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On June 30 2012 11:28 NoSmurfHere wrote: I'm not kidding, my role PM is like "you're a Role Name.". Let's kill this guy: ##vote mKmKmK My role PM also said I'm a "Role Name". So NoSmurfHere is definitely town in my books. | ||
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I agree that BKEXE's initial posts were a tad scummy. But what gave it away to me was that after casualman voted for him, both Mattchew and BKEXE immediately returned the favour and voted for casualman to be lynched. Both without any explanation other than saying "Wtf is this". And then later, both went MIA for quite a while instead of explaining their votes or trying to defend BKEXE. You may ask why would casualman throw his vote at BKEXE so early. It could be he is either just noob, or it could be he read BKEXE as scum (like many people are now) but just before a lot of people had the chance to. As for other players: I find many people are soft defending BKEXE and in their posts trying to put suspicion onto others (with little reason). I see these as scummy moves. | ||
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BKExe gained first suspicions. Votes were put on him. His posting increased at a rapid rate where he wasn't so much as defending himself as he was putting suspicion on others. There was also a increase of posting by a few others who were soft defending him while pointing fingers at others. mkmkmk get read as scum by numerous people. All while being pretty much just missing in action. Votes are pushed to him as an easy D1 lynch. Somehow (I have no clue how his posts were read as scum), people hint and drop Fox's name as a possible scum candidate. After testing the waters, a bandwagon is launched on him and it get's the votes. This lynch not only killed a fellow town, but it also netted 0 information on who else could be scum. I'd like to throw suspicion on those who are actively throwing suspicion onto others. As the people they are reading as scum are giving me no sense of scumminess at all. While the people who do appear scummy seem to have a team of like minded individuals backing up their claims and dismissing others. For the love of town, if you're town, don't settle for these mislynches. If we were going to lynch someone, it should have been someone that actually had people defending them. At least this way their death (in vain or not) would give us some valuable information on the people posting in this thread. Any lynch that doesn't support this idea, is a lynch that is proposed by the mafia, and we should look to those who propose it as our next targets. | ||
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PS. @ Mattchew Foxtrot by all means did NOT deserve the noose he got. He posted late, and said sorry for being busy. Is that an obvious "scum post"? Yes. So obvious that any scum with any sense would NOT post it. Any read on him being scum tells more about the person pointing fingers than it does on Foxtrot himself. Also, why should we noose twelve next? Did he push the bandwagon any more than you when it came to Foxtrot? No. Do you simply want to noose him or discredit him because he made some very good arguments in the past against you and towards the idea that BKEXE is scum? I'll let my fellow town member answer that last one themselves. | ||
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The only justification I can think of for the Foxtrotter wagon, was that there was a tie between BroodKingExe, Foxtrotter, and mkmkmk. Since they couldn't push enough votes onto mkmkmk to ensure BroodKingexe wouldn't get ninja lynched by some last minute votes, they sprung a new bandwagon on Foxtrotter. I do agree with Bill Murray in that some people who pushed for the Foxtrotter wagon need to be lynched. Although I'm curious as to who he thinks would be a good target. To me, the best target is already apparent. But since I have no good town read or scum read on Bill, I'd like to hear what he thinks. | ||
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See how it excludes BKexe for example? | ||
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If he's scum, everyone on that list is town. And we have 5 (6th person would have been foxtrott) people who can be labelled confirm town for the rest of the game. | ||
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And yes mkmkmk was in the lead but that was only at vote count. Prior to one of the vote counts someone mentioned it was 7/7/7 (mkmkmk, bkexe, foxtrott). Leaving it as anyone's game to determine who would be lynched. And if one of those 3 are Mafia, than that's something to spur some last minute vote changes and bandwagoning. I'd like to lynch whoever will give us the most information next. If you disagree with this, or see someone as SOOO scummy that it would be more beneficial to lynch them, than please feel free to try to dissuade me. | ||
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On July 02 2012 17:55 kingdedede wrote: Even if Mattchew is scum you're horribly wrong. Want to see how pro Mattchew is at bussing his teammates? Go look at holy roman. Every single one of his lynch targets was scum with him. I don't believe in taking peoples past actions and using them as some sort of meta in this game. Chances are if he made mistakes in previous games, he'd correct them in this one. If he made good memorable plays in other games, he'd use them to trick people into believing him this game. There's 26 people left in this game. If we can't lynch a red (we can't.. he's gotta be a half lurker at this point), we lynch who gives us the most information. | ||
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@ ET. Can you please add something constructive to our discussion here? | ||
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If your town, please post and discuss this with us. Else this is just going to be washed out by all the Mafia's random finger pointing / speculating / useless crap posts. | ||
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If we lynch Mattchew, it will give us the most possible information that a lynch can give us. That's the point I'm making here. | ||
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@ Acrofales, I have no clue how you can say ET Is making sense here. All he's doing is trying to shut down our suspicions, and here you are trying to branch onto a completely different topic. | ||
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I'm done here for now. If your town, please read and consider my posts. | ||
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1. He WAS a driving factor behind the Fox lynch. Him putting Fox on his list spurred the push to have Fox lynched. 2. This is possible, but if he was scum before, and made a list before, don't you read his making a list again as a possible tell that he could be scum again? Do you not agree that lynching him would give us the most information possible? and would be a good lynch, despite how strong your "reads" may feel to you? 3. The case on him, is that he was defended, softly, by a few people when he was put in hot water. Where as mkmkmk and FT (confirmed town now) were both not defended at all, yet had people bandwaggoning them like crazy (the same people who soft defended bkexe). | ||
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In this thread, mafia supporting mafia in misguiding train of thought that will lead to lynching mafia. | ||
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On July 02 2012 18:38 casualman wrote: I propose no talking during the night I'd agree if I wasn't so sure that this thread will be spammed up with mafia posting about their "reads" and "leans" and etc. while ignoring the main point being made here. I'll have to settle in for the night and return to this in the morning. If your town, read what was said here. | ||
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On July 02 2012 19:18 marvellosity wrote: basically i can see it's lynching for information. which is a god awful reason to lynch someone. Really? Worse then lynching someone for being a slight lurker? Do you know how to play this game? You killed a townie last night my friend. I suggest you spend more time thinking about your posts. | ||
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Also you say you don't like me gunning for someone right after a lynch. Did you not read Mattchew's first post after the lynch? He says Foxtrott deserved the be lynch anyway (as a semi-sorry lurker? what?) and immediately pointed a finger at twelve (how on earth is twelve scum?). | ||
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Drwiggl3s, I want to know one thing. On July 02 2012 18:19 drwiggl3s wrote: That's fine. Come up with a better vote then Mattchew, and I'd love to hear it. Anything that involves voting for a lurker, a noob, a troll, or whatever, is not one I'm interested when we can vote for someone who absolutely loves to spur confusion, and band wagoning, as well as soft defending someone I believe is scum (bkexe). If we lynch Mattchew, it will give us the most possible information that a lynch can give us. That's the point I'm making here. I want to know why you are pushing Mattchew now. You say BKE is scum. BKE had 7 votes on him at his peak on day 1. Why in the hell aren't you pushing that case, when there is such obvious support for it? ...okay I lied, more questions. What is this? On July 02 2012 17:47 drwiggl3s wrote: If you want the most information out of a lynch. Then when the sun rises tomorrow - we kill Mattchew. If he's scum, everyone on that list is town. And we have 5 (6th person would have been foxtrott) people who can be labelled confirm town for the rest of the game. On July 02 2012 18:15 drwiggl3s wrote: Whether or not Mattchew is scum is up for interpretation. But one thing that isn't, is that if we lynch him, and he turns as scum, then that will net us the most information. More then any other lynch that could be made right now. On July 02 2012 18:20 drwiggl3s wrote: I believe Mattchew is scum. I thought that was clear from my earlier posts. Yea no it's not clear. I frankly have no idea if you think he's scum or if you want to lynch for information. If we trust your last line, that means you have 2 scum reads right now (Mattchew and BKE). Information from the flip shouldn't even be a factor. You push your scum reads based on their scummyness, period. You are not doing this. Why? I think Mattchew and BKE are both scum. Why? Because anytime someone has been read as posting something even slightly scummy (or so generically scummy) Mattchew is one of the first to jump on them, and spur conflict. Except when people were bandwagonning onto BKE (for good reason I add), he always soft defended him, while pointing fingers elsewhere. That is why I think they are both scum. And since Mattchew has some interesting people defending him, has a list with 2 confirmed town on it, and already has ties to BKE, if we killed him it would give us alot of usable information if he flipped scum. On July 03 2012 06:49 Mandalor wrote: The more wiggles posted, the more weird his posts became. To a point where he made really odd mistakes (not scummy at all -> 100% scummy) I don't know, I hold onto my opinion that he's town for now. I know I put a lot more thoughts in my posts when I was mafia. I apologize if my posts were unclear. I said "not scummy at all" in the sense that his posts were innocent, but could be misconstrued as a "obvious scum post" (said sorry for being away, voted for mkmkmk without some detailed explenation, although he did give some explanation.. more then many other people who voted for mkmkmk). | ||
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I just meant that if you don't agree he's scum (I thought it was clear that I already had him pinned as scum at this point), you can still agree that if we lynch him it would give us valuable information on the people defending him, and BKExe (who he soft defended). Basically I'm saying that lynching Mattchew would be more valuable then lynching a random lurker and risk killing a slightly inactive blue, or town. | ||
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@marvellosity, thank you for another insightful and useful post! | ||
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On July 03 2012 08:54 ghost_403 wrote: @drWiggles: That's a solid 'meh' response. I had a quick read through his filter just now. He seems like an experienced player. He seems pretty helpful and actually cares about who he votes for. Not sure if he's scum or town exactly but has some good points to make and gives reasoning behind his decisions. If you think something else about him I'd be interested to hear it. | ||
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On July 03 2012 10:02 marvellosity wrote: P.S. ghost I already answered your question. If scum has a choice between two townies then it doesn't really matter so much which they decide to lynch. You're reading too much into the switch. I really disagree with this. The switch to FT could be because it was apparent that mkmkmk would be mod killed anyway. This has been stated already by Mandalor. On July 02 2012 18:55 Mandalor wrote: I think you're talking to vivax, but I'm gonna answer this for myself: Possible modkill of mK. If mK is town and inactive, there's a chance he will be modkilled and mafia could get two kills in pretty much one day by swaying the public opinion to another townie. The switch also could have happened so mafia could pin down two people to be lynched first. FT for innactivity and his vote on mkmkmk. And then if mkmkmk didnt get modkilled they could easily push for him D2. | ||
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Goodluck town! | ||
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