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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
June 26 2012 19:43 GMT
#227
Even after I pressured BioSC, he responded with an OMGUS and to me still has not contributed to any other discussions. Instead he has been trying to counter-case me. He did comment on Aegon lurking but never followed up.
His actions are not very committed to any stance except escaping from under my thumb. Things are said, but they are of very little consequence.

As for other lurkers, NrGmonk has let us know he is very busy. We've yet to hear from AegonC. Both of them have not really contributed to town. But BioSC has had plenty of posts and opportunities to chime in and support discussions and has not done so. Maybe he needs more time? Maybe I should let up? Who knows, but his actions paint him scum on my canvas and so I voted for him.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
June 26 2012 19:45 GMT
#228
On June 27 2012 04:33 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote:

Its also a plurality lynch: Whoever has the most votes in a given day gets lynched. Does not require majority. This also means that I am currently on the chopping block. Keep an eye out for bandwagoners.


I'm highlighting this for the guys who say they vote for the majority cause they fear No lynch (hey, Esspen).

No Lynch isn't possible here, you will only vote for the ones you truly believe to be mafia, and not try to hide behind the majority. If you do vote hiding behind a majority, it will come back to haunt you cause it's scummy.


I hope you wouldn't hold it against me if I bandwagoned to keep myself alive.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
June 26 2012 19:46 GMT
#229
EBWOP: At least for this Day. If there is a case that my death would definitely help town I wouldn't object (too strongly ;P)
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
June 26 2012 19:55 GMT
#230
My vote against BioSC boils down to:
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I think BioSC is Active Lurking.

Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
June 26 2012 21:32 GMT
#234
On June 27 2012 05:57 BioSC wrote:
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On June 27 2012 04:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
My vote against BioSC boils down to:
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I think BioSC is Active Lurking.




Phew... we finally learn what constitutes "Lurking" In the eyes of Hopeless. Here's the definition taken from his link.

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Examples of active lurking include posts made only of taunts, excuses for not posting, incoherent gibberish that will lead people to suspect that you do not have the Internet savvy to play Mafia, general bland agreement with whatever is going on, and so forth. For the less couth readers, this is frequently called "bullshitting" in MeatWorld.


Posts made only of taunts - nope
Excuses for not posting - nope
incoherent gibberesh - perhaps if someone didn't speak english, nope
Bland agreement - I'm the only one to make a case on you, so gonna disagree there.

I really hope people aren't buying his weak case over his obvious scummy actions.

I'm going to work out, be back in an hour and a half. I'll make some more reads if that's what you really want.


First off, those are examples, not an exhaustive list of what constitutes active lurking. Also:
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but the material posted is irrelevant or otherwise useless for scumhunting

See Also:

On June 26 2012 03:32 BioSC wrote:
@ JieXian - We have 48 hours from the day 1 post to decide a lynch target, and then 24 hours to submit night actions. The mafia get to shoot at this time as well. Then it all starts over.

This isn't all that bad, but it still counts towards my case against you. I would prefer to let the mods sort out the rules in the future



Secondly:
Posts made only of taunts (this ones a stretch, and one of the last posts hes made but still...implies I'm stupid.)
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On June 27 2012 05:52 BioSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 04:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
Even after I pressured BioSC, he responded with an OMGUS and to me still has not contributed to any other discussions. Instead he has been trying to counter-case me. He did comment on Aegon lurking but never followed up.
His actions are not very committed to any stance except escaping from under my thumb. Things are said, but they are of very little consequence.

As for other lurkers, NrGmonk has let us know he is very busy. We've yet to hear from AegonC. Both of them have not really contributed to town. But BioSC has had plenty of posts and opportunities to chime in and support discussions and has not done so. Maybe he needs more time? Maybe I should let up? Who knows, but his actions paint him scum on my canvas and so I voted for him.


If you really think my case against you was OMGUS, you need to learn what a case is.



Excuses for not posting:
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On June 26 2012 13:03 BioSC wrote:
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On June 26 2012 12:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
##VOTE BioSC

Who says I cannot maintain multiple policies. Not enough has been said for me to conclude that anyone has been dishonest. I do not agree with No-Lynch, especially in the early game.
Are you not a lurker BioSC? In what way...what have you done that suggests otherwise?

(p.s. I know I have to vote in the Vote Thread thread for it to count)


Sorry, I'm not going to make a case on myself for you. If you believe me to be scum, make the case. Look through my filter. I've discussed policy (Hint: I want people to post too)

You are voting for me? Why? Am I a lurker? I'm not even sure you know why you are voting for me. We've done and posted about pretty much the same things. So, I bounce the question back to you. What makes me a lurker, a candidate for YOUR policy, over someone who's filter I can quote in 4 lines?

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On June 17 2012 03:09 AegonC wrote:
/in

This is my first mafia game, I believe I am signing up correctly.

On June 25 2012 10:22 AegonC wrote:
Perhaps the best way to approach this situation is circumspectly, that is to say don't rush into any stupid decisions. I agree with Hopeless1der, truth should be our banner and justice our sigil!



Incoherent Gibberish:
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Okay you didn't meet this one...yet

Bland Agreement:
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On June 25 2012 11:01 BioSC wrote:
I like Esspen. A man after my own heart!

I've played in one other newbie mafia game, and lurking town + scum made it hard to make reads. So post, and post often, lest I find you and do horrible things to your bodies.

And hi everyone else!




Last thing:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 27 2012 05:57 BioSC wrote:

SNIP

I'm going to work out, be back in an hour and a half. I'll make some more reads if that's what you really want.

3 hours left to deadline at time of post. Which leaves you about an hour and a half for you to make some reads and allow people time to review in order to decide who to vote for. That's some serious scum maneuvering right there.

If people are unsure of whether to vote BioSC and are in a tossup between a couple of choices, I'd propose temp-voting BioSC until he at the very least provides the reads he has kind of said he'd be willing to do...you know, if that's what we really want
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
June 26 2012 22:47 GMT
#238
Well I dont plan on dieing...so

##Unvote BioSC
##Vote roflwaffles55
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
June 26 2012 23:22 GMT
#250
@NrGmonk: If you would rather not contribute to what you see as a mislynch, voting for yourself is not necessarily throwing the game. Some might see it that way, but you can almost always make a case for any action that isn't explicitly cheating. Only because of your posts in this and the other newbie game do I think you deserve to be able to do this today.

I know you have other obligations, but please keep up with the reading portion at least going forward so you don't get forced into something like this again. Thanks.

@roflwaflles55: I'm pretty sure you're voting for me because it gives you the best chance at survival. Bio and I are the only two to really rip into one another (so far to limited avail. But goddamn have we tried.)

Can't really argue to much since I just did the same thing.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
June 27 2012 00:00 GMT
#260
Man...and esspen just finished saying he felt he shouldn't vote for me.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
June 27 2012 00:04 GMT
#266
Gg. Also, plurality vote...wouldn't have mattered Viva.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 03 2012 01:18 GMT
#674
You know, Esspen's play has a glimmer of sense in it, aside from the voting for me. Somehow he thought we could help him protect the other blue roles. If he hadn't been so contradictory about his posts, we might have noticed his breadcrumbing his role as well:

On June 28 2012 21:57 Esspen wrote:
I'm terribly sorry for lurking, for some reason I thought we could not post during the night (based on what I read here: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Night ), and the day started for me at 2 am when I was already asleep.

My defence is that I'm not mafia. And I voted for Hopeless in the end because I've read all BioSC's case against him few minutes before voting and decided to vote for him, and in the worst case that he was townie I would just press against BioSC even more (which I'm going to do as of now).

Plus I'm good soul and like saving people.

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