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i'll start reading the guides now. ^.^Newbie Mini Mafia XVIII
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On June 25 2012 11:20 Release wrote: I think Mafia is a very intricate game, and to say Lynch those who do not tell the truth is retarded. The Mafia knows the truth about the town. Townies know nothing (or very little). So in your scenario, the Mafia would never get lynched because in theory, they could always tell the truth. On the other hand, a honest and earnest townie may be pouring his heart into a case on another townie (calling him scum) and he is not telling the truth. That townie would get caught in a lie and would therefore deserve to die, in your opinion. I believe that we should be honest, because as a townie, we have no way of knowing if we are telling the truth or not. ##FOS: Release this seems like very flawed logic to me. You can very well accuse someone of being scum without lying. Saying things like "I 'think' X is scum" ; "i 'suspect' X of being scum" and so forth and giving logical reasons on what led you to this conclusion is in no way come by as a lie. Of course if someone bluntly states "X is scum" without reasoning behind it, it is pretty surely much more suspicious for the poster itself. in my opinion you just try to stir up this whole thing a bit, by directly voting for him, so I'll keep my eye on you. | ||
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And while blazing in your example states that toad is scum and that's not the case, it should be pretty obvious that that he is just suspecting it, because there is no way of him knowing it for a fact. But that might be just arguing semantics at that point, let's drop it. Instead I would like to hear what policy you would suggest, since you are obviously not happy with the policy that was originally proposed. Maybe I like it better than the original one too, I am not too familiar with different policies in this game. | ||
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On June 25 2012 12:06 Release wrote: And why do you seem so satisfied to leave the discussion at policy? That's all we have talked about besides formality. What i posted will generate (and it has) discussion which is good for town. By saying this, you are saying that you would prefer to sit back and talk about nothing/policy all day. That is not what that was trying to say. I was just saying directly voting for him seems a bit severe to me, and like a complete overreaction for what he has done (which is propose a policy). I guess you just wanted to take a shot in the dark, because the reasoning behind that vote seems very thin to me. | ||
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who is trying to avoid you? I was just of the opinion that this discussion got to a point where it's really fruitless. | ||
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he strikes me as the guy who wants to stay under the radar the most, swim with the stream. I'm not really seeing any REAL tells by the guys you all voted on so far. even though hopeless's switch of 'targets' seems a bit odd to me, it just seems to me that he just did not post a "yeah okay, you are right, lynching lurkers might be better". lynching someone just based on such a 'missing link' seems hapharzadly to me. Release might want to play the "i'm so active in this thread there is no way that you can really see me as a threat"-card, but again, so far he has not given any real tells, besides his very fast vote, which might just be a way to start a discussion, that might very well just be his play style For the judgement of BioSC i'd like to refer to Vivax's post here, since this basically said everything I thought. I really hope you people don't get into the hopeless1nder vs BioSC fight, and instead really think about if all the stuff they said really makes them look like scum. | ||
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first of all sorry for my inactivity in the past 24 hours, i meant to check in but i kinda forgot :/ after reading everything that has been said in my absence, i come to the conclusion that there's too much bandwagoning going on. This might not neccessarily be a bad thing though. It might very well be, that all the people, who made a major case out of Vivax are scum. I'm pretty sure Esspen is scum, reason behind it being that he changed his mind about 5 minutes before the deadline to kill off hopeless instead of roflwaffles, whom i still consider to be scum as well. JingleHell (roflwaffle's replacement) is the other one who is making alot of ruckus in Vivax's general direction. Overall this whole case against him seems like a VERY good distraction from this little head-over-heels misshap that could've been disasterous for scum if it wasn't swept under the rug by a lot of commotion. The reason why i vote for Esspen and not for JingleHell is that, Esspen's posts overall are just confusing, not really helpful, and even if all my suspicions on them were wrong and they really would be townies, he seems the better guy to lose of them. | ||
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On June 29 2012 10:00 Miltonkram wrote: Let's take a look at what dNa just said: Not good reasoning. We're here to lynch scum, not confusing/suboptimal players. dNa's reasoning reeks of scumminess. I think we just found our last scum guys. My plan is we lynch Vivax today, BioSC tomorrow, and dNa the next, though I really don't care about the order. Any takers? Another scummy point for Vivax: - He's been pretty content to sit back and just pressure lurkers. This is another deviation from his town play in NMM XV. I'd imagine a town Vivax would put a bit more effort into cases against active players. Pushing for a lurker lynch is a really non-confrontational move. Tralalala, obvious scum is obvious. Since Esspen has come under heavy fire, here's a town point in his favor. He's either making a ballsy scum move, or this is extremely pro-town. Offering to take the lynch in order to confirm that your reads are made in good faith isn't a move most scum would think of IMO. If the assumptions I've made on our scumteam are wrong, then I'll rethink taking Esspen up on his offer. I've got to take a rather long trip, my case on BioSC will have to wait for a little while. I'm feeling pretty good about this game I really enjoy where you put out all the reasoning behind my vote and just quoted the one thing that does not 100% point into esspen's direction, although part of it does. really great manipulation in this post, i'll give you that. to your points against vivax i'm only seeing alot of "metagaming" on your end, no actual tells in this game. in regards to your points about Esspen i agree, this is one thing not many scum players would have done... then again maybe he saw that after the history he has gotten in this channel, he has lost his value as a scum asset and therefore - after consolidating with his teammates, decided to make this move to: 1. appear not scummy for once 2. increase the amount of attention in regards to Vivax's case. | ||
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I trust Vivax' judgement, especially since i've been sure of jingle's (or rather waffle's) scumminess on day 1. I changed my vote to JingleHell, i strongly advise everyone else to do so as well. At this point I'm pretty certain that everyone who votes for Vivax is HIGHLY suspicious (I'm talking 90% scum). here is my reasoning behind this: If he indeed would be scum, There would be more people making a case for someone else. At this point the only one who IS making a case against someone else is me (and him of course). [this is the weakest point, it gets even better!] So, if you lynch Vivax now, He might or might not be scum. If he was scum, we have no tells about any other scum whatsoever, and the remaining scum is free to kill whoever makes the most sense. same with him being detective, but even worse, because we lost our detective. Here's what happens when we lynch JingleHell: If he really is scum (which i deem very likely at this point), we can be pretty sure that Esspen is likely to be scum as well, furthermore the rolecall has been made by Vivax, which means, while we still lose our detective, scum has either to choose between killing off one of the people who really make sense or the detective. Or he might be town, which gives us viable information regarding Vivax as well! Please people, vote with reason this time, vote for Jingle, let him hang. | ||
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after 2 mislynches, mainly because of him, there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that he is scum. Additionally he has a ton of scummy behaviour apart from those last minute votes. | ||
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