stands I believe that you're scum...that you and Sandroba are NOT mirrors of the Mafia-underbosses, that one of you mirrors the other. That one of you is a minion with the power to contact ANYONE, and that the other is the town equivalent. And based on how he used the power and how you used the power, you're FAR more likely scum in that scenario.


On July 22 2012 05:15 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 04:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
On July 22 2012 02:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
On July 22 2012 02:32 Foolishness wrote:
On July 22 2012 02:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar two proven messenger roles that can target town. One is sum right? Its Chezinu imo imo.

Weren't you just trying to tell us sandroba was scum?


AS usual, not reading the thread. It all revolved around my paranoid belief that sandroba was bussing his teammates and was an executive. This was disproven A) by him messaging me and B) by Kurumi flipping town.

Keep up Foolish, we can't carry you all game. Gonna have to do something bro.

BM has claimed some kind of vote-stealer. The fact that he claims it gives me hope that he's town, because I can see scum wanting to hide that power until necessary (Read: TL Mafia XLVIII). Jackal essentially won the game for us with it after we all mass-scum-claimed. *shrug*

He's calling me scum, but I think he's just misguided. He doesn't believe it strongly enough to push my lynch, and others have expressed at least passing suspicion of me (Mattchew, layabout?, marvellosity). Would scumBM not have pushed my lynch under these conditions if he were "suspicious" of me?




Foolish can you comment on these points on BM I raised?

I don't think his roleclaim should have any bearing on what we think of him. It's definitely in BM's personality to claim a role as soon as he's attacked. He already confirmed that he can do what he says he can. Whether he's telling the whole truth or just half of it I don't know, but as I said it shouldn't be a big concern.

Scum BM does not hard push for people. He's also said that supersoft is mafia but hasn't said anything more. He also called sandroba town and called him confirmed scum 12 hours later.

Furthermore, his last minute "Kurumi is town" spiel struck me as rather odd and out of place. For instance rastaban said Kurumi was town but at least put effort into trying to convince the town otherwise. BM just kinda came in last minute with the "Chez confirmed scum" thing and has since disappeared. Of course we expect BM to be all over the place, but has he actually helped the town so far? No. Didn't he also refuse to show someone else that he can move someone else's vote around? I don't see any reason to refuse to do that considering how easy it is.


obviously the obvious scum say obvious lynch alot.. uh ohes...I means.. What mirror? Why do you believe in mirroes Mr. VE. Are you trying to fool the fool or you guys working together.. the be a question to ask ya!
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