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House Chezinu, 5th Party Recruitment ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TycID.jpg) Welcome everyone. This is the Director of Recruitment at House Chezinu speaking. Due to recent personnel shortages, we are now conducting a recruitment drive. Anyone who is a player in this game may join (excepting any and all self-identified House Chezinu enemies). To complete your application, you must go through three simple steps.
2. Claim any and all powers, abilities, restrictions, or requirements that you possess 3. Claim your win condition All members of House Chezinu must also swear loyalty to all board members, whose names (excepting for mine) will be revealed at a later time. Remember, the benefits are numerous, the downsides non-existent. Join House Chezinu, 5th Party and reap the rewards immediately. All applications must be submitted by Sunday, Jun 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). | ||
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On June 17 2012 02:48 deconduo wrote: Are House Chezinu Town, Anti-Town or Neutral? House Chezinu, 5th Party belongs to the faction known as House Chezinu, 5th Party. | ||
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On June 17 2012 02:52 Acrofales wrote: I just wanted to point out that I was that annoying thing... and the box lied. I have a cool suit and will post photos for anybody crazy enough to ask. Also, if House Chezinu is promoting VE they are clearly not town. ##nuke: House Chezinu Acrofales the Compulsive Liar has been established as a self-identified enemy of House Chezinu, 5th Party. Update: All supporters or members of House Chezinu, 5th Party along with submitting applications should make donations to the Treasury Fund of House Chezinu, 5th Party, specifically indicating that said monetary funds should be sent to the Director of Recruitment/Funding, HiroPro. | ||
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On June 17 2012 03:08 KharadBanar wrote: This whole House Chezinu thing sounds really fishy to me. It's advertised as "all upside, no downside" but we have to claim our role and abilities to get in there, and pledge loyalty to players we don't know the alignment of. In addition, Hiro says nothing about the organisational structure of the House, or if we get any rights/influence if we join, which normally means we don't get jack. I am not at all convinced. The board is in charge of of major decisions. Members are free to pursue their own agendas if they do not conflict with House Chezinu objectives. Depending on certain factors (listed below), you too can become a board member. On June 17 2012 03:09 Nisani201 wrote: Wait, it's not day yet. I would like to join the Chezinu house but I do not want to tell everyone my SUPER SECRET ROLE that is VERY IMPORTANT. So I would like to ally with you. How does that sound? Your alliance offer is accepted. We encourage you to join House Chezinu, 5th Party, which will confer even greater benefits. If your role/skills/wealth are great enough, you may even be able to join the board. Remember everyone. All applications are sent to the Bastard Moderators, so the only individuals who will know the information in your application will be the board members of House Chezinu, 5th Party. | ||
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On June 17 2012 03:18 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On June 17 2012 02:41 HiroPro wrote: House Chezinu, 5th Party Recruitment Welcome everyone. This is the Director of Recruitment at House Chezinu speaking. Due to recent personnel shortages, we are now conducting a recruitment drive. Anyone who is a player in this game may join (excepting any and all self-identified House Chezinu enemies). To complete your application, you must go through three simple steps.
2. Claim any and all powers, abilities, restrictions, or requirements that you possess 3. Claim your win condition All members of House Chezinu must also swear loyalty to all board members, whose names (excepting for mine) will be revealed at a later time. Remember, the benefits are numerous, the downsides non-existent. Join House Chezinu, 5th Party and reap the rewards immediately. All applications must be submitted by Sunday, Jun 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). What exactly are the benefits of House Chezinu? House Chezinu supports its own at all times, especially at times of lynching. In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members). | ||
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On June 17 2012 03:33 Acrofales wrote: I strongly urge everybody to spam the mods with crap like this. PS. 6th party House "HAHA NOT CHEZINU BIATCHES" is now also accepting applications. Benefits are the same as for joining House Chezinu and the application process is similar. Please send Zephirdd a PM with the subject "House HAHA NOT CHEZINU BIATCHES, 6th party Application", containing a long wall of text cleverly written so the first letter of each sentence spells "prince of bell air". PPS. The board of directors of House "HAHA NOT CHEZINU BIATCHES" is not responsible for any actions of its potential members and wants to excuse itself to Zephirdd and other mods for any potential harm come from this post. Please disregard any and all such posts from Acrofales the Compulsive Liar, self-identified enemy of House Chezinu, 5th Party. On June 17 2012 03:34 KharadBanar wrote: I don't fully trust House Chezinu's intentions yet, but I would like to claim that I am not one of its enemies, and would be interested in an alliance, similar to Nisani201. If this arrangement can be made, maybe we can talk about further deals in the future. Your offer of alliance is accepted. | ||
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On June 17 2012 03:52 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On June 17 2012 03:29 HiroPro wrote: House Chezinu supports its own at all times, especially at times of lynching. In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members). If all it does is support members in lynches is there really any difference between joining House Chezinu and forming an alliance? In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members). Additionally, alliance support is not absolute. It is merely a recognizance of no open hostilities between House Chezinu, 5th Party and said allied party. | ||
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The Knowledge Archives contain information pertaining to the underlying mechanics and characteristics of the setup. On June 17 2012 04:00 DropBear wrote: And I said baby... doo doo... it's 3am I must be lonely... doo doo Hello all! I am fantabulously confused already. HiroPro I regretfully must pass on your offer for the time being, as you speak of fellow board members who remain undisclosed and speak of supporting members at lynch time regardless of their suspected alignment. Please don't be offended, it's not that I don't trust you, it's that I don't trust you YET. Plus it's hard to trust your associates when I don't know who they are Just out of interest, what did your promotion of VisceraEyes achieve? Was he originally part of your group or did he join up after your recruitment announcement? Why do you suppose that the application to House Chezinu, 5th Party requires disclosure of abilities, win conditions, and goals? Applicants who supply false information or are inherently opposed to House Chezinu, 5th Party will not be accepted. You may consider VisceraEyes as an emeritus member. | ||
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On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote: If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that. By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason. Allied Party KharadBanar, are you indicating that you believe MajuGarzett to be a member of the mafia? Also, the board members of House Chezinu, 5th Party are not scum. | ||
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House Chezinu, 5th Party does not expect you to blindly follow us. Our actions in this game will make it perfectly clear that we are not scum. | ||
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On June 17 2012 04:28 Drazerk wrote: From this point on I am now ignoring any post that has anything to do with House Chezinu I advice everyone else does the same so we can play a normal game This is not a normal game. The mere existence of House Chezinu, 5th Party should confirm this. On June 17 2012 04:30 Nisani201 wrote: HiroPro did you actually think anyone would agree to honestly claiming their role in-thread? Correction: All applications must be submitted to the Bastard Moderators via PM with the subject "House Chezinu, 5th Party Application". | ||
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On June 17 2012 04:30 Nisani201 wrote: HiroPro did you actually think anyone would agree to honestly claiming their role in-thread? You should read the thread properly before jumping to conclusions. - House Chezinu, 5th Party | ||
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On June 17 2012 04:41 Acrofales wrote: Yo Drazerk, want to roleclaim in the thread? I don't trust you on basic principle and you're bound to claim some outrageously ridiculous role. I want to see it before I decide whether you're worth lynching over House Chezinu. @HiroPro: ignoring me is dumb. I have legitimate concerns about you and House Chezinu and I feel your play is screwing up this game in a way that can only benefit scum (or, as the mods are phrasing it, anti-town). You claim 5th party, which almost by definition is not town. You are also claiming a mysterious board of directors who you are unwilling to talk about, yet are convinced are town. I have a far simpler solution: Chezinu is scum and the board of directors is whoever else is chatting to Hiro in ScumQT. Just another question: how many directors are there on your so-called board of directors? We are House Chezinu, 5th Party. That is all I am permitted to say. Portals of the past may aid you in learning about us. The number of board members will not be released. On June 17 2012 04:43 talismania wrote: HiroPro What is your win condition? Would me or anyone else joining your House of Chezinu help that win condition? If so, how? If not, then why are you asking people to join? My win condition is to win when all anti-town forces are eliminated. Does me joining your House help that? Why or why not? My personal win condition is to improve House Chezinu, 5th Party. Acceptable members joining obviously furthers this goal. Your claimed win condition is compatible with House Chezinu, 5th Party. Anti-town forces possess killing power which can harm the members of House Chezinu, 5th Party and their removal is beneficial. We are pleased to see the interest in joining and aiding House Chezinu, 5th Party. However, several individuals ask questions which can already be answered by reading the personal filter of Director of Recruitment/Funding HiroPro. Please do this. I am taking a lunch break and will be back in ~45 minutes. | ||
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On June 17 2012 05:01 talismania wrote: When you're back from your lunch break - "improve" House Chezinu? What does that mean, specifically? For instance, do you win when X players join your House? When members of your House are the only ones left alive? What is your win condition, specifically? I can't talk about my personal win condition any more than what I have already said. My aim is to improve House Chezinu, that's all I can say. House Chezinu, Fifth Party can coexist with non-members. Think of it as a confederation. We are not a mason group. Our goal is to help our members win. Obviously serial killers, mafia, and other such individuals cannot be a part of House Chezinu, 5th Party as they require the death of all others. On June 17 2012 05:43 talismania wrote: Another question for you when you get back: If you're win condition is compatible with mine because anti-town forces can kill House Chezinu members, then why are you so publicly advocating for this house? Why aren't you scared of being killed yourself? I am the Director of Recruitment/Funding. I must recruit; it is not a choice. | ||
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On June 17 2012 06:39 xsksc wrote: One thing I'm curious about, HiroPro, is this funding you keep talking about. Is this just flavour for your recruiting, or is there actually some form of currency involved with the House? Can you elaborate? No it's not flavor. Money is a concept embedded in the game, not just with the House. Anyone can use money, from what I understand. Unfortunately House Chezinu, 5th Party does not have funds so I need to request everyone to send money to me. | ||
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On June 17 2012 07:11 Acrofales wrote: I don't feel like it. If I'm alive tomorrow we can talk about it, if not then you'll know I'm town because of my flip. @HiroPro: what is this money you're talking about? I know nothing about it. Money lets you buy stuff and change rules. If you have some, you should send it to HiroPro, Director of Recruitment/Funding for House Chezinu, 5th Party. | ||
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On June 17 2012 07:12 talismania wrote: I have some setup info in my role PM that I can't figure out why I shouldn't share: (1) There is a "King" (2) There is a "Monarchist Activist" (3) Several others of you know there's a Monarchist Activist, and some of you want to kill him. (so there's a wincon involving the death of the Monarchist Activist I'm guessing). Mmm, so that's your wincon. Thanks for sharing! But you really should send stuff like that as part of your application. | ||
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On June 17 2012 07:17 Acrofales wrote: This game has rules? What rules? What does money change about them? I don't know. House Chezinu, 5th Party is only aware of the existence of money - what exactly are the options is unclear. | ||
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On June 17 2012 07:19 talismania wrote: I'm not applying? My wincon is what I said it was, nothing more. To eliminate all anti-town forces. Nope. The Knowledge Archives say that the only win conditions people will receive in PMs is their own and those of people who share the same condition. | ||
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On June 17 2012 07:22 Nisani201 wrote: I highly doubt that there are any vanilla roles such as "serial killer" in this game. There were 2 serial killers in Bastard 1, right? It wouldn't be that surprising to have one in this game. deconduo, will you join House Chezinu, 5th Party? | ||
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It was just some flavor as part of the House Chezinu, 5th Party description. | ||
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 Or if I wake up early enough, I guess I could also try to get it in just before the deadline.- House Chezinu, 5th Party | ||
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Hopefully, I wake up on time tomorrow T_T This deadline's really early. | ||
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"But HiroPro, that means you're a liar and liars should be lynched!" Don't worry, I'll explain to you why I carried out this charade and you'll understand that it was actually beneficial. Because this is a night start, town has an obvious problem. Making reads and cases isn't really something that's done at night, especially with this being a bastard game. Thus, town needs something to spark discussion and force people to take sides and explain themselves. The fictitious House Chezinu applications allowed for such a scenario. People had to voice their opinions on House Chezinu and comment on what others were doing. Additionally, there is a second part of this setup that made this plan useful. Judging by both Bastard Mafia 1 and by the setup information given, it is likely that a large amount of third party roles exist in this game: most of them probably being survivors. Differentiating these survivors from scum will be a real pain, as both groups will probably be lax in scumhunting. I tried to make House Chezinu seem like a safe haven for survivors and third parties in order to figure out who these individuals were. Unfortunately, several people were not very clear about what they were actually doing in thread. If only I could read those applications people might have sent in, lol. Judging by their reactions, I think Nisani201 and KharadBanar might be survivors of some kind. Both of them seemed more concerned about forming an alliance than with actually finding anything out about House Chezinu. It's possible they could be SK or scum also (KB more so than Nisani), but I doubt that either of them is town. I say KB more so than Nisani because KB was very defensive when questioned about his "alliance". And statements like this show us that he's just talking nonsense. I win by eliminating anti-town players like you, so yeah I think we are compatible. By allying with The HOUSE, I essentially eliminate some of the players (both town and scum) from the equation and can concentrate on studying the remaining ones (which should contain both town and scum too, if my calculations are correct.) It was also pretty hilarious to do this lol. Bastard games ftw. Oh and I have no idea what any of this king/monarchist business is  MajuGarzett: If you look at MajuGarzett's filter, he's posted several times throughout the game. He's not actually concerned with finding scum, though. He spends almost all of his time asking about what abilities and information you can get from being a member. He doesn't try to determine my alignment; all he's concerned about is what he can gain from joining. On June 17 2012 11:07 MajuGarzett wrote: Well allying such a shady group is weird but there's no real downside to it as the alliance is so far just empty words. I can see why they did it. Honestly I think that the house won't really do anything to help Nisani and KB. The most telling part of MajuGarzett's filter though is where he responds to xsksc. MajuGarzett doesn't try to analyze the behavior of Nisani or KB. All he does is say "Oh, I don't think the house will help them". He's not interested in making a clear statement on what he thinks about House Chezinu (beyond trying to quietly discredit it). He's posting for the sake of posting. MajuGarzett isn't scumhunting; he's only concerned about himself. He's scum. If I die, and you don't read what I said, I'll be annoyed. So don't do that I'm going to get some lunch. So if I'm still alive, I'll be back an in hour. | ||
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Several people mentioned yesterday that they had information about the King (talismania and Acrofales, i think). Can you guys please share everything that you know? | ||
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On June 18 2012 05:39 FourFace wrote: Hiro did you think of this Chezinu thing before or after you got your role PM. Be honest, liar! Before. I was going to troll all of you for days if I got scum | ||
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On June 18 2012 05:59 MajuGarzett wrote: I wasn't just concerned with what I could gain from joining. I was concerned with what anyone could gain from joining. By knowing more about the house it allows for better reads on anyone who allied with or applied to the house. On the second point by use of extrapolation, we can see that by saying "I can see why they did it" I also meant " I don't find them scummy for wanting an alliance" which is a response to xsksc's question. It wasn't just posting for the sake of posting. Explain this to me. You first say that by learning more about the house, you can make a better read on anyone. But I didn't give out anything really; so what specifically about their behavior makes you say you don't find them scummy? And those two statements are not the same thing: one is a fairly meaningless buddy-buddy statement, while the other is a clear opinion. On June 18 2012 06:02 talismania wrote: can't decide if what I'm about to do is stupid or not. oh well. Let's have some fun! I am a dayvig! And I think I'm gonna shoot someone today! Further details: -I am a day vig, I get one shot and one shot only per game during a day phase. -I don't expect to survive very long at night (notwithstanding the lack of KP N0) so I figure I might as well put my role to use now What I'm going to do: -shoot someone! Who I'm going to shoot: I will shoot from among the players that do not do one of the following: (1) Make a long, well-reasoned case on a single player for why they should be lynched (2) Provide short (two-three sentence) reads/thoughts on the other fourteen players in the game (3) Provide some solid setup related info that can help the town. For instance - do you know who the King is? The Monarchist Activist? Speculation doesn't count for this one. I promise you, if you decide not to comply with one of the above, you are at risk of being shot. ________________ My goal is simple here: get everyone to post as much solid information as possible. I don't expect to outright catch any scum with this, but I am going to make them post and make them take positions. I hope to generate a lot of information that can be used throughout the game, including information about how people react to this and who decides to participate and when. Shoot whoever you think is scum, yo. Your second and third criteria are not very useful at all (especially because we have no way of knowing if any information provided is even true) | ||
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On June 18 2012 06:32 FourFace wrote: Something about Hiro bothers me. He said that he would've trolled around for a couple of days if he was scum, but that would've been his ticket to Lynchville wouldn't it? I don't care if I die as scum if I screw up town discussion for days. | ||
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On June 18 2012 06:44 FourFace wrote: Well how would you have done that anyway.. You wouldn't have known who tried to join in the first place (probably no one, evidently) but how exactly would you have kept the illusion of House Chezinu alive without any sort of palpable change like a mason circle or host confirmation or anything? I'm not saying you weren't scumhunting.. I'm not even saying you're anti-town. I just think you lied to us at least twice, that's all. It was a one-way street: the applicants submitted information but I wouldn't actually have had to do anything with them. I could be free to just post random flavor and talk about how certain people were enemies of House Chezinu and needed to be exterminated. As scum, I would probably have gotten access to certain information, which I could talk about as being from the Knowledge Archives. Would people have eventually caught on? Sure, but it wouldn't really matter if I screwed up the game enough. | ||
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On June 18 2012 07:09 deconduo wrote: I think Hiro pointed out that people who allied with Chezinu were probably scum/survivors but I disagree. Wanting to increase your survival chances is a town trait for people who feel they have a good blue role, especially docs/cops. As for the individual people: Maju hasn't posted a whole lot but I see nothing wrong with what he's said so far. His response to Hiro's accusations made sense, and he seems pretty solid so far. He hasn't set of any alarms on my end anyway. KB on the other hand isn't looking so hot. Apart from the initial stuff with House Chezinu, his response to suspicions has been textbook newb scum, apologetic and non-confrontational. Townies tend to be more agressive against accusations because they KNOW they are innocent, whereas scum tend to try and compensate because they feel inherently guilty. Definitely red flags going off here, one to watch out for. Hm, I didn't think of it like that. Nisani may not be a third party/survivor then. Yea, I agree with you that KB looks really defensive. And he didn't really push his hyaach read at all. talismania, do you want to shoot KB for us? | ||
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Third parties would be neutral in this setup; it doesn't matter how many of them are alive as long as we kill everyone who is anti-town. Anti-town will have a clear motivation (to focus the lynch on townies or third parties). Third parties will only care about whatever their objective is and their own life. I think KB and Nisani201 are linked survivors of some kind (if you look at Bastard 1, the survivor roles could win by not only surviving themselves but also having someone else live). This would explain why they are so close together (KB decided to form an alliance with House Chezinu right after Nisani201, while Nisani201 has defended KB in a nonsensical manner) and why the cases they have put forth have been short and never followed up on (they simply don't care who gets lynched). And ultimately I don't see a reason why as scum they would be so open to forming an alliance with House Chezinu. If someone wants to shoot them, go right ahead. They're clearly not helping town. But I think we should be focusing on other targets for our lynch. On June 18 2012 20:59 FourFace wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Reflections regarding EchelonTee; 1) ETs first 11 posts are all about House Chezinu cheers, more specifically on and off about it being a cult or not.. like playing ping pong with my patience = the ball, and him and Drazerk the players. I call it scum pong that can, at it's finest, make you want to slit your wrist while trying to read the thread like in LVI Toad vs VE. He says he called it as trolling but he simply enumerated all the possibilities not definitely opting for either. He also states the intention of being part of a mason circle that anyone can join and is being established on n0 - which means you have no clue about the alignment of the players yet and thus it's very likely that scum join the circle. Technically it's not a mason circle and one is supposed to be weary and cautious upon joining under these particular circumstances but the fact that he takes the words mason circle in his mouth and repeatedly chews it over is scummy imo A town player would see the lack of benefit in this whole endeavor and stfu about it. 2) On June 17 2012 22:55 EchelonTee wrote: I'm not feeling KB quite yet, I'd say 201 is a better lynch. Thoughts? That's pathetic 3) 13th post About House Chezinu (hiccup+burp, excuse me) again but this time pay attention and think for a minute On June 17 2012 22:58 EchelonTee wrote: well, I'm not sending my alignment to anyone as an application or whatever the hell, so if that's the actual way to join, then I'm not joining. If it's a mason circle, I want to be part of it. Simple as that. Call me scum for that if you want, I want more info on this whole she-bang. ET is so into mason circles, right? But here is the perfect opportunity to have a clean mason circle with no scum in it unless they claim scum via the application. I mean you send your application to the mods.. they announce your role and wincon in the circle and then you're good to chat among fellow confirmed townies but instead this is exactly what he doesn't want because as scum he would drop his disguise for what? A couple of third parties and townies because the MA wouldn't be so stupid to join and reveal himself like that and at this point ET must've also come to this conclusion. TL;DR: ET says he wants in on a potentially corrupted to hell mason circle but when the perspective arises to be in a perfectly sanitized pro-town mason circle he changes his mind. 4) projected morale On June 18 2012 00:17 EchelonTee wrote: this game was a lot more fun about 8 pages ago, sad I missed out I've read somewhere that scum always points out the negative aspects is one of those times. He's saying this game sux, you all suck you are boring for fucks sake entertain me. This + the scum pong with Drazerk is reason enough for me to vote for you, because these passive and subtle blows to morale outweigh any active trolling attempts in harmfulness. 5) there is no mafia faction lolololo - which someone said scum would want town to believe and I agree.Also in the same post a half-ass accusation of Maju because he is trending. On June 18 2012 03:10 EchelonTee wrote: if no one claims save, then I guess no mafia faction lolololol totally called it that Chezinu was fake :p Maju looks scummy, yah; he looked a lot like that in TL LV. I needa see if he has any older games where he's town. -His first newbie scum game when he was town, he was more forthright and called people scum and stuff, unlike this game. Not a bad lynch, looks scummy. 6) So basically he thinks he can get away with voting for those who other made cases against and are the most talked about suspicion-wise. On June 18 2012 11:29 EchelonTee wrote: I support either a KB lynch or a Maju lynch. I read one of KB's newbie town game and he actually sounded townie and stuff. Do people not think Maju is scummy? Gay, and lazy and careless imo. ##Vote: EchelonTee This is a good case against ET. ET obviously cares about the lynch as he is comfortable throwing out a list of people he finds weird. But he doesn't pressure these people, he doesn't make any substantiated reads on any of them, he doesn't make cases. In the beginning of the game he tried to lead the discussion into useless stuff about the way Toad played in LV. He says that he wants to join a mason circle without revealing his alignment. This is scummy; all he wants is to influence others. He speculates that there may not even be mafia in this game: S&B and FourFace are right: this is what mafia want us to think. He talks about fulfilling his town meta by being accused. He's trying to defend himself without actually saying anything or without going after FourFace. This is not town play at all, especially for ET. Look at his filter in Magic:The Gathering Mini Mafia. ET is very aggressive early on, extremely keen on pressuring people, and actually provides reasoning when he calls people suspicious. That is not how he has played this game. ##Vote: EchelonTee | ||
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On June 19 2012 02:08 Drazerk wrote: Focusing on third party != focusing on lynching third party That is all On June 18 2012 23:29 xsksc wrote: In this sort of game, I want to kill 3rd party even more, given that to win we have to remove all anti-town elements, which 3rd party/SK definitely falls under. For all we know, there might not even be "pure" scum in this game. | ||
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On June 19 2012 03:22 Acrofales wrote: Point me to a recent, relevant, game in which you were town. I have read WaW2 and you played very differently. For one, you were verbose and not posting irritating 1-liners. I have read Aperture, but you weren't town and were killed D1. So yeah, start pointing. Also, lets assume you're telling the truth and you haven't read your role PM. We know you're not the MA, because a king was chosen. If we assume the MA is town, that makes you by far the best option for a RNG policy lynch, because the odds of you being town are less than for anybody else. Given that you are ensuring that any read on you is about as useful as a RNG policy lynch on you would be, this is an excellent choice for us D1! Added bonus: we get rid of a confirmed troll, who is clearly not intending to contribute this game. We lynch people who are scum. Drazerk may be a troll but I agree with most of his reads, and he is clearly reading and giving out his opinions. | ||
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And we played together in MTG. That's not the way you're playing this game. | ||
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On June 18 2012 06:31 MajuGarzett wrote: Well I wanted to get info to make reads but obviously that didn't work out. Being bereft of such detailed info, I felt that KB and 201 being curious about the house and wanting to be privy to any resources it had without being roped into anything that could be bad for town wasn't particularly scummy as I felt scum would probably distance themselves from such a shady organization. No but this is. | ||
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On June 19 2012 04:19 EchelonTee wrote: How can you be so fraggen sure that he's survivor and not scum? It's not as though scum dislike making cases on people. It's not as though he acted exactly like this game in another game he was scum. It's not as though he looks like scum, and the only reason why the word "survivor" even comes up is that the last bastard game was chock full of them. In Holy Roman, when he was accused, he called several other people scum and started voicing his opinion on lynches. He's so scared that he hasn't done anything this game; that suggests he's a survivor. | ||
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On June 19 2012 04:29 EchelonTee wrote: Oo meta? He acted exactly like that in TL LV TL LV: looks scummy, posts like 1 accusation in a 5 full day cycles HolyRo: looks scummy, calls people scum Bastard2: looks scummy....... Hmm, evidence suggests that when Maju is scummy.... he's scum! holy balls! Btw, you still haven't unvoted me. You really think you're going to mislynch me today? Are you scared of being lynched? Show me that you're town. There were no survivors in either of those games; your argument is trash. Not to mention that he hasn't called anyone scum, when he does do that when under pressure as scum. | ||
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YES I KNOW On June 19 2012 04:37 EchelonTee wrote: My arguement that when Maju is scummy he is likely to be scum is trash, right. Scared of being lynched? Lmao, you couldn't lynch me even if you were trying. It's funny how you try to sound confident and stuff, it's really cute. You still haven't explained to me why he's scum and not a survivor. | ||
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On June 19 2012 04:41 EchelonTee wrote: I don't know whether he's scum or survivor. Usually, I just lynch scummy people when I see them. That a bad playstyle? When you're not explaining anything, when you refuse to make proper reads, when you advocate scum positions, when you lightly defend yourself without saying anything, I call that being scum. Because this is clearly not the way you play as town. | ||
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On June 19 2012 05:12 Acrofales wrote: Wait. What reads? You mean this: This is not reads, this is looking through the thread and having a modicum of skill in picking up who looks scummy and who doesn't. This kind of post is a dime a dozen for scum. Other than that, what reads are you referring to? Read his posts on S&B. He's spot-on. And I do agree with most of the categories he put people into. On June 19 2012 05:17 Acrofales wrote: I have no idea how Maju plays as town, but his defense to you was not decent. It gave a rather thin explanation for why he fired off questions at night, but he failed to do anything useful. Maju is looking scummy to me. Fine, if you think Maju is scum, then lynch him. But I think he's a survivor. | ||
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On June 19 2012 05:26 EchelonTee wrote: DropBear is my secondary lynch preference. Mind explaining? | ||
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On June 19 2012 05:28 Nisani201 wrote: So no one wants to share their opinion on xsksc? No. Your case is bad. | ||
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On June 19 2012 05:30 Drazerk wrote: wait does that mean I typed fistbump? Hm, that's not what he said: "Do not try to bend the spoon � that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth" | ||
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On June 19 2012 05:30 Drazerk wrote: Hi everyone I contain the secret to everyone's win condition. To obtain every player must type in #Fistbump in the thread "Do not try to bend the spoon � that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth" | ||
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On June 19 2012 07:07 talismania wrote: I am a town dayvig. hahaha he can't do it. So which one are you lying about talismania? The part about being town or a day vig? | ||
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Why would you do that..... If it returns a lie, we need to figure out which one is wrong. | ||
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On June 19 2012 07:13 MajuGarzett wrote: Now you're doing the same thing fourface did. Saying a case is terrible but not why a case is terrible. Your case is bad because none of it points to him being scum, except "the accusations seem forced", which doesn't look like the case at all. | ||
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On June 19 2012 07:47 Acrofales wrote: It does. If you were scum and Tali were town, you would know Tali is not on your scumteam and hence probable town. A tiny bit of looking at the thread would make that even more probable. Now lets go back to the logic: Statements: A = drazerk is town B = deconduo is town C = talismania is town Theory: A & B & ~C Theory is FALSE, so we know: ~(A & B & ~C) = ~A | ~B | C This statement is true if any one of the following is true: ~A = Drazerk is not town ~B = Deconduo is not town C = Talismania is town Because you would already know C, that would make it completely safe for you. If it's still not clear, replace "Talismania is not town" in the checked post with "Pigs can fly". Because pigs can, in fact, not fly, anything else in the post is irrelevant: it will be marked as false. However, this is all academic, because Deconduo derped even more than I thought and we learned NOTHING from the whole ordeal. Yea but ultimately Drazerk and decon both acted townie (I find it really hard to believe that a scum Drazerk would actually risk having a power like that used on something he said). And thus the logical assumption is that talismania is also town. | ||
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On June 19 2012 10:03 EchelonTee wrote: There was 1KP last night and it was never accounted for. If you're town, it'd probably be best to claim it so we have pertinent information; since no one claimed, I am going to currently assume that a neutral or another anti-town faction was shot. Maju's role PM says that they have a KP starting from night 1. Pretty sure that means they weren't able to shoot anyone yesterday. | ||
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##Vote Nisani201 And BioSC looks to have disappeared again. I suppose it's too much to ask for another day-vig, lol. | ||
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On June 19 2012 14:51 talismania wrote: On deconduo - deconduo must be town if he's smart. If he's dumb, he could still be scum. Remember that he initially wanted me to type in Deconduo is town I am town I am a dayvig in order to confirm us both. If I had done as he asked, and he wasn't town, he would have been royally and stupidly fucked. Because I know I'm town, and I know I'm a dayvig, and if the hosts say there's a lie there, then I'm going to shoot deconduo. I have to assume that he would think that much through if he were scum, right? On an aside, lie detector seems like a random role to give to scum anyway. Oh, that's actually a really good point. If he was scum that would have guaranteed his death. And Zephirdd confirmed that Maju's framing power doesn't affect the objection thing. | ||
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On June 19 2012 05:10 Nisani201 wrote: My main understanding of the "house chezinu" mainly came from Merc Mini 2 where I played with Chezinu, and he was acting very similar to Hiro's play in this game. In that game Chezinu was a bulletproof SK and I figured that it was very likely Hiro had a lot of power. I didn't want to get stuck in some stupid feud with a third party when I could have been scumhunting. Furthermore, I didn't really see any downside to allying with the House... and no one has pointed one out; people have been saying that this kind of affiliation with it is scummy but I don't really see why that is. Is the DropBear case really only based on the fact that he unvoted KB with weak reasoning and has never mentioned maju??? That's not convincing at all and I think his reaction to your case is genuine and townie. And don't use that connection business when we haven't even seen KB flip...... Between xsksc and KB, I'd definitely prefer lynching KB. KB is really really defensive - just look at the way he reacted to Acrofales's post on DropBear just because he thought it implicated him. He has been talking nonsense the entire game (look back at my post on him at the end of n0 - he said joining House Chezinu was good because it would narrow down the amount of people (both scum and town) he would have to look at. He talked about allying with the HOUSE being good because then they wouldn't interfere in his affairs.... He's not town. ##Unvote Nisani201 ##Vote KharadBanar | ||
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On June 20 2012 01:03 Drazerk wrote: The role in itself is a scum get away tool and anyway we can have YOUR lynch target be the last person to vote for him if he is telling the truth Possibility of two birds with one stone? It's better than just lynching DropBear I guess. But I would still prefer that we just lynch KB. How do we even get KB to unvote, though? | ||
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On June 20 2012 01:23 DropBear wrote: I still don't even understand what the case against me is let alone how to respond to it. If I go down can you idiots get Nisani please. Also strongandbig for jumping on the bandwagon for the most laughable reason I have ever seen. You don't find KB suspicious anymore? And I was right the first time.... Nisani and DB both have 4 votes. Nisani reached it first so he'll get lynched. | ||
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On June 20 2012 01:28 DropBear wrote: DO YOU FUCKTARDS READ???? READ MY FUCKING POSTS Maju's role PM says that he only has 1 partner. There is no way a 15-player game only has one 2-man scum team. So we probably have a second scum team or some SK/assassins. KB putting a vote on Maju without calling for him to be vig shot doesn't do much to lower the chances that he's anti-town.... | ||
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On June 20 2012 01:31 DropBear wrote: KB also gets townie points for volunteering the be the last vote on me Hm, this is kinda true. But if he looked at the vote counts carefully he would have seen that unless someone unvoted nisani after me, he would have been in no danger even if you are a vengeful townie. | ||
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On June 20 2012 01:37 KharadBanar wrote: If anyone else wants to vote for DropBear, I volunteer to re-vote him again so I'm the last one. DropBear: I do this because I actually don't believe you, just so you know. If you tell the truth, and I flip, town at least don't have to worry about my alignment anymore. Actually this seems really stupid to do, now that I think about it. I think DropBear is townie and if KB is willing to die in order to lynch DropBear he's probably town, and then we lose 2 townies for nothing... | ||
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I guess it's good since KB died. Does this mean our lynch didnt matter and the King picked who to die? | ||
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On June 20 2012 03:07 talismania wrote: oh I see it was vote manipulation by the king. Or maybe the king can just decide the lynch? Hiro did someone make you king? No | ||
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On June 20 2012 03:16 Zephirdd wrote: Every flavor is just flavor. Also Drazerk, you did not. So the king didn't decide the lynch??? But then why did KB die... | ||
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Nisani201 looks scummy. We should lynch him!!!! | ||
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On June 20 2012 05:32 strongandbig wrote: Talis, I think that KB didn't know he was the king. He changed his vote to himself and thought nisani would die from the vengeful townie thing. However, in actuality whoever the king votes for gets lynched. KB voted for himself, so he died. Hm, this might be the right explanation. The only thing is, why would the MA pick KB.... | ||
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On June 20 2012 05:58 EchelonTee wrote: lol I can't argue with that logic since I was beating you over the head with it on maju I learned my lesson | ||
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ghost, what specifically about BioSC's interaction with house chezinu makes you think he's town? | ||
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@ghost... what? I kinda believed his claim since the part about hiropro made complete sense given how paranoid fourface was about hiro at the beginning of D1. What are you? I don't think it's a good idea for ghost to claim at night. | ||
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On June 21 2012 04:16 Nisani201 wrote: Hi everyone! How about this: I wont talk today unless you all agree not to lynch me? You claim, or you die. And no one else claim until Nisani does. | ||
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On June 21 2012 04:40 Nisani201 wrote: But wait, that would still be playing against my win-con! Are you biased towards town? ##Vote Nisani201 | ||
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On June 21 2012 06:40 Nisani201 wrote: Oh wait I read that wrong. This is not about finding the MA either. Do you know why we don't have a king today? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sgqgd.jpg) Order: Everyone must claim their role name within 24 hours. Anyone who fails to do so or who lies will die. ##Claim Yugi Moto | ||
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On June 21 2012 05:22 Drazerk wrote: Personally I think you're one of these people who want him dead | ||
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Yay! I'm still rereading people's filters but I'd like to get your opinion on DropBear. The way I see it, the cases that people have made on him being scum are based on the fact that he wanted to kill and backed off KB with weak reasoning, claimed vengeful townie, and never really mentioned MajuGarzett. Thing is I don't really agree with the first point at all as he seemed to provide good reasoning when Acrofales asked him (and I thought his original posting on KB even before was fairly clear in that he thought KB was scum for posting lots of contentless posts). I don't see anything crazy about his claim. And the third point is pretty weak in my opinion. And I thought his reaction to Acrofales's pressure was genuinely townie. I'd just like to hear what you personally think about this. And if you have any strong scum reads other than Nisani? | ||
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On June 21 2012 12:11 Nisani201 wrote: Can everyone please put their vote on me? A unanimous vote would be so cool, I wonder if it has ever happened in tl history. I still don't understand why you won't claim... The only explanation I see is what Drazerk suggested (that you are AMA). | ||
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On June 21 2012 12:18 Nisani201 wrote: Oh yeah I guess that makes sense. I'm not the AMA though. If you are town, martyring is not helpful in any way. Can you please just explain your thought process this game. Like at least elaborate on why you think xsksc is scum. | ||
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On June 21 2012 12:27 xsksc wrote: Points 1 and 3 both apply to me as well, so no, I don't think they make him scum. Leaning town on DB, however I had some doubts about his claim (which I went over not too long ago and it's possible I was just overthinking things). Other strong scum reads - no, although I wouldn't mind Drazerk dying. This makes me nervous... Ok. I noticed you said earlier that you had a town read on DropBear. But like four hours later, you started to doubt his claim. Thing is, he had claimed before you said you had a town read and he hadn't posted at all in between, so can you explain this a little more? And why Drazerk? | ||
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On June 21 2012 12:30 Nisani201 wrote: I've already talked about why I think xsksc is scum; read my filter. Other aspects of my thought process will be explained at the end of today and possibly post-game if you have any more questions. You made one post on him and then after that all you've done is say that he should be lynched..... On June 18 2012 09:20 Nisani201 wrote: xsksc is who I'd like to lynch today. Read his filter, and you'll see that he is sort of unwilling to contribute but is trying to make posts in the thread. In other words, all of his posts are easy to make. His most recent post, commenting on me and KB wanting to ally with the House Chezinu, is once again very diplomatic and is siding towards the general popular opinion on the thread. Putting my vote on him for now. ##Vote: xsksc You haven't contributed anything since that one post. Why? | ||
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I will claim last - I have a good reason for this. You will have to trust me. The people who need to claim are: ghost_403 hyaach strongandbig xsksc HiroPro xsksc Most of the opinions and reads that xsksc has advocated so far have been those wildly held in the thread: KB and Nisani look scummy, DropBear's claim is weird cause he has no name. Apart from these, there's just not really that much original thoughts or stuff in his filter. The biggest thing about xsksc, though is the way that he interacts with nisani. First, I will show what xsksc voiced about nisani on his own. Then I will talk about the interaction itself. At first, xsksc says that he doesn't like nisani's decision to ally with the House, as not much is known about it. Much later after Maju's death and DB's post, xsksc says that Nisani should be lynched. + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote: I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game. Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear. On June 19 2012 14:11 xsksc wrote: I gave Nisani the benefit of the doubt earlier, I thought he was just being bad lol. Maju's flip is pretty condemning for him, he looks a lot more likely to be the scum partner than KB does. That's not to say I think KB is town, though. I don't think he's AS likely to bleed "pure scum", as it were. TLDR I agree, Nisani would be a good lynch. Now for the interaction: On June 18 2012 09:49 xsksc wrote: Point number 1 of my post should read fishy and not fish, lol. In response to Nisanis vote - Maybe it's the popular opinion because allying with a completely unknown faction is a pretty bad idea for town? As for my posts being "easy to make", I'm sorry you feel that way, but I disagree. I've voiced my opinnion and encouraged discussion when the thread was dead. I suggest you have a quick read of your own filter, and maybe that will stop you from accusing others of shit contribution. Copy and paste attacks, that's pretty much it. Your easy-to-make argument is completely nonsensical, not to mention hypocritical. On June 18 2012 10:23 xsksc wrote: I don't think you quite got my point there.. You have contributed fuck all, and you are in no position to point that particular flaw out in everyone elses play. The way that xsksc defends himself from Nisani is not townie at all. Townies either explain their own behavior further or show how the other person's argument is flawed. By accusing Nisani of "hypocrisy with copy-paste attacks "and saying "You have contributed fuck all, and you are in no position to point that particular flaw out in everyone elses play." xsksc is trying to make Nisani go away by directly attacking Nisani's credibility. He is making Nisani look bad while defending himself. This is not a town characteristic or town play at all, especially when you consider that later on xsksc says that "he was giving Nisani the benefit of the doubt". These are direct attacks, not "giving benefit of the bout". This is what scum do. Additionally, the points that xsksc advocates about third party being more important to lynch in this game than scum; that is scummy also. ghost needs to be a lot more active. When you are free, please answer my question from earlier. | ||
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On June 21 2012 14:10 xsksc wrote: Look at nisani's filter before he argued I was making easy posts. That's why I got annoyed at him. I never said 3rd party are more important than scum, I said I want to lynch them more than usual. You want me to claim? I am not going to argue with this about you. But no, it is not about being annoyed. Townies get annoyed too; it is about deliberately trying to make a person look bad when they are coming after you. Yes, I want you to claim. On June 21 2012 14:11 Hyaach wrote: Massroleclaim is fine but are we so sure Nisani201 does not have a dayshot? He switched from giving a fk to scumhunting. Why the sudden change in attitude? I'm not defending xsdxdx because I have a null read from a last read and am going out now but Maju's PM says he wins when scums outnumbers town, 3rd party not counted. So focus on eliminating 3rd party is not that condemning in this game. I don't see Nisani scumhunting lol. It's not that third parties matter for the scum win condition; it's that going after third parties give scum valuable town cred and allows them to make it look like they are doing stuff. | ||
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On June 21 2012 14:25 xsksc wrote: I'm Sherlock Holmes, the Detective Every night I can investigate a player, and I'll get told if they're anti-town or non anti-town. I was told I could be sane or insane. I've determined that I am most definitely sane, as I checked KB n0 and he returned anti-town. I checked BioSC n1 and he returned non anti-town. The reason I checked BioSC was that I knew someone was framed, and he had managed to stay fairly low profile. Bit of a waste in hindsight, but I had no idea he was about to be vig shot. At least it confirms my sanity. lol, 2 cops in a 15-man setup. We have a liar, ladies and gentleman. Read his filter, read my case, and then laugh at his claim. We're lynching him tomorrow. | ||
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That game had 6 survivors and 2 serial killers. Town was a minority of 7 people. It is not comparable. And your behavior has already shown that you are scum. Your claim is just icing on the cake. | ||
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On June 21 2012 14:34 Drazerk wrote: This is a bastard game - set up and balance don't come into it Opinions on my case, please. | ||
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On June 21 2012 14:46 xsksc wrote: You argue that I'm scum because of how I reacted to Nisani's case. You yourself even said the case was bad, why would I risk exposing myself by reacting in such a way, to such a bad case that would never get me lynched? It was a bit over the top admittadly, but I was fucking annoyed by what he said. You said you don't want to argue this issue with me, but it's the core of your case on me... Your reaction is not townie. If you were town and the case was bad, then you would say "oh bad case", maybe get annoyed a little, and move on. But instead your response is not only defending yourself, but also painting doubt and suspicion on your accuser without directly calling them mafia. That is a scum tactic. Additionally your response is drastically different from the way that you described it as later "giving Nisani the benefit of the doubt". | ||
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On June 21 2012 14:57 xsksc wrote: Giving him the benefit of the doubt was @ not pushing his lynch because I thought he may have just been playing the same way he did in steamship, go read that to see what I mean. I'm not calling my RESPONSE to his case the benefit of the doubt, lol. That is an outright lie. The steamship part is you talking to drazerk. On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote: ... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_- The benefit of doubt is "I gave Nisani the benefit of the doubt earlier". | ||
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On June 21 2012 15:00 xsksc wrote: I've said it once I'll say it again, I'll say it a thousand times if I have to, I was annoyed. Since when is pointing out hypocrisies in a case is a scum tactic? It's clear we have a different opinnion on the issue. I have to go work tomorrow and I am going to go to sleep. This is the last thing I am responding to. Your response was not townie. I am not the only person who believes this. This is a direct quote from one of the vets who was in the Wheel of Fortune QT (I don't remember what this person's forum id is, someone who played in Wheel of Fortune probably remembers). "However, when Ace responds, he acts exasperated, and says he doesn't give out all his reads on Day 1, which is obviously not what Bluelightz was asking for, and then asks what scumhunting Bluelightz himself has done. This moves suspicion off of Ace, and onto Bluelightz, while avoiding addressing Bluelightz's concerns, and can intimidate Bluelightz into not pursuing Ace further. I don't see that as a particularly townie way of replying." Everyone please read my case and xsksc's filter. Do not waste discussion just because we are lynching Nisani today. | ||
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On June 21 2012 23:02 ghost_403 wrote: @hiro: I looked back for what made me think that, and I can't find it. I was thinking maybe I just misattributed it to Bio instead of someone else, but I can't find what post I was even thinking of. I'm curious as to why that's so important to you? Stuff like that is important. Soft defending someone who flips town is an easy way to gain town cred. If you don't have a reason for it, then I have to wonder how you came to the conclusion that he was town. Judging by hyaach's claim, Nisani is most likely the MA. We have no king - this is why I asked if anyone had been roleblocked. No one responded and Nisani did not answer my question when I asked him if he knew why we have no king. Now judging by his actions, Nisani is most likely a third party, not town. I have no idea what his wincons could be and obviously he's not willing to say. I am Yugi Moto, the cardless survivor. I am linked with strong&big, the Neutral Surviving Balrog. The two of us win if either of us is alive at the end of this game. We have no powers and abilities (we can't even privately communicate) but we know each other's identities. We show up as not anti-town, and do not affect the win conditions of either town or anti-town. The reason why I saved my roleclaim until the end is because if someone else claimed vanilla survivor (no friends, no powers), then I could identify their role as likely being a lie. Also, message to scum/third-party, if you night kill me, you're not thinking, I don't matter for shit. | ||
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On June 22 2012 01:38 ghost_403 wrote: Well, now, there's an interesting response. Because I'm a neutral survivor, I don't really care about which side wins. But, as a survivor, what I do want is a short game, which means that it's in my best interest to be gunning for one side or the other. Being bulletproof, scum can't kill me, so that means I should be playing as pro-town as possible in this game. You don't care. Why's that? Because I'm not bulletproof lol. If someone decides that I'm being too helpful to town, they can kill me. | ||
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On June 22 2012 01:40 Drazerk wrote: Also since VT is guaranteed in the game and no one is counter claiming it does that mean I am confirmed VT? Yea bro, I was hoping I could be confirmed survivor, but I'm not | ||
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On June 22 2012 01:44 Drazerk wrote: We could always shoot your bro to make you one You're a coldhearted person On June 22 2012 01:45 Acrofales wrote: To be fair, if your roleclaim is in any way true, time is running out for scum. There's probably 1 scum, and possibly 1 3rd party hiding in the dodgy roleclaims. They can't afford to shoot 3rd party. eh, probably true. I'm a little worried about a 3rd party having some kp, though. You really should read my case lol. But w/e. Your choice. | ||
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On June 22 2012 02:47 Drazerk wrote: YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ALIVE TO WIN If you actually want town to win you will have to admit we need to rule out the possibility of you pulling a pretty huge gamble to blind side us. Seriously if you're town or town aligned you should never be afraid of death especially when your win condition doesn't even need you alive. And I'm not even saying you have to be todays lynch like acro I think your a third priority but you must die at some point. I think this is fine, s&b. | ||
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On June 22 2012 04:54 Nisani201 wrote: No. I am getting lynched today. I'm not giving you guys any information unless I can be sure that I am lynched. lol. You're a funny guy | ||
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Mods > Town ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UYECc.gif) Bastard town => Where scumness is decided by lore and flipping coins. | ||
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On June 21 2012 12:27 xsksc wrote: Points 1 and 3 both apply to me as well, so no, I don't think they make him scum. Leaning town on DB, however I had some doubts about his claim (which I went over not too long ago and it's possible I was just overthinking things). Other strong scum reads - no, although I wouldn't mind Drazerk dying. On June 21 2012 15:16 DropBear wrote: I have said repeatedly that you are making more sense to me than anyone and you are the last person I would have lynched, even before your claim. | ||
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On June 22 2012 07:29 strongandbig wrote: On the other hand though, would the hosts really put so much about detective checks into the role PMs and setup info, and give scum a framing power, if there was no alignment detective? Pinkie Pie was an alignment detective (his name is no longer BioSC). BioSC, if you're reading this right now, you should change your name to Pinkie Pie. | ||
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On June 22 2012 08:25 talismania wrote: HiroPro didn't you say something about wanting to claim last so you could shit on another neutral survivor claim? Why hasn't that happened with respect to ghost? On June 22 2012 00:42 HiroPro wrote: The reason why I saved my roleclaim until the end is because if someone else claimed vanilla survivor (no friends, no powers), then I could identify their role as likely being a lie. | ||
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 On June 22 2012 07:32 talismania wrote: Proposal: Nisani wants to be lynched, we want to lynch scum. We all vote dropbear, and nisani does what KB did and unvote votes to make sure he's the last one voting. If the game ends because dropbear is the last scum, great. If the game doesn't end, but dropbear is still scum, then we lynch nisani for possibly having an anti-town wincon (or one of the other 3p players). If the game doesn't end because dropbear is town and telling the truth, then we've still gotten rid of nisani (and nisani has gotten rid of himself). | ||
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On June 22 2012 23:04 strongandbig wrote: Okay but seriously Someone explain to me please why I would risk my life to help town? Town cred is only useful to me to avoid getting either hiro or myself lynched. But if one of us died to the vengeful townie it's exactly as bad for us as one of us getting lynched. Like, I want town to win, I guess, because they're already so far ahead so the game will end faster, and also because scum won the last game I played, which was annoying. But I don't see how risking my life to help town is in line with my win condition. To Acro: I'm afraid of two things. First, that there might be some anti-survivor third party out there with KP, probably ghost, since otherwise it seems weird that there would be a bulletproof survivor and two linked survivors. Second, that scum might decide to be a dick and say "if I'm not going to win neither will you trololol" and kill hiro once I'm dead. Sure it's not the biggest risk, but I really don't see the upside. Neither of us is going to die right now if we do this. Will you be free at the deadline? To get off if Nisani tries to screw us? | ||
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On June 22 2012 14:10 Nisani201 wrote: Yeah I'm ok with this. I am busy tomorrow morning though so if we are going to do this we better do it quick. I cannot guarantee that I will make it to the flip (but I probably will). | ||
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On June 23 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote: Dammit Nisani, you're an IDIOT. Your role pm says "THE anti-monarchist activist". You already AVOIDED your loss-con. /facepalm hahahaha | ||
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Was KharadBanar anti-town | ||
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And I still need to think of possible topics. So if you want to pre-write your limericks, that's fine. But unless it fits the topic (or if I really really like it), it won't count. | ||
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On June 23 2012 07:59 strongandbig wrote: What are the things everyone is holding? My crude attempt at knives lol. Drawing is not my strong suit. | ||
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I wanted Neutral Surviving Balrog and they made s&b my survivor buddy | ||
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Mister mister role role roleblocker dun a good job. | ||
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On June 24 2012 07:21 ghost_403 wrote: Why? You spent a huge part of the beginning of the game actively hunting scum. House Chezinu took up, what, two or three pages of your filter, and began your case on xcrzd. Now, after you claim Neutral Linked Survivor, you're all like You weren't afraid to play protown then, so why the change of heart? To stay alive, I needed to show that I wasn't anti-town. Now that I've established that, there's no reason for me to help town. | ||
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On June 24 2012 08:04 Drazerk wrote: We all ok policy lynching Hiro and S+B even if it loses us the game? Town wouldn't even be in this good a situation if I hadn't helped lol. And if you had actually listened to me about DropBear, you'd be doing even better. | ||
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On June 24 2012 08:07 talismania wrote: Well you win the sooner scum is eliminated which means you ought to help town because it's a faster win than with scum. ____________ ghost, answer my question above. I'm not taking any risks. Looking at my previous reads and cases would be useful for you, but I doubt you'll do that. | ||
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On June 24 2012 08:30 xsksc wrote: Hi guys, Hyaach returned anti-town to my investigation. I am 100% sure that I'm sane. Cool, bye scum. [insert previous case here] ##Vote xsksc | ||
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On May 30 2012 17:30 Forumite wrote: As a 3rd Party, town-friendly 3rd-party but still, in Mafia LV, I got to thinking, how much should selfish 3rd-party and traitor-roles change the way I balance the game? Should survivors be treated as just another townie when setting up the game, or are they a half townie, or should they be treated as scum when balancing? What about SKs and traitors? On June 05 2012 05:23 kitaman27 wrote: Another thing to keep in mind with traitors is that their value is impacted by the way they are recruited. A traitor who may be accidently shot is less valuable than a traitor who joins the mafia team whenever he is the target of a mafia action. | ||
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But the thing is it makes no sense for scum xsksc to hold his kill, unless he has no ability (in which case his kill will be RBed). So the logical assumption is that anti-town had a SK, a permanent 1-target framer capability, and a rolecop (3 people in total). From a balance standpoint though, that seems pretty broken even with 3 survivors (still leaves 9 townies, some of them with ridiculously powerful abilities: 2 vigis, a cop, a medic, a RB, the phoenix wright business). So probably another anti-town role exists. Judging by Forumite's comments in the Idea Factory thread, a traitor is likely. | ||
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On June 24 2012 17:17 Acrofales wrote: This is meta-meta! I'm not sure that's even a valid argument, but okay, lets run with it. Then who killed ET on N1? Probably scum. He claimed having a strong blue role and thought Maju was scum from early on. Man I'm not even sure what scum actually did last night lol. eh, w/e | ||
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Do you mind saying what it is that you did that made Zephirr post that? You're going to die anyway. | ||
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On June 25 2012 23:13 ghost_403 wrote: Also, Hiro protown? He's afk'd himself since he claimed neutral survivor linked whatever he is. Do you just pretend to not read anything or is this how you actually play the game? Did you read anything that happened before you replaced in? On June 25 2012 23:27 xsksc wrote: It's a bastard game with 2 DTs lol, why couldn't there be 1 permanent and 1 temporary framing ability? "Some player may check out wrong on alignment checks, but if so, they will be read the same during the whole game." Hmmmmmmmm On June 26 2012 00:32 Drazerk wrote: Strong stop thinking of yourself as a survivor but more as a second town team. Sometimes its better to die for the good of the town. This is what you would be doing. Being alive is sadly not part of your win condition nor is it optimal play. Lol, we're not a second town team. If town loses, w/e, it's their own fault for not playing well. | ||
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On June 26 2012 01:08 xsksc wrote: Read what else I wrote, I've already said I believe this is talking about either a miller or the permanent ability. If that's what you believe/want to believe, ok. Major Difference: Doesn't matter if scum dies or not, as long as the game ends. On June 26 2012 01:09 ghost_403 wrote: @hiro: A) Why would bother reading the thread? B) Choice excerpts from the 10th page of your filter: And by choice, I mean the first five. The rest of the posts on that page are similarly useless. You've been riding the town goodwill since you debunked House Chezinu and 'caught' xiron. Don't insult me by saying that I haven't helped town, ok. Who do you think made the plan that exposed the Serial Killer? Hm, it was me. Who do you think made the case against MajuGarzett? Hm, I think that might have been me. Who killed the Serial Killer when everyone in town decided it would be a good idea to lynch one of their own? Huh, funny thing, I think that might have been me too. #of anti-town killed by town=1....#of anti-town killed by me=1......hmmmm | ||
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On June 26 2012 01:15 talismania wrote: Drazerk has had it out for the third parties since the beginning. Ghost is acting weird too. | ||
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On June 26 2012 02:01 Acrofales wrote: Lynching ghost actually has a good chance of catching scum imho. As today has developed, he has been acting weirder and weirder. 4F never really convinced me he was town in any way. Ghost has played more coherently. It was actually you who convinced me 4F/ghost was improbable scum. Also, if we lynch ghost and he flips scum then we've proven Hyaach as a pretty townie roleblocker, leaving the road even clearer for an xsksc lynch tomorrow. I am not opposed to killing ghost. My main reason for picking Hiro/SnB is because there is something fishy about their role and until we lynch one of them or the game ends we won't know what it is. I am inquisitive and not above lynching for information  Let me go reread ghost's filter, but a switch to ghost does not seem like a bad plan. At worst it'll prove that roleblocking ghost was NOT what stopped the mafia kill from happening. Cool, I guess you guys can have this. ghost_403 has claimed BP survivor and said that since he's BP, it's in his best interest to play pro-town. Thing is, ghost hasn't actually done anything like that this game. He makes a call for Nisani to be shot without ever talking about why he thinks Nisani is scum. He makes "reads" on DropBear and xsksc that just rephrase what other people have already said about them. Additionally, look at how uncomfortable ghost was with providing a concrete opinion on DropBear's alignment. ghost refers multiple times to DropBear as "bad townie or scum", but never actually decides which one it is. + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2012 01:11 ghost_403 wrote: Nisani StrongAndBig EschelonTee Two of my best scum reads are already dead, GJ town. I really don't like having to put ET on this list, given how much him and my predecessor fought it out, but I really don't like how he jumped around on his voting. Later, I'll look through some of his previous games to see how he votes as town. Also, never trust the guy who reports the votecounts. Given a bullet, I would shoot Nisani in a heartbeat. On June 21 2012 01:25 ghost_403 wrote: BioSC looked townish to me, but that came mostly from the reading of the House Chezinu situation early on in the game. Past that, I didn't really notice anything significant about him. DropBear didn't make it on my spreadsheet until I looked at the players list. Points to terrible townie or lurking scum. On June 22 2012 06:57 ghost_403 wrote: I'm not a big fan of DropBear. He opens the game by pushing KB, then drops it after Maju flips because his single vote somehow exonerates him of all scumminess. It's a bad move on his part, but he was rather townish in how he stuck to his guns on that issue. Past that, the only thing he's really contributed is his case on Nisani. Take a look at his filter, he's not bringing anything to the town at all. Also, I don't like how he refuses to claim his role's name. Everyone else has, why not him? Very strange. He's either scum or very bad townie. Now to look at xkcd. My ride home is almost here, so that might not get put up for a bit. On June 23 2012 03:41 ghost_403 wrote: Scum wouldn't shoot me tonight. Killing me doesn't get them any closer to winning the game. I don't count as town for their wincon, as detailed previously. I'm fine with being roleblocked, my problem is that I don't think it will help us find scum. Your plan needs a town DT to actually work, and I haven't seen anything that shows you've thought that out. It's very strange considering the fact that you thought he was lying about his roleclaim to begin with. ghost has claimed that he is bulletproof. So why is it that he's speculating about why scum wouldn't kill him? That scenario should never even cross his mind; it's not just that he's talking about being shot (that would be understable), but he specifically refers to himself dying from a scum shot (something which should not be possible if his claim is true). The differences between what ghost has claimed to be and his actual words and actions in the thread are stark. ghost claimed that he is bulletproof, yet the way he talks suggests exactly the opposite. ghost says that he's a survivor who's interested in helping town as it helps him out too; yet he's done absolutely no scumhunting. | ||
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On June 26 2012 02:10 Acrofales wrote: Okay, quick wrapup of ghost's play. He is clearly completely unconcerned about who is getting lynched (while he is out-of-shot). Which makes him not-town. But we knew that already. Complete toss-up between scum and 3rd party as far as I can read him, though. Think about what ghost has claimed. He says that he's a BP survivor who's going to help town because he's at no risk of dying; has he actually done that? No. | ||
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On June 26 2012 02:16 talismania wrote: roleblock does remove bulletproof, at least it did in pick your power. That's not bulletproof, that was just a veteran right? | ||
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On June 26 2012 02:51 ghost_403 wrote: @acro: I'm trying to point out that he's talking out of both sides of his mouth. You can't claim "I don't care" then push lynch candidates. Last I checked, xkhla wasn't on his scum team. So why does he care that it's me and not him? That's not neutral. In case you haven't realized yet, s&b was at risk of being lynched. That's bad for me; I'll make a case and push the lynch onto whatever scum I see if it'll save him. If town wants to lynch xsksc instead of you, ok I'll vote for him then. | ||
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Professor Badass was the hydra name that Curu and Erandorr used in Election Mafia. | ||
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On June 27 2012 06:41 Forumite wrote:+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg207/scaled.php?server=207&filename=slowpoke1.png&res=landing) Hai guys! What´s going on here? LOL. Though some of the people in this thread could use a little more slowpoke in them, though. | ||
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On June 27 2012 08:13 Drazerk wrote: Xsksc seems scummier but its generally easier to look townie as scum so I'd rather lynch Hyaach who has the red check on him You have an interesting way of looking at things. | ||
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On June 28 2012 03:04 Hyaach wrote: gg. i messed up my plan on saturday night. all drinks and no pms makes you loss mafias. That's would explain the KP . lol LOL. I was thinking it might have been something like this after I saw kp today. | ||
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