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On June 27 2012 08:14 Esspen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 08:07 BioSC wrote:
EBWOP: That goes for Esspen as well. There is NO excuse. There are plenty of cases to choose from. How people are missing Hopeless' scumminess is beyond me, but do NOT waste votes like that. You are too easy targets for scum to manipulate your votes like that. There are cases, but those cases are not going to be lynched anyway as now it's either Hopeless or Rofl. I unfortunately cannot vote for Hopeless as only thing he's done is gone maybe too far with attacking you, otherwise I completely agree with him.
You aren't seeing my point. Voting for yourself does
NOTHING.
FOR.
TOWN.
As it is right now, Scum could have come into today, put all their votes on <insert random target here> and left, without saying a word, and he would be lynched. Do you really want town's major KP manipulated like that? I sure as hell don't.
Make a read on a case. Vote on it. There is NO excuse. This is how you play Mafia, and its what people should be doing. Otherwise, this game is a waste, for both town AND scum.
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On June 27 2012 08:15 NrGmonk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 08:05 BioSC wrote:On June 27 2012 08:04 NrGmonk wrote:
##Vote Keirathi
Rather random vote that won't affect anything, because I don't expect Keirathi to get enough votes to get lynched. Get your vote off of him. That is probably the scummiest thing you could possibly do right now. Can you tell me why, because I honestly don't know. Is it scummy because it's asshole-ish or because it makes me seem like mafia? I honestly haven't paid enough attention to the discussion to make an informed vote, so I'd rather make a vote that essentially won't count rather than adversely affect the game. I would vote for myself, but according to the rules, it says I have to try to win.
See my post towards Esspen.
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On June 27 2012 08:39 Vivax wrote:
I don't understand town atm.
We had policy lynch discussion just at the beginning of the game where the general consensus seemed to be lynch all lurkers.
I have yet to see one guy who says that we should lynch lurkers in absence of clear scumtells.
And yet there are people voting for all sorts of people except for AegonC, the biggest lurker (looks like there's gonna be lots to be replaced tho).
Did I miss any decisive scumtells out there?
I've made my case. This town seems so set on lynching lurkers that they can't see a scum right in front of their faces. It's going to be tough to motivate myself to play if this is the activity level I'm going to get from here on out.
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On June 27 2012 08:40 Vivax wrote:
EBWOP: I have yet to see one guy who didn't say that we should lynch lurkers in absence of clear scumtells.
The only one has been Hopeless, because his neck is on the chopping block.
The rest of town? Who the hell knows.
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Vivax: Its 15 mins to deadline, if Aegon doesn't show/vote, he's going to get modkilled. You should think about changing your vote.
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Whelp. Since half of the people in this game aren't interested in playing, I'm done trying to make cases. Wake me up when its Day 2.
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GG Hopeless1der.
I hope that town learns a lesson from this. Scum didn't even need to vote for Hopeless OR Rofl to get a townie lynch.
Lurkers, step up the posting. This is unacceptable.
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I stand by my case. I noticed he was constantly changing topics, and was a main point in my case against him. He reacted badly.
Why the hell would I want to add to an already useless topic? I wanted him to post more to see if he made any more scummy moves. He did, and I followed through. Sucks that he's town, but it is what it is.
I don't remember saying that it was a "Serious, life-threatening vote". It is a vote, however, and it got him nervous being under the spotlight. THAT'S on you.
Am I saying your scummy? ATM, no. But to say that his constant stance switching and bad posts were my fault is ignorant at best.
I was promoting posts. I didn't want to vote a lurker, but this game is so obviously full of them that it has to be looked into.
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If you are calling me out on trying to discuss useless topics, by your own definition both he and you were doing the same.
You called it "silly time wasting" and "f***ing semantics". What is your point? I've explained why I made that post.
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EBWOP: I need to refresh before making posts.
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Either way, this is getting us nowhere. We need to go back to hunting scum. I'm just afraid that there won't be much to go off of when I look through the filters again.
Springing to mind are a couple potential targets.
Esspen - wanting to vote for himself, I called him out on it, then ends up voting to seal Hopeless' fate. I would like to know why he voted for Hopeless, and why he didn't feel like explaining the vote.
Jiexian - Vote on release early on in the cycle, on to lurking. Could be the timezone difference, could simply be a scum allowing town to mislynch. Get in here, make some reads.
<insert random lurker here> - pretty self explanatory. I would rather focus on finding at least one scum tomorrow, but if I can't, the ones who were just barely above posting limits should be looked at.
Honestly, a 4 vote lynch in a 13 player pool is just silly. It's going to be even worse if there are 2 mod kills in this game. Hopefully they find replacements and they are active.
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The problem is... I can't even figure out a way to make it stop. Hopefully, the mods found replacements and they actually come in and have any kind of say at all in the game.
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GG Release.
Honestly, it isn't looking good for us right now. Not only was a KP killed at night, there has been a grand total of TWO (2) people to even bother to check in.
Esspen: Where the hell are you? Your vote and subsequent lurking are looking really scummy, man. Do you think that you can't save yourself? I beg to differ. Coming in and saying SOMETHING, anything at all, can help. Right now we have NOTHING to go on, and the 3 or so of us talking can't exactly make any headway.
Bass: You bring up some valid points. Obviously Esspen is acting scummy. I would be down with a vote on him, barring he come and actually bring up some amazing defense. What are your thoughts on some of the lurkers? Keiriathi comes to mind off the top of my head, posting early but obviously disappearing.
MiltonKram: Welcome to the game, I really hope you don't meet the same fate as your predecessor... >.>
Same goes to you Jingle. You already have 100% more contribution than your replacement, but as the 2nd highest vote getter (of a mislynch) I can't exactly just ignore that.
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I think you are confusing silent with making reads.
That post you quoted? Yeah, that's a bit of frustration pouring out. Obviously it fell on some ears, as the replacements flooded in and started posting. Heck, even you are here.
Honestly, If you were going to keep lurking, I would push to lynch you. Now that you are here, and have posted your reads, which of me or Vivax is the bigger scum read atm?
On June 29 2012 01:50 Keirathi wrote:
Sorry for my inactivity. Random bad time with tons of extra work, and a friend came in from out of town for a few days. I'll try to catch up tonight and give some input.
As much as it sucks to say, we don't have as much time as you probably think. I'm holding you to this post. Come in and post some reads, otherwise, this post sounds suspiciously like a scum "dodging activity" post.
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On June 29 2012 08:17 Vivax wrote:
There is one thing I did that is pretty failsafe proof of my townie status. I'll post it in the second half of day 2.
If you think you are a good townie, then you should have found it already. At least now town will know that there is at least one scum jumping on the bandwagon against me, and scum might even have started it.
Honestly, if you think you have some mysterious, game changing info to prove your innocence/explain all this round-about play you've had, why wait to post? Post it now, please. Info is what we need, there has been too many lurkers to keep waiting on information.
Esspen - I'm not getting into an OMGUS with you. If you think I'm a scum for making a case on a townie, well, not much to say about that. I've already defended myself on that front.
On June 29 2012 01:50 Keirathi wrote:
Sorry for my inactivity. Random bad time with tons of extra work, and a friend came in from out of town for a few days. I'll try to catch up tonight and give some input.
Yup. Still waiting mate. Here's a little motivation to not lurk and participate.
## Vote Keirathi
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What? I wake up to 2 fresh pages of thread? I'm proud of you guys.
Catching up now.
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On June 29 2012 22:56 Vivax wrote:Well, read the secret then, I don't even have to play with unrevealed cards cause I am going to die anyway: + Show Spoiler +Now decide if you would rather take the risk of lynching me or the guy who initiated all this bandwagon on me. It's sad however that noone suspected him besides me.
Are you really claiming DT? The only way I'm going to believe a claim like this 100% is if you flip. Though I understand your hand is kind of forced, as you are on the chopping block.
TBH, with the lack of breadcrumbs and play in general, sorry to say but I don't believe it. If you die today, and flip DT, then we can finally have a track to go on.
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On June 30 2012 00:44 Vivax wrote:
Lol Bio, you would rather lynch someone who claimed DT for information instead of the guy he's accusing?
You don't understand.
If you lynch the guy I'm accusing, you know if I spoke the truth and you still have the DT.
If you lynch the DT, you know the guy he accused is scum, but you lost the DT.
Why do you choose the worse option? Both give the same information, but one kills a blue role.
No. You lynch DT's to prove they are DT's. You could just as easily be scum fake roleclaiming to save yourself, and the possibility exists that there isn't actually another DT to counter-claim.
DT's just aren't supposed to be getting targeted this early, so your forced to claim. If you flip Detective, we know that your checks are 100% true. Weather they are accurate or not (Godfather, Miller, ect) is another story.
And like I said, I simply just don't believe you.
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On June 30 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:
So after catching up in the thread, 2 things stick out:
Why would you want to vote me if you're detective and have proof that someone is scum?
and 2, despite that, I actually feel inclined to trust the detective claim. There's really not much point tot he claim at that point if you're getting bandwagoned, because if you're wrong about the scum, then you just get lynched the next day, which doesn't really help the mafia out very much.
Although, you *COULD* be claiming det and giving up a teamate to appear clean for a while until someone else claims det and we are forced to decide who's lying.
Wrong. A mislynch is something that is ALWAYS good for mafia. Why would the scum team settle for just losing one of their own, when they could take a townie with them?
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On June 30 2012 01:31 Keirathi wrote:
Also re BioSC:
That's the worst logic I've ever heard. You kill the target the DT claimed as scum, NOT THE DT HIMSELF.
That would make no sense at all. Why would you not want more of the DT's info, assuming he is actually the DT?
Here's the possible ways this can play out:
1) We lynch Vivax. He flips DT, so we lynch Jester tomorrow and have 1 mafia down.
2) We kill Vivax, he doesnt flip DT. 1 mafia down.
3) We lynch Jester, hes Mafia. Mafia compatriats kills Vivax tonight. 1 mafia down.
4) We lynch Jester, hes Mafia. Mafia targets someone else. 1 Mafia down, mild suspicion on Vivax still, at least 1 more night of "investigations".
5) We lynch Jester, hes Mafia. Doc save on Vivax. 1 mafia down, and another night of confirmed investigations.
6) We lynch Jester, hes NOT Mafia. We lynch Vivax tomorrow.
It's pretty easy to see that 4 is our BEST CASE SCENARIO.
You are assuming. Why, in a game where we literally have NO IDEA who is what, what possible roles there are, ect. you are assuming stuff? I really can't believe this. There is only one way to make Vivax's claim true, and that is to flip him.
I honestly can't think of how all these wild assumptions are being made and then taken as true. I'm going to be comparing things I can actually see, which is posts/playstyle in this game.
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