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Mr. Saturn, I see a lot of confirmation bias in your continued suspicion on us.
I don't understand how you can think iGrok is scum and yet aren't pushing him more. I explained a scenario where his actions could be interpreted as town, but you didn't comment on it.
I also explained pretty cleary (or so I thought) why I lent this explanation any creedence. His mistake came off as town to me. I also said my view can change, pending his explanation of what happened. How is this scummy to you? Saying someone I read as town is doing some scummy looking things is not a contradiction. I've been saying all along that because of the strength of the initial read on him, he has some leash to explain the scummy things he is doing.
In my view it was logical to read iGrok's mistake as town, so I naturally suspected you because you reacted severely to it. To me it looked like you were aggressively seizing the moment to take some stock off a townie, using his mistake as the catalyst. You may not agree with that opinion, but it doesn't make me scum.
As far as you are concerned, I think you are genuinely angry at the goings on. I'm trying now to rationalize that anger with what I see in your filter. Need Shiao's input on it as well.
Right now, we are both in agreement on grush or talismania as the lynch for today.
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in very recent history you voted for talismania
told us to kill grush
and now just said saturn is scum.
I'm getting pretty tired of your garbage to be honest. You are just as bad as grush.
-s0L
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iGrok walks around the thread punching people in the face.
iGrok why are you doing this?
Because it's Tuesday, and I'm wearing purple socks. Also cats. How is this difficult to follow?
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Okay quite a lot happened while I was busy.
Looks like talis is going to eat the lynch today. I am okay with it. He has been in the same category as grush to me (albeit not that lurky) and solstice has repeatedly voiced his concern on him so:
##unvote
##Vote: Talismania
This should hopefully secure the lynch on him.
Now onto reevaluating people:
iGrok: Has been largely a nulltell for me a while, while solstice did tend townie on him. We would tend to read him as scummy now. His behaviour after the item/stage events has been largely disruptive. And taking a closer look at his filter, yields some interesting aspects:
-Pegging people as scum with close to zero reasononing
-Prodding people about roles
-The decision to carry Saturn: This has been really controversial. It was clear that Saturn was Samus and after reading through Saturn's filter in the timeframe in which iGrok has claimed to made his decision I found nothing in regards of Scummy behaviour, which would have led to the decision iGrok took.
-when asked about reads, he is vague or sheeping other people's opinions. Always referring to the future if asked about his reads.
-Also wtf is this?
On July 04 2012 05:13 iGrok wrote:Oh wait, I forgot that this is the only way people can follow my thoughts: 492764207374696c6c20726174686572206c796e63682067727573682e2049747320676f696e6720746f20626520696d706f737369626c6520746f2067657420616e7920696e666f726d6174696f6e206f7574206f662068696d2e20526561642068697320706173742067616d65732c206e6f7468696e6720627574206f6e656c696e657273207468652077686f6c652074696d652e
Conclusively I would be happy to lynch iGrok wouldn't he carry Samus right now, this would bring Saturn down to 0.5Stock and probably dead by mafia hands come the night (yes I have a townread on him). Furthermore with the way the votes accumalted and the proximity to deadline, I don't think we can make a switch happen.
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Well, why are you so adamant about not sharing it then?
-Shiao
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iGrok is now a scumread. He was town for solstice earlier and nulltell to me but given his behaviour since item/stage events we both believe him to be scum now.
I had a slight townread on Saturn, while solstice tended scum, right now we are both tending town on him
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On July 04 2012 06:08 Risen wrote:
homerun earlier you said you don't understand saturn's decision to shoot igrok. Why is this? How can you not understand that having someone carry you, causing you to lose stock as a result, and then refusing to explaion as justification?
If I was Saturn I'd have raised fifty thousand hells to lynch iGrok.
that was largely due to conflicting reads between me and solstice. Since I was sleeping at that moment solstice posted
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On July 04 2012 06:55 ShiaoPi wrote:
First off I am going by my own choice now, solstice is away right now, I wanted to lynch grush more so:
##unvote
##vote: grush57
Risen is reading as town to me.
He was outspoken when he opposed the plan of iGrok and I doubt that scum would attract that much attention with something the majority had basically already decided to favor. Does not mean I agree with his critique of the plan. His play also seems quite open to me.
Dedede:
I was (and still am a bit) sceptical about the whole bus driver thing and have more or less a nulltell on him now. I am waiting to see what he does with his nightaction, before being able to make more out of him.
Those reads are all mine and solstice might not share them.
-Shiao
fml..
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duh,
what happens now that we tie?
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well my math says we are at 4 to 4
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I assume the picture is pure flavour and not indicative of the roles present?
Well that gives us Grush's role.
-Shiao
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On July 04 2012 07:28 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 07:25 HomerunBat wrote:
I assume the picture is pure flavour and not indicative of the roles present?
Well that gives us Grush's role.
-Shiao OF COURSE IT IS 
IT HAS A CPT. FALCON INVOLVED THOUGH!
That's what made me ask the question :D
-Shiao
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I've been reading past games for like 5 hours, writing shit and deleting it. Pretty horrible night all things considered!
Tali-
I did come up with some things that I value pretty highly, and one is some insight on Talismania. Acro had mentioned that in his past games with him, Talis came off as extremely town, and fast too.
Without knowing anything about his meta, I really thought it was odd how a large portion of his filter was posts about really random junk that pertained to the game, but didn't really help us with our wincon.
Reading Bastard Mafia 2 has me strongly leaning scum. Go have a look.
click me!
He is bold, fearless. He puts on the town leader hat right from his first post. He calls people out, pursues reads aggressively. Compare that to how he plays here. Extremely passive.
Acro, I know you were thinking this earlier. Do you still feel the same way?
Tali, what's the deal man? Who is scum? Why aren't you pursuing them? The way you are spending your time right now looks way scummy.
Mr. Saturn-
He is at 2 stock following the iGrok thing, and is still actively calling for any vig types to hit iGrok tonight knowing he will eat the same damage. I see no scum motivation for doing this. I read it as is he is town, and doesn't give a shit about dying if it kills his scum-read in the process.
iGrok-
Both Shiao and I think he is scum. The reasoning is outlined by Shiao in one of our previous posts. Please go look.
I think Saturn is right in that iGrok has done nothing to help town. The day 1 carry at the time he did it was also odd. I really can't wait to hear the Saturn reasoning, because from what I see, at the time Saturn was carried there just wasn't much to go on. If I was in his shoes, I'd have been more cautious about potentially hurting a town Samus, which wasn't unlikely considering the weakness of all the reads at that point.
There is going to need to be a rockstar/come-to-jebus/eureka type post from iGrok on day 2 for me to not want to lynch/lava push him.
-s0L
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Tali,
I don't think you are scum. I wanted to see the reactions to pressure on you. I purposely picked that dayvig game, I saw it for exactly what it was.
On July 05 2012 01:33 talismania wrote:
After Hiro flailed around a bit trying to latch onto a target I think he was glad to find me. And his certainty in pushing me is consistent with scum behavior.
I very much agree. This fits as well:
On July 03 2012 09:44 Mister Saturn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 09:40 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: Saturn move your vote to homerunbat, shoot the donkey. That works. But either a captain falcon needs to shoot iGrok tonight or we need to lynch iGrok day 2; otherwise he won't die. ##Unvote
##Vote: HomerunBat
On July 04 2012 05:06 Mister Saturn wrote:
It's not that I don't want to think for myself. It's that I don't trust myself right now.
But I actually do agree with you on talismania. Maybe it's just me but the fact that he ignores the actually scummy parts of my play (like the fact that I've basically announced I'm sheeping or my uncertainty about HomerunBat) and focuses on pointless stuff makes me think he's scum. And to be honest he's been pretty unhelpful other than the bad case he made on me.
I'm voting for talismania. I'll be back in half an hour.
##Unvote
##Vote talismania
- Hiro
On July 04 2012 10:00 Mister Saturn wrote:
Do you not think HomerunBat is scum anymore, Risen?
- Hiro
Odd sheep vote on me, an admittance of uncertainty, and then when Risen goes elsewhere, he is left behind to push the case.
This combined with how eagerly he latched on to Tali after a shitty meta argument has me pretty convinced.
This also means iGrok was right. I'll have to think on that some more.
-s0L
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so, you are claiming you attacked Cephiro and it didn't go through?
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EPT
