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Votecount looks normal. It means that either there was no doublevote/politician shenanigans, or those mechanics are hidden. Given this, I think the hypothesis that there was a king who got to choose the lynch is the most likely one atm. Something is wrong with 4F's theory that the king dies: there is so much redundant information in the AMA's role pm. He didn't need to be told that any king could only be named once if the king got murdered at the end of the day.
Of everybody, I want DropBear to die most. Overall he looks incredibly scummy and the chance of his roleclaim being a blatant lie on top of that is just too much and he must die. The problem I have with Nisani is still mainly his roleclaim. I'm not sure that's enough to merit shooting tonight. No harm in putting him up for lynch tomorrow, though: he's still scummier than everybody else, including the trio of lurk (hyaach, biosc and xsksc).
Going to watch the football match now. Drazerk: England is going to lose against the Ukraine, lol.
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On June 20 2012 04:23 FourFace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 04:20 Acrofales wrote:
there is so much redundant information in the AMA's role pm. He didn't need to be told that any king could only be named once if the king got murdered at the end of the day.
There's so much more aesthetic value to this because of it. Trust me .. I know beauty when I see it.
It's not aesthetic beauty... it's just adding confusion: does it mean that a king can be chosen only once? Or does it mean that only once per game, the MA may repeat his choice for king?
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Actually SnB brings up a good point. If MA is anti-town then town has no lynch power, so no official KP and depends on vigis to do all the dirty work (and wait for all the 3P to murder each other). That just seems completely impossible to balance. MA being town and having to choose townie people as a king seems far more likely.
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On June 20 2012 04:45 deconduo wrote:Well that was interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if the king isn't claiming because KB was the king. Given how the votes were before KB switched his vote to himself it is clear he expected Nisani to get lynched when he posted this: Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 02:59 KharadBanar wrote:##Unvote: DropBear##Vote: KharadBanarHello Nisani  However that would only happen if there was some vote manipulation in play. He didn't have any from his role, so it could only happen if he got it from being king. However due to this being bastard mafia it backfired on him somehow. Dunno why he voted for himself and not for Nisani though, possibly some restriction with the king's role, and maybe thats why it backfired. Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 04:33 Drazerk wrote:
Everyone in England hates the English football team.
I was rooting for Ireland >.> And we all saw how that turned out  Still, we win the award for best fans.
No... I think he expected Nisani to die from DropBear's claimed vengeful crap (which I still think is bogus).
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On June 20 2012 04:52 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 04:49 talismania wrote:
My role says that "some" of the people who know about the MA want him dead, which suggests to me that there are multiple AMAs. Grand. So considering we have 15 players and only 2 scum, that probably means 2-3 third party. 3 AMAs seems a bit OP considering that they all have KP, so maybe 2 AMAs 1 survivor or something.
Eh, we'll see that tomorrow when the KP is revealed. 3 KP in a 15 player game is pretty harsh...
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WTF happened to the game I was playing earlier?
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I hear they invented this amazing thing called PMs. Go flame each other there.
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Oooh, we have a ghost in the game now. Spookie. Ghost: are you maintaining 4F's roleclaim? Or is there something you want to change about it?
A quiet Drazerk is even worse than a trolling Drazerk. I'm sorry I doubted your glorious England, now please come back and play with us. Top 3 scum reads! Now!
On setup speculation: while I don't like using mistakes by the host as a tell, I don't think he would've forgotten to update KB's vote on the final count if it was the only one that mattered. If the king doesn't know he's king, then HiroPro or BioSC are kingly options. Neither of these options make a lot of sense to me (HiroPro's post was too close to the deadline to read and decide upon, imho).
That leaves: the king knows he was king. The only person to not post tonight is Hyaach and I doubt he was king. So either the king has some reason for not exposing himself (either he's not allowed to, or the king was scum/3rd party), or the king is dead.
I presume the M.A. knows enough about the setup to be able to distinguish between these options and we'll figure it out tomorrow. If the king is a death sentence, then the minute this ability is used on a townie, that townie should just say so.
The final suggestion was Talismania's: the king lynch is decided with the smiley face and the king cannot lynch the M.A. This seems farfetched, but it's not impossible. The possible presence of more than one A.M.A. means we shouldn't try to confirm this theory yet. Even the voicing of this possibility could've been shooting ourselves in the foot (and yeah, I also figured it out at the eureka post... just not the why you thought that).
So that brings us back to scumhunting: DropBear, rather than proclaiming your innocence. KB was 3rd party, not scum, so your victory dance is completely unfounded. I don't think many people thought KB was town, but you unvoted him based on the Maju flip: that made no sense if you thought he was your strongest anti-town read. So yeah, DropBear, other than Nisani, who else do you think is scum. I want to hear more than just "Nisani must die".
Nisani has not been fishing for the M.A, but rather for the king. I am completely unsure what to think of him at this point.
And that brings us full circle to Drazerk: start playing!
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Hyaach: if you had a gun, who would you shoot tonight!
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I ask, because I'm not sure what your posts say.
BioSc: lurker
xsskddlal: null
BnS: null (and by extension Drazerk null?)
Nisani: didn't gain town cred (does that make him null? or scum?)
DropBear: ??? (what do you actually think of your Koala neighbour?)
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Dammit Drazerk, why would you go and say you're town. I was going to make a case on you for posting at the deadline, but you've just completely debunked it. Why do you think xkcd comes before Hyaach and why do both come after SnB?
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On June 20 2012 18:19 Drazerk wrote:
Finally tali you said you was a one shot vigi why would they shoot you when it confirms me + dec?
Well, mainly because it doesn't, because of the retarded way that sentence was phrased (still pisses me off). The post with the full logical proof is somewhere in my filter.
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On June 20 2012 18:16 Drazerk wrote:
Also someone was going to lynch everyone without a name / using it as evidence against DB I just wanted to stop that from happening
No... I'm perfectly happy to believe vanilla townies have no name. It'd be a bit like GoT mafia, where blue roles got fancy names (then again, so did scum and 3P), but VT were just "stark bannermen".
It's also possible there are no VT in this game.
Role names may be a completely random thing (meaning some red/blacks have names and some townies don't).
I'm still thinking DropBear looks terrible (with or without the role name stuff). He is very defensive, but his actual scumhunting is nowhere to be found.
He might be like Tunkeg, though. So focused on trying to defend himself, that he forgets that the way not to get lynched is to play actively and find scum.
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On June 18 2012 02:27 BioSC wrote:
Is it just me, or did the bastard voting thread say "votes before and after the deadline don't count"? *Phoenix Wright Point* I spy a conundrum!
Yo Bio, you claiming here you are also Phoenix Wright? Or is this just a coincidence?
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Tweedledeedledum, I have found a scum! After a quick look over BioSC's filter I don't think any other conclusion is possible. Ridiculously lacking in any useful content whatsoever.
Given this lack of content, I started digging a bit deeper. Earlier, we caught Majuju, based mainly on Hiro's excellent case, based on Maju's stance on Chezinu. Take a look at BioSC's opinion of Chezinu: it is exactly the same. Cautiously trying to gain information without actually giving an opinion one way or the other. Here are some gems from his filter:
+ Show Spoiler [Ho Hum, Bio Scum] +On June 17 2012 04:39 BioSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:28 Drazerk wrote:
From this point on I am now ignoring any post that has anything to do with House Chezinu
I advice everyone else does the same so we can play a normal game If the last Bastard game was any indication, this will be a bit stranger than a normal game. Speaking of this House Chezinu... You "guys" want a lot for giving not so much. Are you a mason group? Can you recruit? I'm staying cautiously positive atm. Unless you guys have cupcakes to offer, then I may change my stance =D On June 17 2012 14:27 BioSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 14:06 EchelonTee wrote:
Isn't House Chezinu that 5th party mason circle from Aperture Mafia? Which means they are the good guys? Do you have a link/proof? For those of us bastards not in the loop? Not doubting you, just want as much info as possible.
After this, there's only his case on KB, which was exactly enough to let him fly under the radar for all the rest of D1. Nothing else of use is in his filter, which would be pretty incriminating by itself, but lets look further. Go and look at this, his filter in his only other TL Mafia:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343892&user=85763
Eeee gads! This filter is chock-a-block full of PBPA. He may have been wrong in Newbie XIII, but he was very VOCALLY wrong.
Now look at his filter this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343892&user=85763
Something tells me he learned from his newbie game: lurker scum wins... so he's giving it a try!
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EBWOP: whoops. I fucked that up. This is his filter in Newbie XIII.
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So now that that target is dead. Who else do you think we should kill off?
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Hmmm, so neither BioSC nor DropBear made your list. New blood indeed!
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The problem with any theory in which KB was not the king is this:
On June 20 2012 17:10 Acrofales wrote:
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On setup speculation: while I don't like using mistakes by the host as a tell, I don't think he would've forgotten to update KB's vote on the final count if it was the only one that mattered. If the king doesn't know he's king, then HiroPro or BioSC are kingly options. Neither of these options make a lot of sense to me (HiroPro's post was too close to the deadline to read and decide upon, imho).
That leaves: the king knows he was king. The only person to not post tonight is Hyaach and I doubt he was king. So either the king has some reason for not exposing himself (either he's not allowed to, or the king was scum/3rd party), or the king is dead.
I presume the M.A. knows enough about the setup to be able to distinguish between these options and we'll figure it out tomorrow. If the king is a death sentence, then the minute this ability is used on a townie, that townie should just say so.
The final suggestion was Talismania's: the king lynch is decided with the smiley face and the king cannot lynch the M.A. This seems farfetched, but it's not impossible. The possible presence of more than one A.M.A. means we shouldn't try to confirm this theory yet. Even the voicing of this possibility could've been shooting ourselves in the foot (and yeah, I also figured it out at the eureka post... just not the why you thought that).
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