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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 22 2012 15:40 GMT
#1553
Wait, I'm confused. (Not changed my vote confused, just "why are we here again" confused.) Why are we playing shenanigans with the votes again? Drazerk's objection to the DropBear lynch seemed to be based around the fact that he thought it was more important to lynch Nisani. So how does lynching DropBear this way fix that?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 22 2012 15:45 GMT
#1556
Gotcha. Okay, I like this plan. This is a good plan.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 22 2012 16:31 GMT
#1570
@S+B: You might want to spell his name right...
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 22 2012 16:50 GMT
#1575
On June 23 2012 01:46 talismania wrote:
you need to vote him to ensure his (and your) death.


On June 23 2012 01:48 Nisani201 wrote:
Done, going to read the thread now.


There's something you don't see everyday.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 22 2012 18:27 GMT
#1604
@Acro: Isn't that plan based on xbard being town? You've stated a couple of times that you don't buy his roleclaim. What's up with that.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 22 2012 18:32 GMT
#1606
Wait. So your theory on me being scum is that the dead guy was once on a team with someone who liked bussing his scummates, and the deadguy also thought that the guy I replaced was scummy, so I must be scum.
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 22 2012 18:41 GMT
#1613
Scum wouldn't shoot me tonight. Killing me doesn't get them any closer to winning the game. I don't count as town for their wincon, as detailed previously. I'm fine with being roleblocked, my problem is that I don't think it will help us find scum.

Your plan needs a town DT to actually work, and I haven't seen anything that shows you've thought that out. It's very strange considering the fact that you thought he was lying about his roleclaim to begin with.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 23 2012 22:21 GMT
#1675
On June 24 2012 03:13 HiroPro wrote:
Back to being useless then for me


Why? You spent a huge part of the beginning of the game actively hunting scum. House Chezinu took up, what, two or three pages of your filter, and began your case on xcrzd. Now, after you claim Neutral Linked Survivor, you're all like

On June 22 2012 01:41 HiroPro wrote:
Because I'm not bulletproof lol. If someone decides that I'm being too helpful to town, they can kill me.


You weren't afraid to play protown then, so why the change of heart?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 23 2012 23:40 GMT
#1684
@tali/whoever asked me that question: I don't know anything about what happened last night other than what's in the thread. I didn't get an rb notification, but i checked and i wouldn't even if I was rb'd, since I don't have any night actions.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 24 2012 17:38 GMT
#1723
Acro put together a pretty good case on xderp. And I agree on it, but I think it misses out on the most scummy thing that xegad has done (namely because he hadn't done it at that point).

If you are a DT with a red check, and people want to lynch you, why wouldn't you be pushing your red check?

He lied about his claim. There's no way a town DT would act the way he has in this situation.

##vote xfrac
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 24 2012 19:25 GMT
#1745
On June 25 2012 04:12 Drazerk wrote:
Hmmm

What if S+B is linked to Hiro who is actually a survivor but S+B himself is also Maju's scum partner

Its not out of the realm of possibilities and it reinforces the whole bastard theme much better (It could also be visa versa but we can deal with it once the main trio are dead)


I'm calling this the "evil twin" phenomena, and it will show up if/when I host an insane game.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 25 2012 14:00 GMT
#1789
@xsksc:

On June 10 2012 20:40 Forumite wrote:
Some player may check out wrong on alignment checks, but if so, they will be read the same during the whole game.


So it doesn't really matter who we tell you to check out, Framers have already framed who they're going to frame.

Weird, you would think that the DT would know this sort of thing.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 25 2012 14:06 GMT
#1791
But they aren't claiming to be the DT. Maju's PM says that he gets to frame a player Night 0, and that player will get checked opposite the rest of the game. The rules state that any wrong alignment check will read wrong the entire game. That doesn't make it sound like a framer role is possible in this game.

I would expect someone claiming to be the DT to pick up on these sorts of things.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 25 2012 14:13 GMT
#1793
I'd rather lynch S+B, because it makes it harder for the town to lynch me. Unfortunately, xgrak is pretty clearly lying about his role, and I will almost always vote to lynch the scum in front of me.

@acro: I have to agree with S+B, which is too bad, because I think he's scum/anti-town too. I think you're relying too much on mechanics to get through this game. Stop worrying about the best lynch, and lynch the scum in front of you. xhrvd is lying about his roleclaim, lynch him first and then we can worry about lynching into S+B/Hiro.

Also, Hiro protown? He's afk'd himself since he claimed neutral survivor linked whatever he is.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 25 2012 16:09 GMT
#1805
@hiro: A) Why would bother reading the thread?

B) Choice excerpts from the 10th page of your filter:

On June 24 2012 02:50 HiroPro wrote:
Damn it s&b, now I need to start thinking again. Fuck I shouldn't have stopped updating my spreadsheet.

On June 24 2012 03:13 HiroPro wrote:
IMaLive

Mister mister role role roleblocker dun a good job.

On June 24 2012 03:13 HiroPro wrote:
Back to being useless then for me

On June 24 2012 07:57 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 07:21 ghost_403 wrote:
On June 24 2012 03:13 HiroPro wrote:
Back to being useless then for me


Why? You spent a huge part of the beginning of the game actively hunting scum. House Chezinu took up, what, two or three pages of your filter, and began your case on xcrzd. Now, after you claim Neutral Linked Survivor, you're all like

On June 22 2012 01:41 HiroPro wrote:
Because I'm not bulletproof lol. If someone decides that I'm being too helpful to town, they can kill me.


You weren't afraid to play protown then, so why the change of heart?


To stay alive, I needed to show that I wasn't anti-town. Now that I've established that, there's no reason for me to help town.

On June 24 2012 08:06 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 08:04 Drazerk wrote:
On June 24 2012 07:57 HiroPro wrote:
On June 24 2012 07:21 ghost_403 wrote:
On June 24 2012 03:13 HiroPro wrote:
Back to being useless then for me


Why? You spent a huge part of the beginning of the game actively hunting scum. House Chezinu took up, what, two or three pages of your filter, and began your case on xcrzd. Now, after you claim Neutral Linked Survivor, you're all like

On June 22 2012 01:41 HiroPro wrote:
Because I'm not bulletproof lol. If someone decides that I'm being too helpful to town, they can kill me.


You weren't afraid to play protown then, so why the change of heart?


To stay alive, I needed to show that I wasn't anti-town. Now that I've established that, there's no reason for me to help town.


We all ok policy lynching Hiro and S+B even if it loses us the game?


Town wouldn't even be in this good a situation if I hadn't helped lol. And if you had actually listened to me about DropBear, you'd be doing even better.


And by choice, I mean the first five. The rest of the posts on that page are similarly useless. You've been riding the town goodwill since you debunked House Chezinu and 'caught' xiron.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 25 2012 17:44 GMT
#1852
On June 26 2012 02:10 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 02:01 Acrofales wrote:
On June 26 2012 01:48 talismania wrote:
actually fuck it.

if we're going to lynch third party, why not ghost? fourface claimed insane dt - why? probably because his ass wanted to mislead town. He's a survivor alright, but wins with scum. Just a thought. Also ghost has been acting weird since he's arrived.

Lynching ghost actually has a good chance of catching scum imho. As today has developed, he has been acting weirder and weirder. 4F never really convinced me he was town in any way. Ghost has played more coherently. It was actually you who convinced me 4F/ghost was improbable scum. Also, if we lynch ghost and he flips scum then we've proven Hyaach as a pretty townie roleblocker, leaving the road even clearer for an xsksc lynch tomorrow.

I am not opposed to killing ghost. My main reason for picking Hiro/SnB is because there is something fishy about their role and until we lynch one of them or the game ends we won't know what it is. I am inquisitive and not above lynching for information

Let me go reread ghost's filter, but a switch to ghost does not seem like a bad plan. At worst it'll prove that roleblocking ghost was NOT what stopped the mafia kill from happening.



Cool, I guess you guys can have this.


ghost_403 has claimed BP survivor and said that since he's BP, it's in his best interest to play pro-town. Thing is, ghost hasn't actually done anything like that this game. He makes a call for Nisani to be shot without ever talking about why he thinks Nisani is scum. He makes "reads" on DropBear and xsksc that just rephrase what other people have already said about them. Additionally, look at how uncomfortable ghost was with providing a concrete opinion on DropBear's alignment. ghost refers multiple times to DropBear as "bad townie or scum", but never actually decides which one it is.

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 21 2012 01:11 ghost_403 wrote:
Nisani
StrongAndBig
MajuGazett
KharadBanar
EschelonTee

Two of my best scum reads are already dead, GJ town.

I really don't like having to put ET on this list, given how much him and my predecessor fought it out, but I really don't like how he jumped around on his voting. Later, I'll look through some of his previous games to see how he votes as town. Also, never trust the guy who reports the votecounts.

Given a bullet, I would shoot Nisani in a heartbeat.


On June 21 2012 01:25 ghost_403 wrote:
BioSC looked townish to me, but that came mostly from the reading of the House Chezinu situation early on in the game. Past that, I didn't really notice anything significant about him.

DropBear didn't make it on my spreadsheet until I looked at the players list. Points to terrible townie or lurking scum.


On June 22 2012 06:57 ghost_403 wrote:
I'm not a big fan of DropBear. He opens the game by pushing KB, then drops it after Maju flips because his single vote somehow exonerates him of all scumminess. It's a bad move on his part, but he was rather townish in how he stuck to his guns on that issue. Past that, the only thing he's really contributed is his case on Nisani. Take a look at his filter, he's not bringing anything to the town at all. Also, I don't like how he refuses to claim his role's name. Everyone else has, why not him? Very strange. He's either scum or very bad townie.

Now to look at xkcd. My ride home is almost here, so that might not get put up for a bit.




Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 03:41 ghost_403 wrote:
Scum wouldn't shoot me tonight. Killing me doesn't get them any closer to winning the game. I don't count as town for their wincon, as detailed previously. I'm fine with being roleblocked, my problem is that I don't think it will help us find
scum. Your plan needs a town DT to actually work, and I haven't seen anything that shows you've thought that out. It's very strange considering the fact that you thought he was lying about his roleclaim to begin with.


ghost has claimed that he is bulletproof. So why is it that he's speculating about why scum wouldn't kill him? That scenario should never even cross his mind; it's not just that he's talking about being shot (that would be understable), but he specifically refers to himself dying from a scum shot (something which should not be possible if his claim is true).

The differences between what ghost has claimed to be and his actual words and actions in the thread are stark. ghost claimed that he is bulletproof, yet the way he talks suggests exactly the opposite. ghost says that he's a survivor who's interested in helping town as it helps him out too; yet he's done absolutely no scumhunting.



On June 26 2012 02:12 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 02:10 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, quick wrapup of ghost's play. He is clearly completely unconcerned about who is getting lynched (while he is out-of-shot). Which makes him not-town. But we knew that already. Complete toss-up between scum and 3rd party as far as I can read him, though.


Think about what ghost has claimed. He says that he's a BP survivor who's going to help town because he's at no risk of dying; has he actually done that? No.



On June 26 2012 02:33 HiroPro wrote:
ok, voting for ghost then, if that's what you guys want.


One of the greatest skills for scum to have is to get the ball rolling, then distance themselves from the mess that it causes.

Hiro, if you're going to push my lynch, I fully expect you to own it.
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 25 2012 17:51 GMT
#1861
@acro: I'm trying to point out that he's talking out of both sides of his mouth. You can't claim "I don't care" then push lynch candidates. Last I checked, xkhla wasn't on his scum team. So why does he care that it's me and not him? That's not neutral.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 25 2012 17:58 GMT
#1873
Well, now, that's just not cool.

You're not gonna hit scum by lynching me.

Since I fear I'm going to get lynched, and I do consider myself protown, I'm going to say this.

xlmfa is scum and was lying about being a DT, and should have been lynched today.
S+B and Hiro are a scum team. Hiro has been talking out of both sides of his mouth all game. S+B has been playing scummy the whole time.
Scum held their KP to frame me, as you'll shortly see.

gl town, catch you on the flip side.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 25 2012 18:00 GMT
#1877
BEHOLD THE ONE YOU KILLED.

[image loading]


and gg.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 27 2012 18:04 GMT
#2026
Neutal linked survivors. wat.

@Zephridd You sure?

G. G. everyone!

Zephridd, thanks for hosting! Forumite, thanks for... whatever it is you do here
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