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On June 26 2012 04:59 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 04:38 marvellosity wrote:
why don't you try actually commenting on my case, rastaban? I don't see how you go from one moment thinking VE is so town that both a jailer and mafia would try and hit him noght one to then thinking he is the leading scum. I think it is most likely that you are both town arguing with each other like you and gonzaw in bang bang. I thought maybe VE was scum for a bit as well due to the fact that he didn't get a single vote yesterday despite the back and forth but going through his filter I didn't see it. He also tried to lead yesterday's lynch which scum is often hesitant to do. marv, what are your thoughts on risk? he hasn't changed a thing since I called him out yesterday, and now says we should ignore him because he is lazy....
You don't see how, or you won't read my case properly?
Tried to lead yesterday's lynch? what are you on? Do you have no comments on how he didn't want to lynch Zentor but completely ignored the case on you despite the fact that you were the next candidate and slOosh was pushing it?
You seem to be playing a different game than I am.
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No, my case is not invalidated by my previous uncertainty. that's a terrible argument. As you yourself coached me at the start of my time playing mafia, town have less information than scum, and town are more likely to change their minds than scum. Trying to suggest the fact I've flip flopped invalidates my case is a terrible, terrible argument.
So far you've said you're not gonna respond to my case, that I'm scum for making it, then you say you're going to respond to it later, and now you're not bothering to respond to it. Scummy.
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On June 26 2012 05:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Saying I'm so townie that both the jailer and the scumteam would target me overnight and following it up directly with me being your only/strongest scumread doesn't constitute "changing your mind" in the townie sense. That's a complete fucking 180. Everything you said in your case had happened at the time that you said I was probably who scum tried to kill but was saved by a jailer, and nothing had changed except for the night-kills. And I don't care who was killed, it shouldn't make you change your stance on someone completely marvel, that's just not how shit works.
No, I said you were probably town, and referenced THE THOUGHTS OF OTHERS. I even wrote them elsewhere in my filter (risk/prob). Who was killed at night didn't make me change my stance.
I only settled on you after long deliberations and angst over my choice. I went over Snarfs in Emergency mafia, I went over Probulous in both C9++ and LV, I went over risk in PYP Poison, I went over rastaban in Bang bang and I went over you in WoF and LI, in addition to looking at all the filters in this game.
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My case isn't bullshit, and you should respond to it.
Especially the part regarding rastaban and the lynch.
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Except actually you promised to look into the cases against him later and comment on him, and you did not. That was a flat out lie.
You wanted to appear good by saying you didn't want to lynch Zentor, but there was only one creditable alternative to the lynch and you knew it.
I also look lovely when dressed up like a fairy. But that's nothing to do with anything.
More to follow regarding VE's response to my case. Stay tuned folks!
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Yes, and it's bullshit. You specifically promised to look into the rastaban cases and comment on them, and you did not. It's extremely simple. I can prove you did not comment on rastaban and the cases on him because, in fact, you did not.
More regarding VE's response to my case:
VE has in fact done everything but respond to my case. He's dismissed it, or attacked me directly, or omgused.
On June 26 2012 01:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wow look at that, who saw that one coming?
*raises hand*
First there's the sarcasm.
Having lectured me on omgus earlier in the game when I was in fact not omgusing, he proceeds to do it himself:
On June 26 2012 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
*shrug*
Suit yourself.
##Vote: Marvellosity
It didn't have to be this way sir.
On June 26 2012 01:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Since Marvel has claimed scum by thinking I'm scum, everyone should be voting for Marvelosity. He clearly doesn't want to play, so let's oblige the poor chap shall we?
Dismisses the case without actually replying to any of it:
On June 26 2012 01:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Marvel's case boils down to...what? What is the main point you'd like me to answer for Marvel? Because it looks to me like a huge post just trying to justify voting for me. There's nothing scummy in there, there's nothing alignment indicative, it's all just a bunch of stuff that you're twisting to justify voting for me.
so yeah, if there's a specific problem you'd like me to answer for, feel free to clearly ask me while I'm around - if not, then you're obvious scum trying to appear contributory.
So there's no case to answer, right? Wrong! He will answer my case, but only when he feels like it.
On June 26 2012 02:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway, I'll respond to marv's case in full when I feel like it. I don't feel like it right now, so you'll excuse my indifference.
Just in case anyone missed it, he will definitely respond to my case, with appropriate swearing:
On June 26 2012 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Xs, I've been suspicious of marv all game, don't even.
....nope, not doing this right now. No one admires my play, my play is a fucking joke. Saying that only makes me suspicious of YOU Xs...but whatever, I'll look into that later.
I said I'll respond to Marv's case. I'll do it. When I fucking feel like it.
But wait for it... wait for it... he won't respond to my case after all!
On June 26 2012 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your case is invalid by virtue of you waffling on your read of me all fucking game marvel. I don't care what your case says when you're just as likely to flip your view and say I'm town at the slightest provocation. That's why I'm not even bothering to respond, for those of you watching at home. *wavewave*
Cases aren't made invalid by how indecisive ANYONE was previously. Cases are invalid if the points made within the case are logically refuted. But he'll be having none of that.
On June 26 2012 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
And hey - I'm responding to your case here, now, by talking to you. Fuck the points in your case, if you have any reasoning behind them then you should have no problem asking me conversationally about them without having to refer to your bullshit case.
What's the problem you have with my play marvel? Something you can dictate?
Oh, he's responding to my case by talking to me. Last time I checked that wasn't responding to a case, that was talking to someone. 'Fuck the points in my case'? My 'bullshit' case? Again dismissing my case without actually refuting anything.
VE is a floundering scum-merchant.
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Nope, I'm not going nuts at all. Since I found you I'm the calmest I've been all game. Keep going though.
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This isn't shit, this is a case and his failure to respond to it.
Don't you dare.
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The fact that you even made that comment, because VE spammed up the thread by making 10 posts all of which did not actually respond to my case, shows how successful his deflection was. Makes me a sad panda.
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No, it indicates you shitting up the thread.
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That's because it happened after my case? I made my case at the top of page 30 and you've taken two pages to respond, for no other reason than you're crapping up the thread and want to try to discredit me.
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Everyone else can read my case, your thread shitting and your final response to it and make up their mind, so I'm not going to argue with you.
Still no defence to the fact you outright lied that you would check out the rastaban cases and comment in the thread, and then did not.
Anyway, not my turn now
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Mattchew didn't make a fullblown case on me, he asked a question?
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No, because he shit up the thread and just look at prplhz's response - he said 'stop all this shit' or whatever.
So instead of reading and responding to my case, he just saw me and VE arguing, when I was trying to present a case. Clearly then he was successful in deflecting.
And again now you're asking me about this, and you haven't actually commented on my case at all.
Proof is in the pudding of how things are turning out.
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Response to VE's case in brief:
1) Matt asked a question. I liked it because I hadn't really thought about it before, and I was interested in what he thought. That is all.
2) I do tend to play more scummily as town than as scum. There is nothing contradictory here, it's simple fact. The only time I have ever been lynched in TL Mafia was when I played town (WoF). In my 2 games as scum, no-one has even been able to make a case against me.
3) I did not straight up lie to the thread. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, but as I was directly addressing you VE, you should definitely have known: "check out how many times i said/did anything scummy in LV" - implication is that I did not. VE bolds the "see the pressure" part of my sentence on Magic, but actually I said "where I wanted to shoot NT right off the bat". I am clearly saying what I was referring to without you needing to look. There is no lie.
Your lie, on the other hand, was about promising to comment on rastaban, and your explanation was "I commented by NOT commenting or voting". Right. If you promise to comment, then at least say "I had a look at the cases and I still think he is townie", but no.
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"The rest of his play" is him attacking me, which you approve of because you agree with him. There's not a lot to be said about it really.
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As I've clarified before, I should have just answered the question straight the first time, but I didn't. Having done that, I could make the best of the situation by assessing the responses to it. It wasn't me purposefully being scummy.
I didn't take a risk, your view of the event is simply incorrect. How it happened is what I said in 1) in my VE defence.
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What are you talking about?
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Because you misunderstand my posts, so you are thinking I'm saying things I'm not so I'm confused.
1) it's an easy thing to do, not you're an easy day 1 lynch. The point was that you were policy pushing someone without much mention of whether they might be scum, and VE was attacking you for it. My point was that it is very easy for anyone to attack you for your policy lynch. Not that you are in general an easy day 1 lynch.
2) you told me and VE to 'stop this shit' but you didn't actually respond to my case at all. Again my point here is that VE spamming up the thread had prevented people (read: you) from actually responding to my case.
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prplhz, you have still not commented on my case on VE. Please do so, please tell me what you do or don't agree with.
And yes, his silence is deafening.
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