TL Mafia LVI

On June 13 2012 06:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Your lions will be refunded if someone else gets to your target first.

On June 29 2012 05:14 Drazerk wrote:


Not Norway?

On June 30 2012 06:36 Acrofales wrote:
Nvm. Drinking beer is bad!

On June 30 2012 10:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
BKE, that sounded like a radio-show call-in.

"Yeah, I've got this FRIEND, okay? NOT ME, IT'S A FRIEND! Anyway..."

lol

For my part, I'm going to be treating new players the same way I'd be treating anyone else - I'm going to tunnel them hard until they shoot me in the face. Obviously it's going to be harder than discerning the intentions of people who "should know better" or whatever, but that's all we can really do.

On July 01 2012 10:23 NoSmurfHere wrote:
You seem to sincerely believe in such terrible logic, so you're probably town. However I'm not voting BKE just because it's day 1. I don't think anything he's done or said is so far particularly scummy. At no point have I agreed with that terrible case, so why bother acknowledging that the rest of you are idiots for bandwagoning him?

On the other hand mafia lurk to shake suspicion ALL the time. mK seemingly has done exactly this, and if he's mafia certainly it's working.

So, in this case, obviously I'm far more inclined to believe that the guy who is actively trying to stop a bad lynch is town whereas the scummy lurker is not. If mK is town he has a huge incentive to address the votes on him and make a case on his scumreads rather than disappear immediately after voting. Also speculating about his status is pretty stupid when I voted for him fairly quickly after he posted.

On July 01 2012 12:38 NoSmurfHere wrote:


this is a good case and these are all things I picked up on myself when I read mandalor's posts.

I am completely fine with Mandalor and mKmKmK being lynched today. Anyone else will take some serious convincing. For now I'm going to keep my vote on mK, but in the interest of consolidation and actually lynching someone I have a scumread on, if that lynch doesn't fly I'll push Mandalor with you.

On July 01 2012 22:44 austinmcc wrote:
However, I'd love for him to clarify his first post, given all this discussion. Broodking, you say that you don't consider those with 4 or 5 games newbies. The rest of the players seem to disagree, and I know that I do (no more newbie games allowed =/= not a newbie in my mind). IF you accept a much more broad definition of noob, like the thread seems to want, would you alter your first post? Should people with something like 4-8 games be treated like the noobs in your post, or treated like more seasoned players?

NoSmurf, initially I read you as one of the more sensible and townie folks in the thread. However, this caught my eye somewhat:





Care to explain your train of thought? Over the course of 2 hours, you went from "probably town" to "completely fine with Mandalor lynch/scumread on Mandalor." Would like for you to articulate why you changed your read there.

On June 30 2012 12:14 drwiggl3s wrote:
Hi all. First game + first post playing mafia so bare with me.



My role PM also said I'm a "Role Name". So NoSmurfHere is definitely town in my books.

On July 01 2012 05:13 drwiggl3s wrote:
Ok since some people asked, here's what I'm thinking.

I agree that BKEXE's initial posts were a tad scummy. But what gave it away to me was that after casualman voted for him, both Mattchew and BKEXE immediately returned the favour and voted for casualman to be lynched. Both without any explanation other than saying "Wtf is this". And then later, both went MIA for quite a while instead of explaining their votes or trying to defend BKEXE.

You may ask why would casualman throw his vote at BKEXE so early. It could be he is either just noob, or it could be he read BKEXE as scum (like many people are now) but just before a lot of people had the chance to.

As for other players: I find many people are soft defending BKEXE and in their posts trying to put suspicion onto others (with little reason). I see these as scummy moves.

On June 30 2012 14:23 casualman wrote:
I love to bandwagon. Being a newb, I can read nothing from these posts and will blindly trust in authority figures. Woohoo!

##Vote BroodKingEXE

You may ask why would casualman throw his vote at BKEXE so early. It could be he is either just noob, or it could be he read BKEXE as scum (like many people are now) but just before a lot of people had the chance to.

On June 30 2012 12:14 drwiggl3s wrote:
Hi all. First game + first post playing mafia so bare with me.

On July 01 2012 05:13 drwiggl3s wrote:
As for other players: I find many people are soft defending BKEXE and in their posts trying to put suspicion onto others (with little reason). I see these as scummy moves.

On July 02 2012 06:26 EchelonTee wrote:
Foxtrot and kthez look bad.

On July 02 2012 07:46 austinmcc wrote:
My vote is currently on mK. However, for anyone uncomfortable with their current lynch candidate, I'd suggest taking a look at drwiggl3s. Seriously.

The Good Doctor's filter is the following:

(1)
As has been mentioned, the OP had the "role name" bit, and we can assume if scum got a VT fakeclaim it had the same text. Role name wasn't indicative of mK's alignment, not indicative of the Good Doctor's alignment either.

(2)

The ol' ninja vote BKE.

(3)
Nine hours later

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Stop and read that third post. Please. The only post of any substance. The Good Doctor thought BKE looked scummy, but didn't mention that and didn't vote for BKE. However, after CASUALMAN of all people voted for BKE, BKE and Mattchew voted for casualman with little explanation. This makes BKE scum in drwiggl3s head.

Here is how casualman voted, by the way:Either casualman is trolling and trolling hard, or casualman just dropped a vote that legitimately should make every go "Wtf is this?" That's a legitimate response to casualman's comment and vote. BKE's wtf is this vote for casualman is the tipping point that makes drwiggl3s read BKE as scummy and vote him, which is a terrible reason given casualman's post and vote.

I don't necessarily read casualman as scummy yet, but drwiggl3s also drops a little explanation for why casualman dropped his stupid post. What is this? Seriously. What is this? Everyone reads casulman's post as trolling or stupidity, and here is drwiggl3s trying to defend another player's nonsense post without prompting. WHY is he doing this? Moreover, how in the world do you get "He might be new or he might have read BKE scummy before others did" out of casualman's post?

Finally, I have to point this out. Because I think drwiggl3s is lying.

I don't know about you guys, but I did a lot of lurking here before playing. drwiggl3s makes sure to tell us it's his first game, but then his only post of substance is describing why BKE looks a little scummier because people are SOFT DEFENDING BKE. That's not a "This is my first day cycle playing mafia" thought in my mind. That's not my thought process in the first thing I ever post. Either casualman is lying about not being a smurf, or casualman got fed that reasoning by scumbuddies. I actually lean towards the former, because casualman created his account 5/1/2012. Fresh account + "Oh I'm a newb, bear with me" + comments about soft defense = lying about being new in my mind.

***NEW ADDED POINT*** - anyone who thinks that drwiggl3s is ACTUALLY new is going to have to be convinced that him saying he's new outweighs the soft defense reference as well as the fact that he just happened to name himself drwiggl3s and joined mrwiggles' game. Does the naming thing not make others think smurf over new player?

tl;dr

• drwiggl3s ninja voted
• drwiggl3s later gave an AWFUL reason for his ninja vote that makes no sense
• drwiggl3s randomly props up casualman's ridiculous post
• drwiggl3s does not appear to be as new as he claims
• drwiggl3s hasn't really contributed anything helpful at all
• drwiggl3s is scum

I am currently voting mK. I am alright with my vote on mK. But the one player I'd absolutely be willing to swap to, or to try and get others to swap to, is drwiggl3s

On July 02 2012 22:26 marvellosity wrote:
austin, I don't particularly want to bash another player. He seems to have spectacular fails in logical and correct thinking.

Other than your "I don't think he's new point" can you particularly tell me why this is bad scummy as opposed to just bad townie?