EPTOn June 21 2012 05:22 Drazerk wrote:
Personally I think you're one of these people who want him dead
Personally I think you're one of these people who want him dead
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HiroPro
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Yay! I'm still rereading people's filters but I'd like to get your opinion on DropBear. The way I see it, the cases that people have made on him being scum are based on the fact that he wanted to kill and backed off KB with weak reasoning, claimed vengeful townie, and never really mentioned MajuGarzett. Thing is I don't really agree with the first point at all as he seemed to provide good reasoning when Acrofales asked him (and I thought his original posting on KB even before was fairly clear in that he thought KB was scum for posting lots of contentless posts). I don't see anything crazy about his claim. And the third point is pretty weak in my opinion. And I thought his reaction to Acrofales's pressure was genuinely townie. I'd just like to hear what you personally think about this. And if you have any strong scum reads other than Nisani? | ||
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HiroPro
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On June 21 2012 12:11 Nisani201 wrote: Can everyone please put their vote on me? A unanimous vote would be so cool, I wonder if it has ever happened in tl history. I still don't understand why you won't claim... The only explanation I see is what Drazerk suggested (that you are AMA). | ||
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On June 21 2012 12:18 Nisani201 wrote: Oh yeah I guess that makes sense. I'm not the AMA though. If you are town, martyring is not helpful in any way. Can you please just explain your thought process this game. Like at least elaborate on why you think xsksc is scum. | ||
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HiroPro
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On June 21 2012 12:27 xsksc wrote: Points 1 and 3 both apply to me as well, so no, I don't think they make him scum. Leaning town on DB, however I had some doubts about his claim (which I went over not too long ago and it's possible I was just overthinking things). Other strong scum reads - no, although I wouldn't mind Drazerk dying. This makes me nervous... Ok. I noticed you said earlier that you had a town read on DropBear. But like four hours later, you started to doubt his claim. Thing is, he had claimed before you said you had a town read and he hadn't posted at all in between, so can you explain this a little more? And why Drazerk? | ||
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HiroPro
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On June 21 2012 12:30 Nisani201 wrote: I've already talked about why I think xsksc is scum; read my filter. Other aspects of my thought process will be explained at the end of today and possibly post-game if you have any more questions. You made one post on him and then after that all you've done is say that he should be lynched..... On June 18 2012 09:20 Nisani201 wrote: xsksc is who I'd like to lynch today. Read his filter, and you'll see that he is sort of unwilling to contribute but is trying to make posts in the thread. In other words, all of his posts are easy to make. His most recent post, commenting on me and KB wanting to ally with the House Chezinu, is once again very diplomatic and is siding towards the general popular opinion on the thread. Putting my vote on him for now. ##Vote: xsksc You haven't contributed anything since that one post. Why? | ||
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I will claim last - I have a good reason for this. You will have to trust me. The people who need to claim are: ghost_403 hyaach strongandbig xsksc HiroPro xsksc Most of the opinions and reads that xsksc has advocated so far have been those wildly held in the thread: KB and Nisani look scummy, DropBear's claim is weird cause he has no name. Apart from these, there's just not really that much original thoughts or stuff in his filter. The biggest thing about xsksc, though is the way that he interacts with nisani. First, I will show what xsksc voiced about nisani on his own. Then I will talk about the interaction itself. At first, xsksc says that he doesn't like nisani's decision to ally with the House, as not much is known about it. Much later after Maju's death and DB's post, xsksc says that Nisani should be lynched. + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote: I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game. Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear. On June 19 2012 14:11 xsksc wrote: I gave Nisani the benefit of the doubt earlier, I thought he was just being bad lol. Maju's flip is pretty condemning for him, he looks a lot more likely to be the scum partner than KB does. That's not to say I think KB is town, though. I don't think he's AS likely to bleed "pure scum", as it were. TLDR I agree, Nisani would be a good lynch. Now for the interaction: On June 18 2012 09:49 xsksc wrote: Point number 1 of my post should read fishy and not fish, lol. In response to Nisanis vote - Maybe it's the popular opinion because allying with a completely unknown faction is a pretty bad idea for town? As for my posts being "easy to make", I'm sorry you feel that way, but I disagree. I've voiced my opinnion and encouraged discussion when the thread was dead. I suggest you have a quick read of your own filter, and maybe that will stop you from accusing others of shit contribution. Copy and paste attacks, that's pretty much it. Your easy-to-make argument is completely nonsensical, not to mention hypocritical. On June 18 2012 10:23 xsksc wrote: I don't think you quite got my point there.. You have contributed fuck all, and you are in no position to point that particular flaw out in everyone elses play. The way that xsksc defends himself from Nisani is not townie at all. Townies either explain their own behavior further or show how the other person's argument is flawed. By accusing Nisani of "hypocrisy with copy-paste attacks "and saying "You have contributed fuck all, and you are in no position to point that particular flaw out in everyone elses play." xsksc is trying to make Nisani go away by directly attacking Nisani's credibility. He is making Nisani look bad while defending himself. This is not a town characteristic or town play at all, especially when you consider that later on xsksc says that "he was giving Nisani the benefit of the doubt". These are direct attacks, not "giving benefit of the bout". This is what scum do. Additionally, the points that xsksc advocates about third party being more important to lynch in this game than scum; that is scummy also. ghost needs to be a lot more active. When you are free, please answer my question from earlier. | ||
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HiroPro
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On June 21 2012 14:10 xsksc wrote: Look at nisani's filter before he argued I was making easy posts. That's why I got annoyed at him.  I never said 3rd party are more important than scum, I said I want to lynch them more than usual. You want me to claim? I am not going to argue with this about you. But no, it is not about being annoyed. Townies get annoyed too; it is about deliberately trying to make a person look bad when they are coming after you. Yes, I want you to claim. On June 21 2012 14:11 Hyaach wrote: Massroleclaim is fine but are we so sure Nisani201 does not have a dayshot? He switched from giving a fk to scumhunting. Why the sudden change in attitude? I'm not defending xsdxdx because I have a null read from a last read and am going out now but Maju's PM says he wins when scums outnumbers town, 3rd party not counted. So focus on eliminating 3rd party is not that condemning in this game. I don't see Nisani scumhunting lol. It's not that third parties matter for the scum win condition; it's that going after third parties give scum valuable town cred and allows them to make it look like they are doing stuff. | ||
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HiroPro
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On June 21 2012 14:25 xsksc wrote: I'm Sherlock Holmes, the Detective Every night I can investigate a player, and I'll get told if they're anti-town or non anti-town. I was told I could be sane or insane. I've determined that I am most definitely sane, as I checked KB n0 and he returned anti-town. I checked BioSC n1 and he returned non anti-town. The reason I checked BioSC was that I knew someone was framed, and he had managed to stay fairly low profile. Bit of a waste in hindsight, but I had no idea he was about to be vig shot. At least it confirms my sanity. lol, 2 cops in a 15-man setup. We have a liar, ladies and gentleman. Read his filter, read my case, and then laugh at his claim. We're lynching him tomorrow. | ||
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HiroPro
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That game had 6 survivors and 2 serial killers. Town was a minority of 7 people. It is not comparable. And your behavior has already shown that you are scum. Your claim is just icing on the cake. | ||
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On June 21 2012 14:34 Drazerk wrote: This is a bastard game - set up and balance don't come into it Opinions on my case, please. | ||
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On June 21 2012 14:46 xsksc wrote: You argue that I'm scum because of how I reacted to Nisani's case. You yourself even said the case was bad, why would I risk exposing myself by reacting in such a way, to such a bad case that would never get me lynched? It was a bit over the top admittadly, but I was fucking annoyed by what he said. You said you don't want to argue this issue with me, but it's the core of your case on me... Your reaction is not townie. If you were town and the case was bad, then you would say "oh bad case", maybe get annoyed a little, and move on. But instead your response is not only defending yourself, but also painting doubt and suspicion on your accuser without directly calling them mafia. That is a scum tactic. Additionally your response is drastically different from the way that you described it as later "giving Nisani the benefit of the doubt". | ||
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