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Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 04 2012 00:19 GMT
#1142
Sorry guys, long day at work. Will update shortly as i catch up.
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 04 2012 00:39 GMT
#1145
Alright I'm going to try and clarify some things since apparently I didn't explain myself very coherently.

On the Foxtrotter swtich -

I had just got a scummy read on foxtrotter out of the thread. I checked the voting thread and saw that a large bandwagon had formed on him. When I went to find out why there was such a huge swing of votes towards him, I noticed that I had less then 1 hour to vote. Instead of figuring out exactly how much time I had I just "ninja" switched in both threads.

On saying "soooo, i guess i'll shut up :D " -

I had just posted a ridiculous conspiracy theory/rant against NoSmurfHere. I still think he is scum, but it was a bad way to present the information. Anyways, pretty much every single thing I wrote turned out to be false. NoSmurfHere cannot be ringleader because BM was the Ringleader. Rastaban cannot be NoSmurfHere's mafia partner because Rastaban turned up green. Once i knew the facts, I felt silly for posting my theory, and offered to shut up.
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 04 2012 01:13 GMT
#1147
@Acrofales

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On July 04 2012 06:01 Acrofales wrote:
Okay. I've read Twelve's filter and some of the points brought up about him. I now have a top 3 people I want to lynch. Twelve has some stuff that reads like scum. Compilation of the cases:

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On July 02 2012 04:17 Mattchew wrote:
Mattchew's People that need to die and why list

2. Twelve
Blatant contradiction in his first posts. Says he is all for Band wagon hatred, then jumps on the 2 bandwagons forming at that time (Kurumi and BKexe)
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On June 24 2012 10:45 Twelve wrote:
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On June 23 2012 14:17 Sinensis wrote:
On June 23 2012 13:19 grush57 wrote:
If you're too lazy to post about policy lynching me, then you would be too lazy to do anything else so goodbye, you would be useless to town anyways.


You try explaining to 30 people why they should hate someone they don't know yet.


I'm all for band wagon hatred! explain away


On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote:
My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts.

Follow this with his next 2 posts, the first with quite possibly the worst reasoning for a vote ever (read completely forced reasoning to try and continue a bandwagon), and then a post trying to be cutesy and buddying with the thread saying "don't take it personally" yuck.
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On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:
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On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:

Votecount:

VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman



This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!"

On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town?

On July 01 2012 17:12 Twelve wrote:
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On July 01 2012 16:07 BroodKingEXE wrote:
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On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:
On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:

Votecount:

VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman



This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!"

On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town?


Are you going to ninja vote me for posting a votecount? You got to be kidding me, own up to your vote and post it in the thread dude. Or are you a scum trying to jump the wagon unnoticed?


Not sure that ninja voting is against the rules, but just so we can stay friends:

##vote: BKX

I made my case against you, not really trying to hide anything. The current "bandwagon" against you is merely logical, nothing personal ^^



The #1 issue I have with these two reads that I can't seem to get over in my head is where Twelve calls out casualman. I can't tell if this is an act of distancing (which on day 1 would be pretty bold if they are both actually newb scum) or if they are opposite alignments.. I would like to hear opinions on this.


I don't know why Mattchew is making connection cases based on not-yet-flipped people, but of the two I think Twelve is more likely to flip scum and I think this case sums up his D1 behaviour. Twelve's defense consists mainly of "it was a joke" and some discussion about what a bandwagon is, which seemed okay when I hadn't read his filter and only saw the case in a list of scum. Now I'm no longer convinced.
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On July 02 2012 04:55 Twelve wrote:
@Mattchew

haha where to start...

My first post that you quote was from before the game even started, so it probably shouldn't be taken to seriously. I simply don't know anyone here and was trying to start a conversation. The fact that you see a contradiction is also puzzling I can sort of see how it could be misinterpreted that I was saying "I am all for the hatred of bandwagons" but thats not what I was saying. In fact I was saying the opposite, I was asking to be clued in so I could join a bandwagon, but this was largely a joke. Suffice to say, anything I said before the game officially started probably shouldn't concern town too much.

I do take issue with your use of the word band wagon though, upon reading the thread I found both BKE and Kurumi extremely suspicious, regardless of other players posts, and made my thoughts known. BKE says alot while conveying extremely little actual information, appearing to be helpful but really just mixing the pot. Kurumi writes long winded, somewhat schizophrenic sounding poems to his co-workers that are about as informative as a fortune cookie. I don't to see a vote count or FOS: BKE FOS:Kurumi for my brain to begin forming conclusions. As for the cutesy yuck bit, he seemed pretty angry that I would vote in the vote in the voting thread without warning him, so I tried to keep things light (read: I wrote something much ruder but thought better of it and decided to kill him with niceness :D)



As far as calling out casualman, I tried very hard to think of any strategic reason a town would vote for themselves and I could think of none. I had the same issue with VE voting for himself, but voted unvoted in the same post, sort of like lowering and raising a supply depot while you wait for your rax to build i guess, so I really don't have a problem with it going under the radar.




Bugs suggested this about his apeshit behaviour at night:
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On July 03 2012 07:04 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 03 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:
NoSmurfHere - here's a clue. You're not established.


even if I'm not established he'd just call me scum.

To call me godfather is stretching unnecessarily. It could only mean he already knows my alignment.

I don't really see a reason why a townie would call someone godfather. Scum pushing a townie, or scum distancing himself from an actual godfather are both better explanations.

I seem to remember there being another case against Twelve which was the one that actually made him blip on my scumdar, but I cannot find it. Anyway, yeah. I'm still not completely sure about Vivax, Katina has gone awol again. Lets kill Twelve.

##unvote
##vote Twelve


I am curious why you are quoting Mattchew to make your case against me. Mattchew never had a case against me, it never had any traction, He misread a post from before the game ever started and tried to point out my "contradictions". Ridiculousness.

The reason I said what I said about NoSmurfHere was because I wanted to get my notes out to a detective in case I died. Maybe indicative of newbieness, but I didn't want to die and not be able to say anything else.

Finally, would you mind revisiting your scumdar and finding an actual case against me? I'll gladly answer any further questions.
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 04 2012 03:59 GMT
#1161
I think that its important to note that a strong scum lynch is worth way more then a strong information lynch at this point, bringing the mafia KP down one
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 04 2012 06:15 GMT
#1164
I'm still thinking on this. I think casualman probably still our most likely scum lynch. I'll get back to you tomorrow morning on the info lynch.
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 04 2012 15:01 GMT
#1193
Well, I'm certainly not scum, and I think its interesting you are making asuch a strong push for me now. I'll be coming up with my votes shortly. Its still confusing why anyone would defend casualman, it seems we all still agree that there is ZERO reason a townie would vote for themeselves.
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 04 2012 15:08 GMT
#1197
I agree with Kitana and the causualman lynch.
##vote: casualman
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 04 2012 16:05 GMT
#1207
Not sure why vivavax is all over me, but he is barking up the wrong tree. I havent commented on ShiaoPi because I have a strong town feel for him.
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 04 2012 18:58 GMT
#1232
Waste of a lynch guys. Focus on people who are pushing for me. Or enjoy the 6 mafia kps tonight.
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 04 2012 23:40 GMT
#1271
My theory for NSH went like this:

I did not understand the mK bandwagon at all, and felt like it was mafia trying to get town to waste a lynch on a townie. It looked to me that if both Rastaban and NSH were scum, then there was a subtle play being made when NSH talked about there being no real "proof" in this game. Rastaban then starts asking for a roleclaim from NSH, which have lead to a false claim and a DT confirming it. It was a long shot, especially on D1.

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Waste of a lynch guys. Focus on people who are pushing for me. Or enjoy the 6 mafia kps tonight.

That was a typo should have been 3 kps.
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 04 2012 23:41 GMT
#1273
##unvote

if causualman is just a troll I dont want to waste it, we really need to lynch scum tonight
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 04 2012 23:42 GMT
#1274
i need to reread more, I'm kind of torn on casualman now. It seems you are all used to trolls in these games, which makes me kind of wonder why they are allowed in. I want to say BKE is my next highest scum read but im gonna rereade his filter.
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 04 2012 23:48 GMT
#1275
OK yea, BKE spends all of day two placing votes on who ever he wants, and once the Twelve lynch bandwagon takes off, he is 100% silent waiting for the day to play out. He was my origional scumread and his D2 play didnt really change anything there. ##vote: BKE
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 05 2012 00:09 GMT
#1277
np ShiaoPI , I had to try, I win if town wins. unfortunatly for town i flip green D: you all should worry a lot less about meta and a lot more about what is in front of you. gl hf
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 05 2012 00:18 GMT
#1279
well i don't know what else I could possibly say then, sorry i failed you town
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 05 2012 00:25 GMT
#1282
I guess I should switch to ET too since my BKE vote appears to be largely wasted.

##unvote: BKE
##vote: ET
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 05 2012 00:27 GMT
#1283
sorry i dont know what an echo-device is.
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 05 2012 00:30 GMT
#1288
scouts honor? scross my heart hope to die?
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 05 2012 00:32 GMT
#1289
EBWOP

Scouts honor! Pinky swear etc, I'm a good detective Kurumi! dont lynch me!
Twelve
Profile Joined September 2010
United States90 Posts
July 05 2012 00:34 GMT
#1291
BroodKingExe
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