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s0Lstice
07-06-2012
06:51 PM ET (US)
+ Show Spoiler +Edit Delete yea we should share, our role doesnt mean anything anymore 158 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-06-2012 06:46 PM ET (US) should we share? I dont like the idea of claiming. 157 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-06-2012 06:19 PM ET (US) if talis does flip town though and assuming we are still not endgamed by then grush/saturn need to die asap 156 s0Lstice 07-06-2012 05:38 PM ET (US) i'm glad we agree though, it's always scary being alone on a read, and I trust yours. 155 s0Lstice 07-06-2012 05:36 PM ET (US) yea Talis defense really rang scummy to me. his evidence for himself as town was so totally weak. notice also the anger, the F-bombs. It wasn't like this when he was up for lynch before. He is cornered. 154 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-06-2012 04:24 PM ET (US) actually rereading talis defence is actually no defense but some funky connection stuff... I'll go along with your read on talis then. 153 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-06-2012 04:21 PM ET (US) Well you are awesome at applying pressure.  Talismania does point out the scary votetiming from saturn/grush though and his responses together with cephs look quite okay to me. If we lynch grush we have to be sure to hit scum as you already pointed out the numbers. Actually I am really unsure now. What are your thoughts right now? 152 s0Lstice 07-06-2012 09:47 AM ET (US) I'm gonna write up a case on both of them. I really think I have it right this time. 151 s0Lstice 07-06-2012 08:35 AM ET (US) plus, even if cephiro didn't get bussed, it would have given him MAD town cred for taking the night hit, and he would only be down 1 stock. A fair trade in my eyes. 150 s0Lstice 07-06-2012 08:34 AM ET (US) I actually think it's cephiro and Talis. It's entirely possible that they predicted that cephiro would be bussed. I have to look in dedede's filter, but I think he was reading Cephiro as town. It would take balls of steel, but they could have put the KP on cephiro. I looked at dedede's filter, and it is pretty solid. I get a strong town vibe from him. This means that grush will flip town. If this does indeed happen, then I will be more convinced. Of all the players left, the filters just don't lie. Cephiro has been tunneling Risen all game, and Talis has done next to nothing, just going with the flow.
Not sure how much you want of this, we got a lot
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+ Show Spoiler +ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted
07-06-2012
08:19 AM ET (US)
Cephiro/dedede scumteam?
Otherwise the nighthit on Ceph does not make any sense
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s0Lstice
07-06-2012
08:15 AM ET (US)
Cephiro's filter does not look good imo. All he has done is tunnel Risen the entire game.
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ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted
07-06-2012
08:09 AM ET (US)
yeah just saw it, my bad.
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s0Lstice
07-06-2012
07:09 AM ET (US)
yea he did, he said he ate risen.
I looked at the votes. It was 4 votes for talis, 3 on grush. We then switched to grush, making it 3 to 4. Cephiro then comes in and votes grush. 3 to 5. Then risen switched from grush to talis. 4 to 4. Grush being the first to 4 means he would be lynched regardless of whether Talis was pikachu, assuming I understand it correctly.
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ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted
07-06-2012
07:00 AM ET (US)
wait he claimed Kirby? You sure? I have not found a claim in his filter
Edited 07-06-2012 07:03 AM
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s0Lstice
07-06-2012
06:58 AM ET (US)
hmm, ill have to look at the numbers. he has since claimed kirby. if he was really lying about that then he is totally scum.
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ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted
07-06-2012
06:44 AM ET (US)
Well not following his own suggestion is something I overlooked. Looks pretty bad to be honest.
I thought he was pikachu? Otherwise the whole lynch on grush day1 would not have worked.
Edited 07-06-2012 06:45 AM
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s0Lstice
07-06-2012
06:37 AM ET (US)
i'll keep in mind what you said about Talis, I still haven't done a fresh read yet.
I'm curious what you make of the fact that he called for everyone to present fresh reads once every cycle, then didn't even follow his own suggestion.
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s0Lstice
07-06-2012
06:33 AM ET (US)
another thing I want to do is look at dedede and cephiro again. if grush flips town especially so. Yoshi+samus would make sense for balance purposes..
I keep saying they are town, but I don't want to blind myself to the possibility.
Also, Talis is Kirby. Kirby+falcon wouldn't be too bad for balance.
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ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted
07-06-2012
05:44 AM ET (US)
Well consider talismanias reaction to the first case you made on him. Calm, explaining and well-structured. his thoughts about the setup might seem filler, but they can also be logical from a town perspective.
I would still have him as a townread.
Saturn is getting better, but it is kind of hard to read him as S&B and Hiro seem to have a completely different postingstyle. but would you really think that town has two samuses against a scumteam of pikachu/falcon? kind of imbalanced in my opinion, but yeah that is speculation about setup and stuff. If cephiro had not been the target of the scum KP I would have called him more scummy since earlier but like now I am kind of stuck on grush/Saturn team. A Talismania scum would be indicative of dedede scum in my opinion, Talis has zero interaction with dedede, which is worrying. But having the high townread on dedede I would lynch grush today and find a way to kill saturn
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s0Lstice
07-06-2012
04:39 AM ET (US)
and no worries
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s0Lstice
07-06-2012
04:39 AM ET (US)
The way Saturn has been behaving recently...it makes me want to have another look.
Let me know your opinion, I am beginning to lean Talismania as the last scum. I haven't finished doing a review of it yet. Cephiro and dedede are very town, so it's gotta be either Tali or Mr. S.
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ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted
07-05-2012
08:04 PM ET (US)
Sorry for leaving you out like this the whole day, stuff came up and I just couldn't check til now.
How do you want to proceed?
Lynch grush and tell vig/samus to hit saturn at night?
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s0Lstice
07-05-2012
06:47 AM ET (US)
ah nvm. seems he is DK, he was surprised his carry target didn't get damaged.
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s0Lstice
07-05-2012
04:51 AM ET (US)
I think Risen is fox. He seems pretty surprised he took damage, asserting he got roleblocked.
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s0Lstice
07-04-2012
08:03 PM ET (US)
ok will do.
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ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted
07-04-2012
08:02 PM ET (US)
I'll be off now.
Keep pushing grush/Saturn if possible/needed. Any of their flips should be pretty good.
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s0Lstice
07-04-2012
07:38 PM ET (US)
thanks
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ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted
07-04-2012
07:37 PM ET (US)
send it to the hydraaccount
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s0Lstice
07-04-2012
07:30 PM ET (US)
hey can you resend that risen case back to me? or just reply to it. I need the html coding intact.
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ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted
07-04-2012
06:29 PM ET (US)
I totally agree with the vote on grush, seriously stacking up to make damage quite clearly scum. Also the push on saturn brings him to 1 stock. easy to pick off later
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ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted
07-04-2012
06:27 PM ET (US)
oh wait ignore my derpfest of thought :S
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s0Lstice
07-04-2012
06:26 PM ET (US)
looks like dedede bussed between cephiro and risen. makes perfect sense
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I got a good chuckle out of the doublenub comment s&b haha
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damn this is great I didn't expect HRB.
Artanis and acro we definitely need yours now. Need need need. Post your communiques, my friends.
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On July 07 2012 07:43 talismania wrote:
Oh this is awesome.
Other hydras, I'd like to see all your private communications that you feel are safe to share as well.
We should really rule artanis+acro out this way. Can you guys copy+paste the text of all your communications up until any point where you talk about who you're busing tonight? Thanks!
Can't do that, my talks with Acro include a lot of talk about my current MTG game I'm hosting which includes sensitive information that could dramatically alter that game. I don't feel like editing out half the conversation either since it'd prove nothing as I could be editing it as scum.
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Vatican City State155 Posts
I'm still shooting you tonight, talismania
- Hiro
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Can I get a hug and a kiss when I flip?
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On July 07 2012 08:00 kingdedede wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 07:43 talismania wrote:
Oh this is awesome.
Other hydras, I'd like to see all your private communications that you feel are safe to share as well.
We should really rule artanis+acro out this way. Can you guys copy+paste the text of all your communications up until any point where you talk about who you're busing tonight? Thanks! Can't do that, my talks with Acro include a lot of talk about my current MTG game I'm hosting which includes sensitive information that could dramatically alter that game. I don't feel like editing out half the conversation either since it'd prove nothing as I could be editing it as scum.
well that sucks. Can we get a few little teasers here and there? Surely there are some exchanges that don't include talk about that game.
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Vatican City State155 Posts
Nope, I don't give hugs to scum
And if you're actually town, I'll be too sad 
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On July 07 2012 08:04 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 08:00 kingdedede wrote:On July 07 2012 07:43 talismania wrote:
Oh this is awesome.
Other hydras, I'd like to see all your private communications that you feel are safe to share as well.
We should really rule artanis+acro out this way. Can you guys copy+paste the text of all your communications up until any point where you talk about who you're busing tonight? Thanks! Can't do that, my talks with Acro include a lot of talk about my current MTG game I'm hosting which includes sensitive information that could dramatically alter that game. I don't feel like editing out half the conversation either since it'd prove nothing as I could be editing it as scum. well that sucks. Can we get a few little teasers here and there? Surely there are some exchanges that don't include talk about that game.
Yeah I'm serious about this. you need to give us something. I highly doubt every single post has stuff on the MTG game.
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On July 07 2012 08:05 Mister Saturn wrote:Nope, I don't give hugs to scum And if you're actually town, I'll be too sad
You and me both I think are getting toasted in the scum QT unless you and strongandbig had the foresight to fake those convos like that.
Right now we need to keep pressuring artanis to post as much of his convo with acrofales as possible. I think what HRB posted almost absolutely rules them out as scum.
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Vatican City State155 Posts
I honestly don't believe you at all. I'm shooting you.
And even if they are actually scum somehow, they've played really well and I wouldn't be ashamed in losing to them. Literally the only thing I've suspected them on is how little Acro has been posting.
- Hiro
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Vatican City State155 Posts
Well I suppose I would be a little mad at the end of this game if grush was scum -_-
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Everything interesting we've already shared in thread. It was mostly Acro playing as I focussed on my MTG game. That's why most of the talk was about MTG, where Acro just checked things that he wanted to post with me in skype. Our exchanges went something like:
[5-7-2012 00:40:38] Acro: how about:
[5-7-2012 00:40:40] Acro: <quote of anagram>
This is an anagram for bus cephiro risen.
That's exactly what we did. I guess we got lucky with our guess. The idea behind it was that scum would want to get rid of any extra town KP as fast as possible and my strongest town read on a (semi-)confirmed KP player was Cephiro.
We thought of driving ourselves (we were also afraid of iGrok picking us up), but figured the risk to Cephiro was probably bigger. At least for the hit we were right...
The earlier thought was to move any damage on a town player to a scummy player, but our strongest scum reads were at risk of getting shot themselves:
1. We still don't like Tali. Grush has also voiced his dislike of Tali. Grush has KP and might've shot Tali.
2. Grush is a similar story. He has lurked and even a lynch hasn't gotten him to do anything useful. We want to see who he shoots. However, a bus was not really an option, because iGrok has said he thinks Grush is scum and he might want to pick up Grush. Swapping a mob hit for a donkey kong right, seemed like a really bad idea. Als night and having a town read donkey konged seemed like a bad idea
3. iGrok also couldn't be swapped for the same reason as Tali.
I'm still pretty null on Saturn and Risen, but have a townie read on HRB. I just followed SnB's advice to swap Cephiro with the player least likely to take damage. I also kinda liked that Risen had 3 stock, so was not in any immediate danger.
[5-7-2012 00:41:30] Artanis: hm
[5-7-2012 00:41:53] Artanis: sure
[5-7-2012 00:42:12] Artanis: Sounds okay
Unless you want a few more posts like this there's not much I can give you.
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If cephiro isn't lying he'll shoot grush, so no worries there.
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Vatican City State155 Posts
lol, that looks exactly like a scum QT conversation with one experienced and one newer player -_-
But I'm just going with my read on talismania. At this point he has nothing to lose and can act however townie he wants. I'm shooting talismania.
- Hiro
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Vatican City State155 Posts
On July 07 2012 08:17 HomerunBat wrote:
If cephiro isn't lying he'll shoot grush, so no worries there.
No man, it's not that simple. If dedede is scum, we are so screwed because it's like bus driver wifom that the shooters have to deal with.
- Hiro
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On July 07 2012 08:17 kingdedede wrote:
Everything interesting we've already shared in thread. It was mostly Acro playing as I focussed on my MTG game. That's why most of the talk was about MTG, where Acro just checked things that he wanted to post with me in skype. Our exchanges went something like:
[5-7-2012 00:40:38] Acro: how about:
[5-7-2012 00:40:40] Acro: <quote of anagram>
This is an anagram for bus cephiro risen.
That's exactly what we did. I guess we got lucky with our guess. The idea behind it was that scum would want to get rid of any extra town KP as fast as possible and my strongest town read on a (semi-)confirmed KP player was Cephiro.
We thought of driving ourselves (we were also afraid of iGrok picking us up), but figured the risk to Cephiro was probably bigger. At least for the hit we were right...
The earlier thought was to move any damage on a town player to a scummy player, but our strongest scum reads were at risk of getting shot themselves:
1. We still don't like Tali. Grush has also voiced his dislike of Tali. Grush has KP and might've shot Tali.
2. Grush is a similar story. He has lurked and even a lynch hasn't gotten him to do anything useful. We want to see who he shoots. However, a bus was not really an option, because iGrok has said he thinks Grush is scum and he might want to pick up Grush. Swapping a mob hit for a donkey kong right, seemed like a really bad idea. Als night and having a town read donkey konged seemed like a bad idea
3. iGrok also couldn't be swapped for the same reason as Tali.
I'm still pretty null on Saturn and Risen, but have a townie read on HRB. I just followed SnB's advice to swap Cephiro with the player least likely to take damage. I also kinda liked that Risen had 3 stock, so was not in any immediate danger.
[5-7-2012 00:41:30] Artanis: hm
[5-7-2012 00:41:53] Artanis: sure
[5-7-2012 00:42:12] Artanis: Sounds okay
Unless you want a few more posts like this there's not much I can give you.
Yeah, as much as possible please. We need to do as much as possible to maybe confirm that you're town.
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On July 07 2012 08:17 HomerunBat wrote:
If cephiro isn't lying he'll shoot grush, so no worries there.
He isn't lying - the concern would be that grush is town in which case cephiro + dedede have this almost all the way in the bag. They have 2.5 kp to work with and hiropro already committed to shooting me. Even if I switch from carrying mister saturn to one of them we'd have to get lucky with grush's shot and get hiropro to change his mind to have a chance at not having two dead townies in the morning.
It sort of occurred to me that what I said about "if dedede and cephiro were scum one will change their mind at the last second blahblahblah" actually happened and I didn't even notice. I really really really want to rule them out as a possibility and pray that hiropro and snb just made those convos up because they're smart players so pretty please artanis with sugar on top, post as much of the stuff that you can with acrofales. Even if you have to spend an hour editing it, please do.
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yea that's a good point.
I've been through dedede's filter a number of times and got a town read every time. I will go look again though, mainly because that's the one scenario we are totally screwed in.
you are controlling the shot, so don't close your mind to anything, but don't be paranoid. There is no need to rush either, we got 24 hours.
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