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On June 27 2012 12:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
If you're town, your death isn't necessarily the end of the game for town. Appeal to emotion AND fear simultaneously while you're at it.
I'm sorry if you're town, but I don't think you are. Get over it.
I'm trying to win by avoiding a mis lynch
I'm appealing to the same logic you've used to push my lynch Aka none
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I can go to sleep now finally...
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On June 28 2012 02:39 Snarfs wrote:Wow. I'm sorry for not posting my reasoning for Mattchew before I left, but I really didn't have time. It was mainly these two things that really stood out for me: a) His asking marv a question at the beginning, then not checking back 7 minutes later to see the answer nor comment seemed like it was a really easy way to fake a contribution. b) The way he voted when he made his group of cases. If marv was one of his primary targets and marv was the clear vote leader, why vote rastaban? He claims that rastaban was his strongest scum read and he was willing to switch to marv, but he made it quite clear that he was almost certain marv was SK: Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 12:05 Mattchew wrote:
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I actually should maybe color Marv black, because I think his play just feels very off. I think I lean him being the SK more than I do him being scum. Either way he eventually needs a noose. His filter is long and fluffy. A ton of arguing with VE but even more deflecting of actual answers... instead he resorts to inane arguments full of WIFOM and fallacys, like in all these filter enhancing posts. Can someone pick me out anything pro-town from these?
[--snip--] "Either way he eventually needs a noose." That doesn't sound like someone on the fence to me. marv was clearly the more likely lynch and it would have made more sense to vote with others in order to ensure your reads are lynched.
As for risk.nuke, my read isn't as strong: I really disliked how he didn't seem to care if marv shot VE. Especially after he said he was leaning slightly scum on marv for not seeing how townie VE could be. risk.nuke gives me this sense of not really caring who gets lynched or who gets shot, which has me leaning SK on him. risk, why you were willing to let marv shoot VE? Do you think VE is scum?
LOL so you voted cause I was away from the thread (and you ignore my comments about his answer in my second post after a post about how I was at a bar) and you then you vote me because I am sure that Marv is scum or sk and want to lynch him?
Wow VE how much better does your decision feel now
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On June 28 2012 02:39 Snarfs wrote:
Wow. I'm sorry for not posting my reasoning for Mattchew before I left, but I really didn't have time.
-snip-
a) His asking marv a question at the beginning, then not checking back 7 minutes later to see the answer nor comment seemed like it was a really easy way to fake a contribution.
DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE THE HUGE CONTRADICTION HERE
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On June 28 2012 03:15 Snarfs wrote:
What? I wasn't convinced marv was scum so I switched my vote to one of two people I thought could be scum and would have a decent chance of being lynched.
How does that compare to your seeming lack of care about what marv's answer to your own question was? Hell, you claimed not to like his answer and that he was grasping at straws, and then you never pushed him further, you switched to MrZ and rastaban...
I have always pushed Marv as a candidate for lynch. Day 1 did he have any chance of getting lynched? Day 2 when the votes actually mattered, where was my vote? Oh right it was on Marv. I forgot that voting Rastaban forced me to stay with Rastaban the entire day whether he would get lynched or not. I wanted to push Rastaban to get him lynched. I still think he is scum, I still want him lynched. I voiced that I would vote Marv should Rastaban not be getting the votes to get lynched.
Once again, the option to type ##unvote DOES IN FACT EXIST
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Hey VE, can I sell you on a Xsksc/rastaban/snarfs scum team with a Marv SK?
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On June 28 2012 06:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here are the scenarios as I seem them (speaking from the perspective that you actually have a shot and will use it tonight and are going to call your shot) if you shoot Matt.
1) VE is town
- Scum will either allow you to kill him and it would have been a mislynch yesterday anyway. Your shot pseudo confirms your claim
- or scum will RB you
2) VE is scum
- Scum will either RB you
- Or scum will let you kill VE. -1 scum, your shot pseudo confirms your claim.
3) VE is SK
- If he hasn't been shot yet, and he chose 1 shot bulletproof, then he might soak it up.
- Scum might RB you
In either scenario, you either soak up an RB or your shot goes through and you're pseudo confirmed. In this way, we either get to flip Matt or get information through other night-actions that may exist. In 3, if you shoot him, he lives and you're not notified of RB then you'll know you've found SK unless someone claims medic who protected him (because we do NOT get hit notifications)
Am I missing anything?
You could literally do this of anyone.. see
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On June 28 2012 06:11 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 06:11 Mattchew wrote:On June 28 2012 06:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here are the scenarios as I seem them (speaking from the perspective that you actually have a shot and will use it tonight and are going to call your shot) if you shoot Matt.
1) VE is town
- Scum will either allow you to kill him and it would have been a mislynch yesterday anyway. Your shot pseudo confirms your claim
- or scum will RB you
2) VE is scum
- Scum will either RB you
- Or scum will let you kill VE. -1 scum, your shot pseudo confirms your claim.
3) VE is SK
- If he hasn't been shot yet, and he chose 1 shot bulletproof, then he might soak it up.
- Scum might RB you
In either scenario, you either soak up an RB or your shot goes through and you're pseudo confirmed. In this way, we either get to flip Matt or get information through other night-actions that may exist. In 3, if you shoot him, he lives and you're not notified of RB then you'll know you've found SK unless someone claims medic who protected him (because we do NOT get hit notifications)
Am I missing anything? You could literally do this of anyone.. see I wasn't on the block yesterday Matt, you were. You missed the point entirely.
You shoot VE, he is either scum saving matt or he is townie save matt... you can draw plenty of conclusions about the scenario from that opinion too
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Its fucking hysterical that VE believes marv's claim enough to talk about it this much with him when he calls him scum the whole game. gah have I been wrong about the sides in the Marv/VE war this whole game.... fuck
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On June 27 2012 13:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
[b][blue]Night action deadline is 21:00 GMT (+00:00); it is 17 hours from now. Daypost up one hour after that.
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So i think deadline has past, but i think we have 30ish minutes till daypost...
if this is true, who'd you shoot?
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On June 28 2012 06:31 Probulous wrote:
Hi guys just woke up.
Mattchew you said you pushed Marv all day long on day 1 but from what I read you only asked him the question and the pointed that you thought him suspicious. I even had to prod you for your opinion on him. Will check quotes when I get to a computer.
Voicing suspicions does not equal pushing to you? and you didn't prod it out of me, I talked about him the moment I returned to the thread
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On June 28 2012 06:37 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 03:26 Mattchew wrote:On June 28 2012 03:15 Snarfs wrote:
What? I wasn't convinced marv was scum so I switched my vote to one of two people I thought could be scum and would have a decent chance of being lynched.
How does that compare to your seeming lack of care about what marv's answer to your own question was? Hell, you claimed not to like his answer and that he was grasping at straws, and then you never pushed him further, you switched to MrZ and rastaban... I have always pushed Marv as a candidate for lynch. Day 1 did he have any chance of getting lynched? Day 2 when the votes actually mattered, where was my vote? Oh right it was on Marv. I forgot that voting Rastaban forced me to stay with Rastaban the entire day whether he would get lynched or not. I wanted to push Rastaban to get him lynched. I still think he is scum, I still want him lynched. I voiced that I would vote Marv should Rastaban not be getting the votes to get lynched. Once again, the option to type ##unvote DOES IN FACT EXIST The bold is not true. You did not push Marv as a lynch day 1. In fact you have not pushed a lynch at all. Yesterday you posted your cases and then dissapeared. Then come deadline you got all huffy survived the lynch and left.
Your entire opinion of me is completely skewed by the times that I have been around and able to post. Would you like me to show you pictures of all the different things and places I have been to validate the activities I have done while not in the thread?
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On June 28 2012 06:44 Probulous wrote:
No Matt it isn't. Why did your case on Marv appear day 2 when apparently you were pushing him for a lynch day 1? Even then he wasn't your strongest read. Like I said when I get to a computer I will pull the quotes up and show you but you only posted on Marv after prodding(sure you were away) but then you added nothing of value and didn't vote for him. That is not pushing a lynch.
so we are using the term differently. He wasn't EVER my strongest scum read. But I would have lynched him (not over Zentor or Rastaban)
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EBWOP: we are using the term push differently
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inb4 SK marv says he's roleblocked while killing someone other than VE
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On June 28 2012 07:04 marvellosity wrote:
inb4 you're a retard matt.
your lucky i like you out of game or i might take offense and ragequit TL Mafia over things like this
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1 Snarfs
2 Mattchew
3 marvellosity
4 Shraft
5 risk.nuke
6 rastaban
7 prplhz
Ok it is now stupid to believe marv to be anything but vig
I have had a strong town read on Risk since like literally day 1
I know I am town
This leaves shraft rastaban prplhz and snarfs
I 99.9% know that these are the 3 scum and 1 sk
However Marv, my vote belongs with you, as you are the only confirmed town we have, and being that theres only 3 of us left, town +sk will have to follow you to win
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If noone counterclaims Risk being roleblocked he is basically confirmed too
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Since day 1 it's been pretty easy to see how it's 3 scum team... 2 scum and 1 sk would mean scum could lose before day2 which I don't think any host would allow... Marv I would think that sk is hunting scum last night which is why I think they rb'd risk he has laid low like an sk
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