EPTAnyway as for ET I agree. Besides Katina he's the scummiest vet in the game and something just feels wrongabout his play.
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Anyway as for ET I agree. Besides Katina he's the scummiest vet in the game and something just feels wrongabout his play. | ||
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Why focus on Mandalor and consider Hyaach but not consider, say, Twelve, or ShiaoPi, or Adam/maju? (does anyone else remember that those last two are actually in this game?) | ||
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Sure, he posts like a five year old, but even bad players can roll town. Twelve and Katina seem particularly interested in killing him, as people were interested in killing the lurking townies yesterday. My strongest reads are still Shiaopi, Katina, and Twelve, but none of these lynches interest anyone (probably because no one gives a fuck, as usual in the larger games) | ||
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make a case. Do something. The concern is legitimate and you've been so far utterly useless. You don't have the excuse of "it's day 1 anymore" (although that excuse was always bullshit anyway) we need thoughts IMMEDIATELY because the deadline is coming pretty quickly and no one wants to do anything. We've basically wasted 24+ hours. | ||
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On July 04 2012 21:33 Acrofales wrote: ShiaoPi: uncomfortable lynching him for reasons stated above. I don't see these reasons stated above | ||
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Most people agree that we should kill Twelve. There's like a couple dissenters but honestly that's a fairly good sign he's scum (particularly in that he just refuses to gain votes) Similar story for Katina-if either died today (and flipped scum obviously) I'd be happy. Acro, stay with me. ##unvote ##vote Twelve I can't reconcile why grush is acting the way he's acting to a town read so the best way to approach that is to consider him scum. I can't fit his play to his normal play. He was enthusiastic at the beginning and dropped off immediately (pretty uncharacteristic of him as town). In addition he had that weird BM interaction. Everyone seems to disagree with me on ShiaoPi, so I'm going to assume for now that I'm wrong. I'd rather not tunnel him to oblivion when there's no way he's getting lynched today. If he doesn't meet my standards then I'm going to continue to push him on later days. | ||
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I trust his judgment as I've been afk. Reading now | ||
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I knew Adam was scum too LOL. Let's kill grush, Twelve, ShiaoPi. Doing some more rereading | ||
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We should definitely kill grush at least though. We need to address these people who are skating by without getting attention. Allowing them to live while townies die because we seek active scum is a plan for losing. | ||
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she looks better, but no. I've been swayed by the number of people who say they disagree with her lynch, but agreement isn't something I'm concerned with, particularly as the only thing this town can agree upon is killing townies | ||
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However the content of her contributions is pretty useless. She wanted to lynch casualman and her thoughts on most of my reads were this: On July 04 2012 12:08 Katina wrote: Easy, I don't think Twelve, ShiaoPi, Adam/maju are scummy at the moment or at least not enough for me to push for them. Adam/maju haven't really posted much so I don't have enough of a read on them. I haven't paid enough attention to grush to get a good enough read. All those people I would like to see more from before making a confident decision on their alignment. If your going to make me pick one I would kill maju at this moment in time. I was merely posting my thoughts since I said I would and I have been busy for a lot of this time and haven't been posting as much as I would like. I didn't clarify my reads on Maju/Adam but basically I lumped them together because they were two lurkers who I thought had opposite alignments. as for the first two I thought both were scum at the time. Ultimately she backed down from both ET and twelve. Understandable NOW in retrospect based on the vote switch, but honestly she didn't do any work in pushing her lynch nor did she do any work in stopping twelve'ET from being lynched. She only commented on them when she was forced to comment by other players. Pretty sure she's scum for this because as town she fights to get her lynch of choice. I recall in Emergency she tunneled Blazinghand for hours because she basically knew him to be scum. She did similar things in Liar Game with Palmar and in countless other games where I've seen her be ignored by townies yet be completely 100% correct. Here her reads are being ignored because they're bad, and she's not pushing them either. We all know she's really good as town but she's not displaying this. | ||
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Since when have we known town Katina to have ignored 6 or 7 scummy players in the game? At the very least she will have acknowledged them or read them as scummy. She might be focused on one person but she isn't totally focused on that one person. I remember in MTG she was sort of like this. She tunneled some townie endlessly for no reason even when everyone else considered that guy just to be playing somewhat badly. Her play is a bit different here (she asked me postgame how to improve and maybe that's why) but not particularly different. If she steps up her game tomorrow then I'll gladly back off but her reads are too convenient for me to believe she is town. | ||
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If you don't explain why you have reads on the main candidates then you can't expect to actually contribute, right? Upon rereading your filter I've noticed that some of the things I've said are wrong. I don't think Mandalor is scum given that he was one of the only players Adam seriously attacked. It could have been an early distancing attempt but I find that a bit unlikely given that Adam gave some fairly strong reasoning for it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now. Why do you think ShiaoPi is town? | ||
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On July 05 2012 11:52 casualman wrote: vig if you would be so kind as to shoot twelve we can make a much better lynch in day 3 why do you play this game? | ||
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e.g. ghost needs to be protected. Mafia only has 2 KP; if we can force them to double stack or kill people some of us have suspicions on then that's great. Acro, myself, ghost, Mattchew, VE would all make decent prots. If you don't have a town read on one of these players then obviously don't protect them. If unsure just protect ghost. | ||
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My townread on Acro was based on him pushing BM so mercilessly. I actually considered for a time that he might be an active scum attempting to establish himself but I don't remember at which point I dropped him as a suspect; I suppose it was because there were too many people who were scummier than him. Let's see what happens in the next cycle. I'm still very interested in killing grush. ShiaoPi is still suspicious as well. I'll be back later if I'm still alive, gotta go to discussion for my class now. | ||
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##vote Twelve | ||
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Examine his BM interaction on d1 and you'll see that BM and Acro distance each other pretty heavily. BM's reasoning on voting Acro is incredibly strange and their interaction seems very forced. In addition I was wondering why Acro hardlined against BM so hard, without ever expressing even the tiniest doubt. He could have nailed him as scum 100%, but that type of thing is so unlikely on d1 that I find it rather suspicious in retrospect. like this post: On July 01 2012 16:11 Bill Murray wrote: vig shoot Adam first because he asked you to shoot broke the golden rule it's clear BM wasn't afraid of distancing himself from his buddies. So, it's more than plausible that some of the players that BM interacted with are indeed scum. Recall this: On July 01 2012 08:25 Bill Murray wrote: Acrofales FoS on BKX is fishy as fuck if BKX flips scum, will you all listen to me on acrofales? It's a JEEP tell for a FoS with a vote on someone else Acrofales did that, lets test BKX ##Unvote ##Vote: BKX finally, derp. Let's kill grush instead of Twelve, since my gut is telling me he's scum too, but I think he's actually more likely than Twelve to flip scum. ##unvote ##vote grush57 | ||
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On July 07 2012 05:18 ShiaoPi wrote: okay, after being out for some time I finally got to reread BKE's Filter. He is actively going under the radar (with success, I guess as I overlooked him day 2) and has not a mentionable amount of contribution. Also his votes were all on targets which were the current sentiment of the thread. Add that to his day 1 stuff and I say we got a solid lynch candidate. ##vote: BroodkingEXE Anyone notice the problem here? | ||
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