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On July 07 2012 08:54 drwiggl3s wrote:
Well then that tells me two things. 1 your a shitty vig. And 2 you have weak reads if the best you can do at night is shoot another town.
........ Does having weak reads prevent the whole use of being a vig (which is shoot counter-productive people or scum), and marv ddin't even know you were town, you failed to make him believe you were town if he shot you.
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[b]On July 07 2012 08:55 drwiggl3s wrote:
Blue i am saying there's not enough to make a strong case. there's enough to make a weak case, and it's already been made throughout the thread on those players.
yes why is there enough to make a weak case and not a strong case? what do you think is a strong case wiggl3s?
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On July 07 2012 08:57 Bluelightz wrote:[b] Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 08:55 drwiggl3s wrote:
Blue i am saying there's not enough to make a strong case. there's enough to make a weak case, and it's already been made throughout the thread on those players. yes why is there enough to make a weak case and not a strong case? what do you think is a strong case wiggl3s?
answer please
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On July 07 2012 09:08 NoSmurfHere wrote:
*yawn*
Wiggl3s whose smurf are you? Unless you're actually decent at this game we can only laugh at you telling marv he was killing townies in his last game. He can probably learn something from it, but being a player and having knowledge are two completely separate things. Thus trying to attack his argument on the assumption that he is bad is simply an exercise in logical fallacy.
YOU!
On July 06 2012 20:06 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 17:49 NoSmurfHere wrote:
sup guys I'm vanilla town
I go sleep now What the hell? What are you doing? trying to shit up town discussion? tell me a good reason why are you doing this please, I don't know why anyone should claim (except if their name is Kenpachi).
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On July 07 2012 09:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I don't understand how claiming vanilla town is "shitting up discussion"
I never responded to you because your concerns honestly weren't worth responding to in the first place.
First, your just making more WIFOM to throw around and discuss (which is kinda worthless cause you posted like what? 3 posts?) and please explain why, I hate baseless bullshit.
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On July 07 2012 09:43 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 09:40 Bluelightz wrote:On July 07 2012 09:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I don't understand how claiming vanilla town is "shitting up discussion"
I never responded to you because your concerns honestly weren't worth responding to in the first place. First, your just making more WIFOM to throw around and discuss (which is kinda worthless cause you posted like what? 3 posts?) and please explain why, I hate baseless bullshit. So do you throw a pointless fit every time Kenpachi claims VT too? Why are you trying to call me scum for something that is alignment-null?
Because Kenpachi if fucking annoying.
Im not calling you scum I'm asking you to explain your actions. read up the post lol
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On July 07 2012 10:59 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 10:29 Bluelightz wrote:On July 07 2012 09:43 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 07 2012 09:40 Bluelightz wrote:On July 07 2012 09:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I don't understand how claiming vanilla town is "shitting up discussion"
I never responded to you because your concerns honestly weren't worth responding to in the first place. First, your just making more WIFOM to throw around and discuss (which is kinda worthless cause you posted like what? 3 posts?) and please explain why, I hate baseless bullshit. So do you throw a pointless fit every time Kenpachi claims VT too? Why are you trying to call me scum for something that is alignment-null? Because Kenpachi if fucking annoying. Im not calling you scum I'm asking you to explain your actions. read up the post lol so what was the point of saying that I was shitting up discussion? Is that what happened? I think claiming vanilla is a good way to start a game when there's nothing else to do. Kenpachi rule might be effective, it might not be, but it's completely alignment-irrelevant. Although to toot my own horn as scum I would never do it because it would mean I couldn't fakeclaim later. As scum I plan ahead and having the opportunity to fakeclaim something is imperative. If I claim vanilla town in my first post that's basically thrown out the window.
There was policy lynch discussion? I guess your response was good though, I agree because fake-claiming later is basically a no-go if you did that.
Now, opinions on prplhz and Sinensis please?
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On July 07 2012 11:22 Zephirdd wrote:
Bluelightz, can you consolidate your reads on prplhz, Dangeresque77, drwiggl3s and Sinensis? Your posts are really spaced out and it's hard to follow your train of thought.
Do it all in one post.
prplhz: Leaning scum, likeliest vote, reasons explained in my filter (his posts have no substance, his reasons on slOosh is crap)
Dangeresque77: umm, some baseless reads, noob town imo, he has provided satisfactory answers to my questions, but I don't understand who he 'thinks' is scummy, but I don't think we should lynch him right now, there are better lynch candidates then him such as orolhz
drwiggl3s; I don't like his attitude. He say's that theres only nuff' shit in the thread to make a supposedly weak case but doesn't care to point it out, as well as just wanting to piggyback other people's cases (also doesn't want to make a case). maybe scum.
Sinensis: one post, atleast has substance, but I will wait for more post's to get a more accurate read on him.
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Right now with the blue claim, I'd rather wait for the night to see for proff, he could be lying, to prove it he would die tonight (or if there is a medic he won't probably).
So, right now because of that, I think that drwiggl3s might be scum, reasons in the case below:
First, he contradicts himself:
On July 07 2012 08:48 drwiggl3s wrote:
I don't think dangeresque is being weird. I think slOosh gave good reason after his initial post and "ninja vote". I am suspicious of sinensis. MsZontar's actions don't seem out of the ordinary to me. I'd attack you to if I didn't just get out of a game with you where you were playing just like this (but were town). And yes I also think prplhz behavior is scummy.
Is any of this enough for a lynch? yes. Is any of it good enough for a sure fire mafia lynch? no. So i want others to talk.
He think's slOosh gave good reason, or did he?
On July 07 2012 06:46 drwiggl3s wrote:Not to take any heat off prplhz - I still think he should post something useful. But I think a better scum read would be slOosh. Here's my case against him: His first post isn't actually very suspicious to me. People troll, random vote, etc. all the time. but what follows is what makes me think it was a plan put in place to make him seem pro-town. (rather then an actual desire to lynch me). Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 00:44 slOosh wrote:
Hey all.
MrZentor has correctly identified my vote as a reaction test against a less known, less experienced (objectively by post count) player.
By doing this I have achieved two objectives of mine: first is to get better reads on people via gauging the responses to my weird play and also subsequent responses to those players. Pushing to something more meaningful than trite policy lynches and giving us something to work with.
Secondly, it makes me more visible - people are keeping an eye on me. Because I'm somewhat confident in my ability to reveal my towniness, this serves to give me a greater voice in town. People pay attention to the posts of those who they think suspicious. That means people gonna read what I say and also get a better, i.e. town, read on me. Awesome.
In any case I'll be resuming my regular play.
##Unvote: MrZentor
##Vote: Sinensis
(I'll be posting more later in the day. Slept at 4am yesterday due to shenanigans and gonna go work now. Hold me accountable) Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 00:45 slOosh wrote:
EBWOP:
Wahaha ... I guess the sleepy hasn't wore off yet.
It should read
##Unvote: drwiggl3s
##Vote: Sinensis His follow up posts show great reasoning, and a desire to poke people who are new and or lurking to get a reaction from them. Sure this looks like a great town post, but isn't it too great? Like he starts a mini flare up in posting where everyone's wondering why I have a vote already despite not having posted. And then after a short time he comes back with a flawless reason, thus allowing him to appear pro-town while giving him the opportunity to sit back and not have to post any more.To me at least this seems like the most suspicious action in the thread.
Also, in the post where drwiggl3s contradict's himself, he thinks that there is not enough substance to make a fucking (strong) case on someone and doesn't want to do it himself, this is the same as trying to avoid the pressure when prplhz is mislynched (if he is town though).
On July 07 2012 08:52 drwiggl3s wrote:
Is any of this enough for a lynch? yes. Is any of it good enough for a sure fire mafia lynch? no. So i want others to talk.
I don't want to throw blame around on behalf of weak cases when I'm actually waiting to see more. I was just stating my opinions so far on what's happened D1.
Why is he waiting to see more? I see no point in 'waiting' for cases while you can just make one yourself.
Then he post's some useless post's that don't help anything.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2012 08:53 drwiggl3s wrote:
Ya there was a reason mafia killed me too remember? On July 07 2012 08:54 drwiggl3s wrote:
Well then that tells me two things. 1 your a shitty vig. And 2 you have weak reads if the best you can do at night is shoot another town. On July 07 2012 08:55 drwiggl3s wrote:
I guess we'll see when that game ends and we see who's scum and who's not right? On July 07 2012 09:07 drwiggl3s wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 09:02 marvellosity wrote:
"I" didn't lynch anyone. He got lynched because more people voted for him than anyone else. Your first post after townie is lynched. Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 10:23 marvellosity wrote:
sometimes i wish i weren't so persuasive Anyway, just saying you might benefit the town more by saying less and being a little more resistant when it comes to jumping on someone for supposedly scummy actions.
Then, he says "theres only enough to make a weak case! there's no way it can't be a strong case!", I think this is stupid because a case is a case, and if the case has a valid reason than is it weak or strong?
On July 07 2012 08:55 drwiggl3s wrote:
Blue i am saying there's not enough to make a strong case. there's enough to make a weak case, and it's already been made throughout the thread on those players.
He doesn't provide reasons/ help making a 'strong' case but just waits to sheep people who care to make a case.
So, ##Vote: drwiggl3s
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so..... akdshgfadshgfyagsln
Anyway, I'm gonna read up on Sinensis and probably some others too.
Since, prplhz is a (claimed) cop, should we try and direct him or just leave him to his own decisions?
I think that prplhz should check by himself and claim it like 5 (or 1) minute(s) before the deadline or something, also he should claim the result too, that is if he lives, but this is assuming he is actually a cop.
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Well, in the subject of VE , he speds most of the time pocking people and voting people :O, also his vote switch is suspicious too as he just without reason or giving a SHORT reason he just switched.
On July 08 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah okay.
##Unvote
##Vote Drwiggl3s
No reason thur amiright?
VE also has a lot of crappy posts which are just deadweight for the thread, an example is the following:
On July 08 2012 07:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
slOosh is so dreamy.
One the plus side though, his aggressive behavior is a normal behavior for VE such as in Sum Of All Fears Mafia IIRC
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On July 09 2012 11:32 Dangeresque77 wrote:
more importantly we have 2 confirmed town atm.
ill save some time and make it three
im police officer
i jailed zephirdd
ill include my reasoning as well
im basically a medic with a slight drawback(maybe not if used on a mafia member). i think zeph is town and thought he was a reasonable target for mafia, so jailing him seemed to be prudent
Umm, Ill just say I believe your claim since Zeph DID claim roleblocked, but why claim now, mafia now just have a free ticket to killing you with no protection :/.
Right now I'm thinking VE or Sinensis for today's lynch.
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Alright, voting Sinensis + a case so he can respond and not bitch about people voting him for no reason
Case
First, what I find suspicious is that he threw a bunch of stuff to make his vote look more "big" and stuff,
On July 07 2012 12:42 Sinensis wrote:
Okay, I'm caught up:
sloosh, what are you doing? You vote wiggles with no explanation, people call you out for it, you change your vote to me with no explanation at first, people call you out for it, then your explanation is that I was your first suspicion (even though you randomly voted wiggles first?) because my posting is mechanical? My posting is mechanical and that's why I'm scummy, maybe you could elaborate on that. Even though you seem to have changed your mind again to prplhz before I responded to you. Are you just jumping on the easiest target every time? What's the deal?
Prplhz shouldn't be lynched today. No way in hell. He's gotten too much negative attention from too many people, it seems likely to me mafia is pushing for the easy lynch against an aggressive player. And why wouldn't they? prplhz isn't playing as good or as friendly as he could be. This is the last time I defend him against the rest of the angry mob unless he stops with the "LOL SCUM LOL."
I am going to go with gut for my day one vote. Zephirdd's posting is the scummiest right now in my opinion. He spends a lot of his time telling other, presumably town players, how to play. Something mafia can't seem to resist doing in most of the games I play. He is stating mostly FACTS (people talking like they know something for certain are suspicious because only mafia have FACTS) and very little speculation.
As for everyone who is suspicious of me for lurking, you're right, it's suspicious, my bad. I work during the day (USEAST) and can't post till night usually. Expect my posts then, like I'm doing now. If anyone has any questions for me now is a good time I will be around.
##vote: Zephirdd
As you can see, without the bunch of stuff its very small, also when you look at his reasons, he never explains why facts are scummy, he just says that mafia tend to do it and yada yada yada
On July 08 2012 04:48 Sinensis wrote:
I could probably swing this vote back onto someone else if I switched but I'm happy to be where I'm at. I'm going to leave it on Zephirdd till the end of the day and see if people are still mad about it. I still think he's scum but I'm the only one that would think that right now, so yeah, not budging.
He's being openly hostile and not helping to consolidate the vote which might've led to a no-lynch which is terrible because we lose valuable information (but it is a plus though that he stuck to his own thoughts then sheeping and vote switching like many people did on day 1).
On July 08 2012 13:03 Sinensis wrote:
Wow I thought I was going to be thrown under the bus for sticking to my gut (as per usual), and you guys go and kill someone completely different on nothing but gut and weak meta?
Keep an eye on those that switched votes from me to wiggles in my opinion.
That's sloosh, VE, and dangeresque. I would gamble one of them is mafia.
Then he points out X,Y, and Z, there's probably scum in between, this is just bullshit because he doesnt explain if X,Y, and Z is scummy (reasonless crap).
Those are just my thoughts but feel free to add on,
and ##Vote: Sinensis
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Sorry guys, slept since 4PM yesterday only to wake up at midnight -.- .
MrZentor - I dislike his open denial of providing information to town because it is clearly a bad thing to do (less information for town to discuss, less information for town to use) therefore I also think he is scum and willing to vote him if need be.
Sinensis - Please answer my case.
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On July 10 2012 11:55 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 11:48 Bluelightz wrote:
Sorry guys, slept since 4PM yesterday only to wake up at midnight -.- .
MrZentor - I dislike his open denial of providing information to town because it is clearly a bad thing to do (less information for town to discuss, less information for town to use) therefore I also think he is scum and willing to vote him if need be.
Sinensis - Please answer my case. thoughts on VE?
On July 09 2012 09:17 Bluelightz wrote:Well, in the subject of VE , he speds most of the time pocking people and voting people :O, also his vote switch is suspicious too as he just without reason or giving a SHORT reason he just switched. No reason thur amiright?
VE also has a lot of crappy posts which are just deadweight for the thread, an example is the following: One the plus side though, his aggressive behavior is a normal behavior for VE such as in Sum Of All Fears Mafia IIRC
Another plus though is that VE didn't sheep on Zentor but made up his own reasons for it.
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@Sinensis
1. You voted but you had to post 3 pargraphs of fluff first that's why I crossed it out, but that is a valid reason
2. On the drwiggl3s lynch not on yourself Sinensis, you just stuck up and that might've resulted in a no-lynch.
3. Bro, you didn't explain why switching was scummy, you just said it was scummy = reasonless.
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On July 10 2012 12:03 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 12:00 Zephirdd wrote:Sinensis said
I don't believe I've ever been scum in a TL game. Someone said I have been scum once earlier, but I don't remember that so maybe they know something I don't. Confirmation, he has never been scum on TL. I actually looked it up earlier. While you're here and knowing all about me maybe you could confirm that I am also frequently stubborn, often to a fault.
I can confirm that, in SoAF he just gave up and wasn't willing to switch votes iirc. As well as from numerous other games.
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On July 10 2012 12:15 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 12:14 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:On July 10 2012 12:07 Sinensis wrote:On July 10 2012 12:02 Bluelightz wrote:
@Sinensis
1. You voted but you had to post 3 pargraphs of fluff first that's why I crossed it out, but that is a valid reason
2. On the drwiggl3s lynch not on yourself Sinensis, you just stuck up and that might've resulted in a no-lynch.
3. Bro, you didn't explain why switching was scummy, you just said it was scummy = reasonless. 1. IT. WASN'T. FLUFF. It was stuff YOU YOURSELF posted about earlier in the thread. Not all of that post had to do with the vote. I was CONSOLIDATING.2. I didn't think wiggles was scum. I thought Zeph was scum. That's why I voted zeph, not wiggles. 3. Three people changing from one innocent bandwagoned target to another innocent target is scummy to me. Maybe I'm stupid for believe that. Maybe you should explain to me why I'm stupid for believing that if you have a problem with it. No, your not stupid for believing that, you just didn't explain why you believed in that,(you) Finely explained the other points already too. WHO ARE YOU WHAT IS GOING ON
its me, forgot to log out lol
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Im here, reading through shit.
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