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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 16:55 GMT
#1208
Also, note that KB knew who the king was, but not what the king did.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 16:57 GMT
#1209
And KB seems to have been taken completely by surprise.

Either that, or he decided that if he was going down, he'd try to help out other scum factions by sending town into chaos trying to figure this king thing out.

I still think scumhunting and finding people for our illustrious king to kill is the proper move here, rather than chasing our tails trying to figure out the setup: there simply isn't enough information (yet).
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 17:40 GMT
#1211
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 18:17 GMT
#1220
Damn it. I completely totally missed that shot

I am a vigi. To be precise, I am Ezio Auditorie de Firenze and I shot BioSC.

Breadcrumb is + Show Spoiler [here] +

On June 20 2012 04:20 Acrofales wrote:
Votecount looks normal. It means that either there was no doublevote/politician shenanigans, or those mechanics are hidden. Given this, I think the hypothesis that there was a king who got to choose the lynch is the most likely one atm. Something is wrong with 4F's theory that the king dies: there is so much redundant information in the AMA's role pm. He didn't need to be told that any king could only be named once if the king got murdered at the end of the day.

Of everybody, I want DropBear to die most. Overall he looks incredibly scummy and the chance of his roleclaim being a blatant lie on top of that is just too much and he must die. The problem I have with Nisani is still mainly his roleclaim. I'm not sure that's enough to merit shooting tonight. No harm in putting him up for lynch tomorrow, though: he's still scummier than everybody else, including the trio of lurk (hyaach, biosc and xsksc).

Going to watch the football match now. Drazerk: England is going to lose against the Ukraine, lol.


and + Show Spoiler [amended here] +
On June 20 2012 19:48 Acrofales wrote:
Tweedledeedledum, I have found a scum!
After a quick look over BioSC's filter I don't think any other conclusion is possible.
Ridiculously lacking in any useful content whatsoever.

Given this lack of content, I started digging a bit deeper. Earlier, we caught Majuju, based mainly on Hiro's excellent case, based on Maju's stance on Chezinu. Take a look at BioSC's opinion of Chezinu: it is exactly the same. Cautiously trying to gain information without actually giving an opinion one way or the other. Here are some gems from his filter:
+ Show Spoiler [Ho Hum, Bio Scum] +

On June 17 2012 04:39 BioSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 04:28 Drazerk wrote:
From this point on I am now ignoring any post that has anything to do with House Chezinu

I advice everyone else does the same so we can play a normal game


If the last Bastard game was any indication, this will be a bit stranger than a normal game.

Speaking of this House Chezinu... You "guys" want a lot for giving not so much. Are you a mason group? Can you recruit?

I'm staying cautiously positive atm. Unless you guys have cupcakes to offer, then I may change my stance =D


On June 17 2012 14:27 BioSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 14:06 EchelonTee wrote:
Isn't House Chezinu that 5th party mason circle from Aperture Mafia? Which means they are the good guys?


Do you have a link/proof? For those of us bastards not in the loop? Not doubting you, just want as much info as possible.



After this, there's only his case on KB, which was exactly enough to let him fly under the radar for all the rest of D1. Nothing else of use is in his filter, which would be pretty incriminating by itself, but lets look further. Go and look at this, his filter in his only other TL Mafia:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343892&user=85763
Eeee gads! This filter is chock-a-block full of PBPA. He may have been wrong in Newbie XIII, but he was very VOCALLY wrong.
Now look at his filter this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343892&user=85763

Something tells me he learned from his newbie game: lurker scum wins... so he's giving it a try!



Sorry BioSC. I really liked your posts... I just thought you were scum. Blues shouldn't lurk

I like Hiro's plan and unless someone can think of a reason why I should post my extra losscon before Nisani does, I'm waiting to see what Nisani has to say.

Also, there was no king appointed?!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 18:20 GMT
#1221
On June 21 2012 03:09 talismania wrote:
Thoughts on mass claim? I think there's just two anti-town left.

Either that, or there's anti-town without straightforward KP.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 18:26 GMT
#1224
On June 21 2012 03:21 Drazerk wrote:
Huh that breadcrumb is amazing

And why me

I'm glad you like it. And it was a bitch to come up with. I wanted you dead because I was pissed off about you not reading your role pm. After claiming you were town you went afk, which is highly suspicious for you.

However, you came back during the night and I actually liked your posts, so I relented and looked for a different target. I figured DropBear and Nisani are major lynch candidates today, so figured I'd look into the people I hadn't looked closely yet. I almost changed my target to Nisani when BioSC started posting, but his posting style and the case were just so weird (and cute), that they confused me more than convinced me he was town. I couldn't find a scum motive for posting so weird, but it isn't exactly townie either. I then thought of you and remembered that strange posting styles can be employed by scum to seem inoccuous So I went through with the shot. Wrongly.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 19:38 GMT
#1242
On June 21 2012 04:16 Nisani201 wrote:
Hi everyone!

How about this: I wont talk today unless you all agree not to lynch me?

If you're town, this is playing against your wincon. You are clearly not helping us solve the clusterfuck you got yourself into. So not talking today means we lynch you. In fact, to give this some extra punch:
##vote Nisani

How's that for agreeing "not" to lynch you today?

If you're scum, go right ahead and shut up all day. It'll make our lives incredibly easy!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 19:40 GMT
#1244
On June 21 2012 04:04 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 01:33 talismania wrote:
Acrofales - you said you were going to be ready to claim in full D2. Is that still in the cards? Do it on the deadline I'm worried you're going to have a hit put on you.

Why would mafia shoot Acrofales? He's been blindly tunnelling a townie all game and he just shot a detective. Sounds like the perfect person to keep alive.

Good news, crazy koala dude. You're no longer my top scum read!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 19:41 GMT
#1245
On June 21 2012 04:40 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 04:38 Acrofales wrote:
If you're scum, go right ahead and shut up all day. It'll make our lives incredibly easy!

But wait, that would still be playing against my win-con!

Are you biased towards town?

Yes. You jelly?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 19:48 GMT
#1249
On June 21 2012 04:08 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 04:04 DropBear wrote:
On June 21 2012 01:33 talismania wrote:
Acrofales - you said you were going to be ready to claim in full D2. Is that still in the cards? Do it on the deadline I'm worried you're going to have a hit put on you.

Why would mafia shoot Acrofales? He's been blindly tunnelling a townie all game and he just shot a detective. Sounds like the perfect person to keep alive.


Possibly because he is the only person playing pro town

But if he survives another day I kill him because he shouldn't be left alive at that stage.


I'm not the only one playing pro-town. Give Tali and ET some credit here. Gonna go over ET's filter in a minute. Could be that ghost_403 shot him.. he was the only one to be suspicious of 4F.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 20:03 GMT
#1253
I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm saying ET was killed by Maju's partner (the only KP we know exists). That could be 4F/ghost. 4F never really convinced me, but I haven't made up my mind either way yet. Just throwing this theory out there: ET could've been killed because he was on to something and the only real suspicion he had mentioned that wasn't generally held opinion is 4F/Ghost.

I know it's all wifom. I'm just throwing the theory out there before I look into ET and 4F/ghost's filter in detail.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 20:10 GMT
#1255
On June 21 2012 04:51 talismania wrote:
Acro I'm still wanting to hear what your extra loss condition and all the stuff in your pm about king and MA.

__________


Nisani is clearly MA? I don't understand this behavior from a scum perspective.

You do understand this behaviour from a town perspective? There's a consensus that he must roleclaim or die. I'm not sure that's a good idea, but it's clearly going to happen, so might as well roll with it.

A town Nisani should be trying to prevent a mislynch. He clearly has no interest in preventing a mislynch. Maybe his extra wincon was to outlive the AMA, so he doesn't give a fuck, or maybe he's scum.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 20:24 GMT
#1258
On June 21 2012 04:51 talismania wrote:
Acro I'm still wanting to hear what your extra loss condition and all the stuff in your pm about king and MA.

__________


Nisani is clearly MA? I don't understand this behavior from a scum perspective.

Forgot the first part of this post. Nisani is clearly not going to claim. There's nothing in my role pm that really gets anybody any further than they have... most of it has been disclosed.

The reason my role pm says anything about the MA and the king is because, similarly to Tali, if I shot the person being made king by the MA, I would end up dead instead.

My extra losscon is exactly that: if I die from trying to shoot the future king (at night he wouldn't be king yet), then I lose. I presume that means that if town wins I'd get a special mention as the derp who shot the king.

I was also promised a "bonus" if I shot anti-town, but now I'll never know what that is.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 20:25 GMT
#1259
In fact, I was quite surprised that your dayvig role didn't include this stuff as well.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 20:29 GMT
#1262
My subsequent reasoning about why the MA was town went: if I can shoot anti-town and get a bonus and shooting the king causes me to lose, then the king should be a town mechanic. However, it is not necessarily the case, because it's a bastard game and the mods might be mindfucking me.

Then with all the night speculation that the king is someone who gets nominated to die, I didn't want to shoot into the people everybody thought was scummy, on the off chance that that theory was right (and they'd be prime lynch candidates anyway).
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 20:41 GMT
#1263
Fuck it. Mass claiming might be a pretty good idea at this point. There's 2 people who blueclaimed and both are a bit scummy and will probably be lynched. At least this way scum has to shoot them. They may do that anyway.

SitRep as far as roles go:

HiroPro --- ?
Tali --- used dayvig
Acro --- used vig
Drazerk --- VT
Ghost --- ?
deconduo --- used objectivist
DropBear --- vengeful townie
Hyaach --- ?
SnB --- ?

xsksc --- unspecified blueclaim
Nisani --- unspecified blueclaim

ET --- dead medic
BSC --- dead cop
KB --- dead SK
Maju --- dead scum
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 20:52 GMT
#1267
On June 21 2012 05:43 DropBear wrote:
Acro why did you shoot BioSC when you were on my case the entire day?

I've explained that twice already.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 20:56 GMT
#1269
On June 21 2012 05:52 xsksc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 05:41 Acrofales wrote:
Fuck it. Mass claiming might be a pretty good idea at this point. There's 2 people who blueclaimed and both are a bit scummy and will probably be lynched. At least this way scum has to shoot them. They may do that anyway.

SitRep as far as roles go:

HiroPro --- ?
Tali --- used dayvig
Acro --- used vig
Drazerk --- VT
Ghost --- ?
deconduo --- used objectivist
DropBear --- vengeful townie
Hyaach --- ?
SnB --- ?

xsksc --- unspecified blueclaim
Nisani --- unspecified blueclaim

ET --- dead medic
BSC --- dead cop
KB --- dead SK
Maju --- dead scum


Alright, I'll fullclaim in 30mins or so if nobody objects.


I object. I want to hear from some other people first. The setup might make a mass claim rather risky and anybody with information on town maybe losing its edge should say why.

Imho we don't really need the MA alive. The king is a fun mechanic, but as long as we can lynch by vote, we can win the game. However, there might be some info we're missing that makes the MA or some other role essential to keep hidden.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 21:53 GMT
#1284
On June 21 2012 06:20 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 06:11 talismania wrote:
DropBear, why so angry today?

I'm sick of making perfect sense and being told it makes me mafia. I spent all of yesterday defending myself against the most retarded case I have ever seen yet somehow getting the most votes.

The person who pushed it the hardest just shot a detective and it's being shrugged off. Incidentally, you spelt Auditore incorrectly in your claim Acrofales.

Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 03:17 Acrofales wrote:
Damn it. I completely totally missed that shot

I am a vigi. To be precise, I am Ezio Auditorie de Firenze and I shot BioSC.


Blame Zephirdd for that, not me. I'm playing with the name he gave me. Who are you to claim my name is spelled wrong anyway? If I want to be Ezio Auditorie, I bloody well will be.

Also, did you actually read the case I made on BioSC before deciding I was dumb for shooting him? I also waited for opinions from a number of people in the thread. Most people agreed that he was a scummy lurker and not a townie lurker. If you thought he was town why didn't you say so in the approx. 10 hours between my case and the shot?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
June 20 2012 22:01 GMT
#1287
One more thing, DropBear. If you think I'm scum, say so and tell me why. Stop being an angry koala and start being useful in this game, if you're really town.

All I've gotten from you since the pressure is off is a load of butthurt wining, which is actually making me think you're scum again. Yes, I did some reevaluating during the night which made me think I might have put you too high on my scumometer. Now I'm thinking I was right after all. You're lucky Nisani exists or I'd still be sticking to you like a fly on honey (and none of your funky hats with corks would chase me away).

Instead of crying about it, take the time to help out and prove you're actually town!
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