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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 12:19 GMT
#745
Nope, no-one else I would consider. I'm 100% on him.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 12:34 GMT
#747
Fine. But lynch him tomorrow.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 12:55 GMT
#753
On June 26 2012 21:51 prplhz wrote:
Hey Mattchew why am I scum again?


you really don't read the thread do you

On June 26 2012 21:33 Mattchew wrote:
Then you can hang I have an extremely strong townread on VE

Also, I'm an idiot and forgot zeph died so my thoughts on prp are completely invalid... Rasta and Marv for scum it is

##unvote
##vote marvellosity

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 12:58 GMT
#756
On June 26 2012 21:53 prplhz wrote:
I kind of agree with risk.nuke that marvellosity doesn't look scum. I have no idea about the SK thing or what the "SK profile" is. I just think that marvellosity was out of a sticky situation looking kind of alright if he was scum (the day1 tunnelfest) and then he decided to engage in it again out of the blue on day2 when it should be pretty obvious that he would end up looking horrible, makes no sense at all to me. It's really that simple.


yes, it really is that simple, but town is derping superhard. Of course my play day 1 is largely to blame, but town are being superdumb at the moment.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 13:00 GMT
#757
On June 26 2012 21:58 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 21:53 prplhz wrote:
I kind of agree with risk.nuke that marvellosity doesn't look scum. I have no idea about the SK thing or what the "SK profile" is. I just think that marvellosity was out of a sticky situation looking kind of alright if he was scum (the day1 tunnelfest) and then he decided to engage in it again out of the blue on day2 when it should be pretty obvious that he would end up looking horrible, makes no sense at all to me. It's really that simple.


yes, it really is that simple, but town is derping superhard. Of course my play day 1 is largely to blame, but town are being superdumb at the moment.


And it's part of the reason I really think VE is scum. He is good enough to know this too.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 13:05 GMT
#759
prlphz - I urge you to go read LI where VE was scum and also got 'emotional'.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 13:11 GMT
#760
Like seriously. Here's a quick selection of quotes I grabbed from LI:

On April 12 2012 01:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
I SWEAR TO CHRIST IF YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES MAKE ME CLAIM


On April 12 2012 05:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
NISANI IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHECK RTFT


On April 12 2012 05:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
I like how everyone likes my fucking scum-suspects and likes me for scum. This town is absolutely unreal.

Someone, PLEASE give me a reason not to clock out. Please.


On April 12 2012 06:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Those are all rhetorical questions I'm not supposed to answer - they're asked designed to prove your point...I can't respond to things like "wtf" and "what kind of play is that?"

Fucking my play motherfucker what do you want me to say?


On April 12 2012 06:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Fuck off with that Bugs, you're not interested in helping town either. You're shutting out the possibility that I'm telling the truth because it doesn't fit with your initial read of me. GUESS WHAT BUGS YOUR FUCKING EARLY READS ARE BALLS! MINE ARE BADASS! GET THE FUCK OVER IT


On April 12 2012 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 06:51 EchelonTee wrote:
On April 12 2012 06:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Fuck off with that Bugs, you're not interested in helping town either. You're shutting out the possibility that I'm telling the truth because it doesn't fit with your initial read of me. GUESS WHAT BUGS YOUR FUCKING EARLY READS ARE BALLS! MINE ARE BADASS! GET THE FUCK OVER IT

yup this guy is totally not disrupting thread. this is definitely a constructive, confident town player who has come a long way from being a terrible, disruptive, vengeful player.

/sarcasm


Seriously? Really? You just said that?

Yeah I'm done. Enjoy your loss town. I fucking tried.

gg scum.


On April 12 2012 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Bugs my vote was my breadcrumb! I fucking posted a VER case for Christ sake! Do you really think I'm comparing myself to Ver? REALLY?

REALLLLY?

But you know, whatever. I've explained all of my motivations. You choose not to believe them. That's your thing, not mine. I'm absolutely satisfied with my play this game. You should be ashamed of yours. We'll be having words in post-game sir, believe that.


On April 12 2012 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 06:59 EchelonTee wrote:
On April 12 2012 06:57 FourFace wrote:
Is there any chance that VE, Toad and wbg are all town and scum is stroking on laughter right now?

It's possible. If so then I'm taking a looooooong break from mafia games. sigh. I bet Adam as scum is laughing his ass off in scum QT. why didn't I roll scum this game...

VE, I don't mean that as a personal offense. It just completely and utterly looks like you are scum and not town. If you're actually town, then, well fck I can't fathom why you would do things you did.


It's genuine frustration. But you know, believe what you will. I can't make you people read.


On April 12 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 07:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
On April 12 2012 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Bugs my vote was my breadcrumb! I fucking posted a VER case for Christ sake! Do you really think I'm comparing myself to Ver? REALLY?

REALLLLY?

But you know, whatever. I've explained all of my motivations. You choose not to believe them. That's your thing, not mine. I'm absolutely satisfied with my play this game. You should be ashamed of yours. We'll be having words in post-game sir, believe that.


no you didn't LOL

The only reason I voted you to begin with was because you didn't explain your motivations. Toad being scum because I didn't agree with you is total bullshit.

Toad being scum because you got a red check is also total bullshit, and you know that. No DT can know his sanity on day 2. You can POTENTIALLY know by day 3, but that means you won't have a useful check on day 3. Thus, DTs in this game are useless until day 4 at the very least, and if you were a town DT you would KNOW that and would not choose to claim today, because you would know you would be roleblocked from then on out.



Dude what the FUCK? I posted TWO HUGE POSTS explaining why I think Toad is scum. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH EITHER OF THE THINGS YOU JUST SAID AT ALL.

All I've been asking you to do is read 2 posts. Yes Bugs, they're big. Yes Bugs, it might take you 5 or 10 minutes. I'm fucking sorry I'm verbose. But please read them. My read on Toad has nothing to do with the check, as I've insisted SEVERAL times. Why did you even post this? Are you seriously TRYING to get a rise out of me?


On April 12 2012 07:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I got excited with a red check and forgot Bugs, I'm fucking human. This game isn't about "who can remember their role the best" it's "who can find and eliminate scum". One of them is me. One of them is not.

But you don't care about that shit do you? You're not REALLY finally actually listening to reason, you're just making me keep talking to shit up the thread whilst NOT reading my cases some more.




On April 13 2012 06:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 06:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
On April 13 2012 05:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because I WAS ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED BUGS


a town DT would not claim in that situation to save himself.

Only scum would claim in that situation to save themselves, because scum know that townies would be wary of lynching a blue. Townies would know this too, sure, but they would also weigh the fact that they would become completely useless afterward, they would know that they would waste the day by forcing the issue, and they would know that they would cause town to lose if they had the wrong check on their target.

Since you thought of none of those things, you have to be scum.


Guy, the thing is that I'M NOT COMPLETELY USELESS AFTERWARD!!! I FIND SCUM!!

Jesus, you think it's all about the claim and the role - I don't give a FUCK ABOUT BEING A DT. I care about being alive longer SO TOWN CAN WIN THE GAME.


On April 13 2012 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
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[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 13:12 GMT
#762
My favourite in the middle - "it's genuine frustration". nuh uh.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 13:12 GMT
#763
as we're on a new page, really do go look at those quotes.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 13:26 GMT
#765
That's because VE isn't in danger of getting lynched here.

My point was that VE is quite capable of displaying a lot of 'emotion' as scum, all faked.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 13:33 GMT
#768
I don't risk, it was aimed at prplhz who said his emotion while arguing with me seemed townie.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 13:37 GMT
#770
explain your vote a bit dear
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 13:42 GMT
#773
that's not an explanation ^_^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 13:44 GMT
#776
I'm fairly sure I know what risk's explanation is, but I want to hear it from him.

xsksc, can you work out what it might be?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 13:45 GMT
#778
On June 26 2012 22:44 risk.nuke wrote:
marv. silence.




*tail between legs*
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 14:36 GMT
#784
Relatedly, do you still think rastaban is scum risk?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 14:42 GMT
#787
On June 26 2012 23:39 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not sure yet. Innocent untill proven guilty.


you've previously been confident enough to place a vote on him, what changed?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 15:01 GMT
#790
On June 26 2012 14:37 Snarfs wrote:
I don't want to regurgitate a bunch of opinions others have stated so I'll try to be concise in summarizing my own feelings.

- I agree that marv's case on VE was entirely a stretch. To reference his conclusion:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 00:33 marvellosity wrote:
Conclusion: All his scumhunting is a sham. He knows and states I'm an excellent scum player, but somehow then thinks I would come into this game as scum and play scummily. He twists my words. He never talks about rastaban despite promising to, despite saying he didn't want to lynch Zentor and rastaban being the main alternative. In fact he never pushes any alternative. Pushes prplhz because it's an easy thing to do.

- It's all WIFOM for us to guess what you would do as scum
- You're exaggerating to say that he twists your words
- Yes, he never talks about rastaban, but that is a null tell - both scum and town can get busy and/or forget to respond to certain things
- He pushes you and prplhz and at least mentions his suspicions of zephir, plus you're clearly his biggest scum read


Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 11:42 Probulous wrote:
marvellosity


[--snip--]

TLDR: marvel was caught off guard by Mattchew's question and chose to throw it back to the thread. This in itself could be a town response but when he told us that his scummy behaviour made him town, he hit on a plan to ensure he wasn't lynched. He knew his initial response was inadequate but chose to use his scummy response as a tool to cause confusion and shit up the thread. By never taking the multiples chances he had, to clarify his original position, he ensured that the mess continued for as long as possible. Whenever VE or I pushed him to contribute he could just reply with his meta defense that he cannot be scum because scum would never do this. If we believe that, then we would never lynch anyone. If he had just stated the truth, that he responded rashly and would take the time to provide a proper answer, I would have dropped this case. But his insistence that it takes up as much of Day 1 as possible makes me believe he is mafia.

##Vote marvellosity

- Why would town continue to be vague and confusing in their responses after seeing that people thought it was scummy?

I have to agree with Probulous's case here and Shraft's own recently posted opinions. marv consciously played an anti-town day 1 and I just don't believe that he would do that as town after being mislynched so recently in a similar game.

##Vote marvellosity


@Mattchew: You list marv as one of your scum reads; yet for some reason you think that rastaban is a better lynch today? You even say that "Either way [marv] eventually needs a noose." So why bother prolonging this if you're that sure he needs to hang? Protecting your scumbuddy?


Snarfs is scum, imo. References a 'recent' town game and says how I would behave. Ignores much more recent scum game dismissing it as wifom.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 15:17 GMT
#791
His argument is thusly:

He's played this was as town before, so he can't be town!
He's not played this way as scum, so I'm going to ignore that fact and say he must be scum!

Logic fail.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 15:17 GMT
#792
EBWOP: this way*
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