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SO. I'm back.
Yesterday, I basically did a huge derp and didn't think about the consequences of joining House Chezinu. I did this not once, but on three different occasions. I realise this makes me look really scummy, so I'm going to explain again my whole train of thought why I did what I did.
I never considered the House to be made up by HiroPro although in hindsight it seems kinda obvious the mods wouldn't have made a faction that hard to balance.
So here are my thoughts, basically in the order they occurred to me.
At first, I thought the House probably wasn't going to be any upside for people joining, and they'd get your credentials. This was my first post on the topic where I advocated against it.
Then Nisani "allied" with Hiro and Hiro accepted it, which made me think "maybe I can ally too, so I at least don't have to worry about any members of the house who would want to pick a fight with me". This was my first real derp, because it should basically not matter to me what anyone thinks of me as long as I can explain myself. Anyway, talismania noticed I kind of flip-flopped there and accused me of being scum for it (what with talking to others in a QT and changing my opinion because of that).
I was then asked why I allied with House Chezinu, because townies don't have to, and I gave the answer of narrowing down my field of analysis, because potentially I would have the advantage of scum members of House Chezinu not attacking me. Assuming the House existed, I think this is still not an invalid point of view. I would clearly have profited from it as a 3rd Party/Survivor, but allying to them as a townie did not and still does not look very wrong to me.
That being said, I don't want to sit around being a useless townperson, and I have re-read the thread to search for inconsistencies from other people. I found one minor case with Hyaach which I would like to present to you:
On June 17 2012 03:46 Hyaach wrote:
While I'm inclined to be part of House Chezinu, 5th Party.
I can't hold my liquor so well.
On June 18 2012 00:05 Hyaach wrote:
I cannot see the reason 201 and KB are so eager to ally a faction whose alignment is unknown but until we know more about House Chezinu. Anyone dismissing or allying house Chezinu is suspicious. Town win on information. So making informed decision is the way to win.
Waiting on Hiropro's response.
Basically, at first he immediately wants to join (this is even before Nisani201's alliance proposal), but then is very unsure about Nisani201 and me are allying to them because "the alignment of the faction is unknown."
If you are concerned about the faction being of unkown alignment, why did you try to join in the first place?
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The game went underway very quickly, there was no real "spamming" period.
And even if there was, "I'm inclined to be part of House Chezinu" doesn't look like "just adding flavor to spam" to me... This looks like you trying to get into The House.
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On June 18 2012 04:45 HiroPro wrote:
KB, I want to hear your thoughts on MajuGarzett.
His first couple posts are all questions on the inner workings of House Chezinu which seems like the usual earlygame discussion attempts. One could possibly interpret that as scum gauging whether or not it's worthwhile to enter, but it's entirely possible that this is just genuine interest, in which case it's a null read so I'm not ready to judge Maju on that alone.
On June 17 2012 11:07 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote:On June 17 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote:
I should read the thread but that is too much effort ... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_- Is anyone else around atm? The thread's gone pretty quiet, let's try and get some constructive discussion going. I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game. Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear. Well allying such a shady group is weird but there's no real downside to it as the alliance is so far just empty words. I can see why they did it. Honestly I think that the house won't really do anything to help Nisani and KB.
This is essentially what I was thinking at that moment, and I'm town, so I don't get a real read in any direction here either (I know some of you were getting slight scum vibes from him at that point, what with softdefending the scummy looking Nisani and me, but he really understood my though process)
There is however a noticeable absence of any accusations in his filter, which suggests he's either an uninterested townie, 3rd Party or scum. In conclusion, Maju looks less townish than the Night 0 discussion leaders (Acrofales and HiroPro, later EchelonTee), but not scummy enough for me to be willing to lynch him.
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On June 18 2012 06:43 Nisani201 wrote:
Some other points to make:
If you are the "king" then you should claim that you are, as well as the powers you have.
I also don't like the case on Maju
I don't think a King claim would be in order right now, at least if he hasn't got some crazy power like being bulletproof.
We probably have Assassins in this setup who are just waiting to find out who he is so they can kill him and win.
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On June 18 2012 06:52 KharadBanar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 06:43 Nisani201 wrote:
Some other points to make:
If you are the "king" then you should claim that you are, as well as the powers you have.
I also don't like the case on Maju I don't think a King claim would be in order right now, at least if he hasn't got some crazy power like being bulletproof. We probably have Assassins in this setup who are just waiting to find out who he is so they can kill him and win.
EBWOP
If someone other than the King knows what powers the King gets, and feels safe about claiming so (I guess there's people who want to kill the Monarchist Activist too), that would be nice to know; just don't reveal who it actually is so our King doesn't die straight away.
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Now that I am back home, and have read up on the thread so far, I have realised that the mob of people wanting to lynch me still hasn't died down. Many people have argued against me with similar cases, and I want to respond to DropBear's post because I think it has, among other things, a pretty comprehensive collection of arguments that were posed against me.
I will throw my responses into the quote in bold text.
On June 18 2012 22:59 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 21:13 Acrofales wrote:On June 18 2012 20:03 DropBear wrote:
Lol Acrofales that first post started off with the lyrics from the matchbox 20 song 3am because it was 3am my time. I was saying that I don't want to join house Chezinu, whats the problem there? I very specifically took a stance against joining, how is that blending?
No shit Hiro never mentioned the King. I thought his recruitment drive thing was cos he was allied with the king and was asking him if it was true.
You don't mind my post as to saying why I find KB suspicious, but then you don't think its a reason to want him dead? That's a paradox. You can't like my reasoning and then tell me its bad reasoning. I want KB dead and I stand by that. You have omitted several of my posts that also indicate that I don't trust him.
This case seems poorly thought out man. I wouldn't go so far as to say manufactured, but poorly thought out.
If you don't think KB is town, why would you not want him dead as well? I still don't understand how you ever got a link between Hiro and the king... it makes no sense. You didn't "very specifically take a stance against Chezinu", you said you didn't trust them "yet", which is about the same as saying nothing. Drazerk took a stance against Chezinu. I took a stance against Chezinu. Talismania made his opinon on Chezinu clear (saying he wanted more info before considering them). Nisani and KB also had a clear stance on Chezinu. You just blended, making a post that can be interpreted either way. The same is your early pressure on KB: at the time it was good. It was a correctly voiced suspicion of some suspicious shit. However, he answered your suspicions. Your only real post about KB since then was "I want him dead". I guess when you say you've posted "other stuff on KB" indicating you don't trust him, you are referring to this: On June 17 2012 11:47 DropBear wrote:On June 17 2012 05:15 KharadBanar wrote:On June 17 2012 04:50 DropBear wrote:Something about this post from KharadBanar seems a bit off. On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:
If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.
By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason. This is a whole bunch of filler really. You can say I don't want to join cos of lack of trust, why bother with the extended spiel about how giving info to scum is bad? Why crap on about how they can't tell everything? Are you trying to look like you are contributing? You also don't seem to be including yourself in the townies you speak of, are you a third party KB? Welp, there goes my "ignoring The HOUSE" stance, because I want to explain myself: I bother with the extended spiel about giving info to scum because I do not think everyone in this thread had realised this by then. The scum team would presumably be very interested in getting one (exactly one) of their players into The HOUSE so they can use him as an information link between all the players in The HOUSE and their own team. We (the town players) are all on our own until we join The HOUSE, but when we join The HOUSE to have a side conversation in there, that one scum player will be very happy to listen in on that and pass it on to his team mates. This is why I don't think that joining The HOUSE is advantageous to us. Finally, if we look at the extreme case where everyone but the anti-HOUSE players joins The HOUSE, we have a very weird situation where (I think) the Board of The HOUSE knows everyone's alignment but everyone else doesn't, and I have no idea who would profit from that but I don't want to try it out. I just wanted to "crap on about how they can't tell everything" because I thought about the issue and wanted to share my thoughts about it with you, which doesn't strike me as a very bad thing to do. Oh wow words words words this makes me think something is off about you even more. If we have any blues please kill/check him tonight. + Show Spoiler [Other stuff] +
Talismani, I don't have this information so are this king and monarchist activist person you speak of related or unrelated? My wikipedia search of what a monarchist activist is says that they support the crown, but may also support someone who has been deposed or rightfully belongs there
Does the monarchist activist support the current King or another one? I am guessing another one, as you say some people need to kill the activist. It makes sense that the current King and his subjects would want any challengers dead.
Furthermore, HiroPro I'm guessing you aren't the king himself but are allied with him/her? You still haven't actually given a reason to kill him. Which comes together with my final answer to you: why do you think KharadBanar is scum. I think he's not town. I am not yet sure he's anti-town and don't find his behaviour actually scummy... it seems far more likely that he's a survivor or some other non-helpful third party. My priorities are on finding and killing scum. So far, you're still my favourite target and this defense of yours is unconvincing. I don't mind being wrong, though. How about you tell me why KB is scum and should die. Yes he did answer my suspicions. With a post that made me more suspicious of him. I accused him of talking a lot and saying nothing, he replied, his reply was more of the same. I think he is scum because he made a slip that is not including himself among town. KharadBanar's response: In all the games I've read on this forum, this kind of argumentation has lead to more dead townies than scum. I wish people would take things like that less seriously, because this is equally likely to happen to everybody.I think he is scum because of his constant apologising which shows inherent guilt. KharadBanar's response: If you look at my filters in the two games which I have played so far (Newbie Mini Mafia VI and Newbie Mini Mafia VIII), you will see that I am a very "defensive" player regardless of alignment. I put "defensive" in quotation marks there because I'm not acting that way because of guilt tripping, but because I want the other players to understand my thought processes. All the things I said about House Chezinu were directly based upon that.I think he is scum because of his flailing around based on popular opinion regarding house chezinu on night0 trying desperately not to offend anybody. KharadBanar's response: I would not call my allying to the House "popular opinion". At the time, there was only Nisani201 who had already done that, and loads of other people in the thread were very skeptic of them. Also, letting one's opinion be influenced by others in the thread is not a bad thing. If nobody would ever let themselves get influenced by good arguments, we (town) would never reach a consensus which is very much needed at many points in the game (though possibly not Night 0).I think he is scum because of his large wordy but contentless post saying things like "giving mafia information is bad" in 3 paragraphs that make it look like he is helping but he isn't. KharadBanar's response: Again, read my filters in the previous games. Being verbose is just what I do, it is a character trait of me just like Drazerk's aggressive arguing and Kenpachi's disinterested trolling.I think he is scum rather than a third party because Nisani is defending him and Nisani is dodgy as shit. Nisani defends him from both xcxkc or however you spell it and also myself. Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 10:19 Nisani201 wrote:
I think the case is horrible. Could be a bus, not sure because I'm null on KB at the moment.
He takes out a lot of context from KB's actions, and he doesn't point out why points 1&2 are scummy. Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 10:26 Nisani201 wrote:
The third point is lacking "context." He accuses KB of being diplomatic with the horse chezinu but in reality that is not true. As for this first post I made which you keep bringing up, I said I wouldn't join. And I didn't join. My actions speak for themselves.
As for a possible lynch, I have just come home and read up on the thread; I didn't have enough time to go through people's filters yet, which I will now do.
The only thing I can say for sure is that I don't like Drazerk's recent behaviour, especially his recent statement saying that he has not even read his role PM. Now I know that this per definition does not say anything about his alignment, but I think that Mafia, even if it's a bastard game, should be taken serious to at least some standard, because everything else is just retarded (imagine everyone doing that...)
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Having read through some of the filters of less vocal players, it has occured to me that BioSC is pretty much just coasting by right now, picking an easy target (me, but that's not really the point here), and contributing nothing else to a healthy discussion.
On June 18 2012 10:09 BioSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 03:00 Acrofales wrote:BioSC: On June 17 2012 04:39 BioSC wrote:On June 17 2012 04:28 Drazerk wrote:
From this point on I am now ignoring any post that has anything to do with House Chezinu
I advice everyone else does the same so we can play a normal game If the last Bastard game was any indication, this will be a bit stranger than a normal game. Speaking of this House Chezinu... You "guys" want a lot for giving not so much. Are you a mason group? Can you recruit? I'm staying cautiously positive atm. Unless you guys have cupcakes to offer, then I may change my stance =D This is a non-opinion wrapped in fancy text. Now that HiroPro has been posting a bit more, what do you think of Chezinu? What do you think of KB and Nisani's "alliance" with them? What do you think of Drazerk and my stances versus them?
My opinion? That it was a super awesome practical joke! I LOVE practical jokes! The best kinds are the ones that get people to talk about them way after the joke's over! I was a bit cautious like a few others, I think that ET had it right. I wasn't about to give up my role PM that easily! As to HiroPro and my thoughts on him, getting people talking doesn't necessarily mean he is a Townie-wownie, because those bastard scum have just as much reason to hunt down them as Town does! I want to find em both, though, cuz that's how I WIN! And I LOVE winning! Drazerk strikes me as someone who wants to die, and take a bullet rather than be lynched. That's reading pretty strange to me, I'll be sure to keep an eye on him. KB, though, strikes me as anti-town. Most of his posts are about that awesome practical joke, and how he wants to make sure they know he's not an enemy, making huge-gigantic-super-spectacular posts about it/him! This strikes me as something a scumy-wummy or 3rd party pooper would do, and either way, its something I want to get rid of! If I had to pick a meanie-weanie to get rid of today, it would be him! ## Vote: KaradBanar
Here we see one sentence about my actual behaviour, and the rest (2/3 of the paragraph) are just "huge-gigantic-super-spectacular" "scummy-wummy" padding. This does not sit right with me, especially on a player who doesn't post that much else. Notice also how he misspells my name 
On June 18 2012 10:15 BioSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 09:20 Nisani201 wrote:--Snipped-- xsksc is who I'd like to lynch today. Read his filter, and you'll see that he is sort of unwilling to contribute but is trying to make posts in the thread. In other words, all of his posts are easy to make. His most recent post, commenting on me and KB wanting to ally with the House Chezinu, is once again very diplomatic and is siding towards the general popular opinion on the thread. Putting my vote on him for now. ##Vote: xsksc What do you think about xsksc's case on KB? Right now it makes a lot of sense to me, and I know when things don't make sense. Do you think he's right or wrong? Do you think that KB is acting like a bastard?
This is his other content post (apart from that it's just Night 0 talk and Father's Day fluff). What does this post do? Well, if I am reading it correctly, not a whole lot. He's just randomly questioning Nisani201 without giving a reason for it (Why Nisani201? Why are the questions about xsksc?). This seems to me an awful lot like someone who is trying to look townish with the minimum required amount of effort, and I propose BioSC as a lynch target for today.
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On June 19 2012 03:58 EchelonTee wrote:
BioSC? Not now.
Lynch maju.
Why not? If Bio doesn't get pressured we may never hear a something useful from him.
On the other hand, Maju pretty much has the same problems as Bio right now. I'm not opposed to pressuring him right now either.
In fact, I want to get more people in this thread to not lurk.
##Vote: MajuGarzett
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On June 19 2012 04:10 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 04:09 talismania wrote:
People who should I shoot:
Drazerk
strongandbig
Nisani201
deconduo
FourFace
? Why Dec?
If I'm not mistaken it's because he's currently lurking pretty badly and hasn't made a case yet. Am I correct in that assumption, talismania?
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On June 19 2012 05:05 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 05:05 talismania wrote:On June 19 2012 05:04 Drazerk wrote:
(Had it been multi shot I would of had you shoot me btw) Go on... You clearly have never seen me play town... I need to be killed before lylo if town want to win (unless I get mod confirmed or some shit like that)
This doesn't make sense. If town lynch scum instead of you, it doesn't even come to LYLO so it's irrelevant.
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On June 19 2012 05:45 EchelonTee wrote:
npnpnpnpn, just want to make sure you don't do it too last minute.
Maju or Dropbear. Vote em or bring a better case.
I am for DropBear at the moment, the reason being that DropBear actually played somewhat scummy, Maju "just" lurked until now. I'm keeping my lynch vote on Maju though.
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EBWOP:
Let's make it a bit more clear.
##Dayvig-vote: DropBear
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On June 19 2012 06:10 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 05:53 KharadBanar wrote:
EBWOP:
Let's make it a bit more clear.
##Dayvig-vote: DropBear can you elaborate on this? Is Dropbear dying?
EchelonTee proposed on the last page that people vote between DropBear and MajuGarzett whom talismania should shoot, or at least I understood it like that. I voted vor DropBear.
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On June 19 2012 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
Hurrah. So we can confirm Maju's meta: when he looks like scum in his first 5 posts, he is in fact scum! Nice shot, Tali.
I'm also back on the KB train, btw. However, it's a weird love triangle with DropBear that I don't get at all.
DropBear, on the other hand is not. His reason for taking his vote off KB is unconvincing. If he really doesn't think KB is scum, he would have said something that his defense is adequate, but if he was scum in the first place, then nobody going along with his mislynch is a good reason to put his vote to better use.
What are you accusing me of? You said on other occasions that you think I'm a Serial Killer (which is incorrect, too) but here you are saying DropBear pulling his vote off me makes me scummy. But for that, he would have to know I am scum to begin with. Are you saying there's another two-person team consisting of DropBear and me? Because that would be rather unlikely, even from your perspective.
In fact, this quote is much more incriminating for DropBear than it is for me.
cont.See here: Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 12:51 DropBear wrote:
Jesus christ you guys are spammy. Please stop with the one-liners!
I'm reading up. Good shot on majugarzett, I'm unvoting KB for now cos he was voting for maju according to the voting thread. KB had his vote on Maju at the start of D1. Let me repeat that: START of the day. He didn't actually vote for Maju... nor do we know he would have if you are right, KB is scum and Maju was his scumbuddy. Even if he did end up voting, his main case is not Maju and he hasn't really been pushing for his lynch (in fact, he was setting himself up to be able to switch off without looking suspicions). How does a post like + Show Spoiler [KB "pressuring" Maju] +On June 19 2012 05:51 KharadBanar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 05:45 EchelonTee wrote:
npnpnpnpn, just want to make sure you don't do it too last minute.
Maju or Dropbear. Vote em or bring a better case. I am for DropBear at the moment, the reason being that DropBear actually played somewhat scummy, Maju "just" lurked until now. I'm keeping my lynch vote on Maju though. let KB off the hook. If anything, it makes him look scummier.
Here, you go with DropBear's earlier assumption that I was Maju's scumbuddy. I find some things wrong with that.
- First, a little factual correction. I wasn't voting for Maju from the START of the day, unless you call 20 hours in the START of the day.
- The above part of your post puts some suspicion on DropBear. Here you go along with his assumption, and passingly accuse me of being scum to prove a point. I think too that DropBear is scum, but for reasons other than that.
- You say I'm prone to fake pressuring people when I'm scum. That is correct, but I don't think I would ever fake pressure a scumbuddy in that situation. I could just as easily have voted for BioSC, who had a similar filter at that point. I know that because I compared them and came to the conclusion I didn't mind a Maju lynch either.
cont.
For more on how KB likes to "pressure" people in D1 when he's scum, I suggest you read Newbie VIII. His pressure there was about as convincing as this pressure on Maju was.
However, back to DropBear. After being "convinced" that KB is no longer scum, he switches to Nisani. While there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to lynch Nisani (see other comments, below), his case seems forced. It is also just another run-of-the-mill candidate who has, in fact, all but claimed some kind of 3rd party role in the thread, yet the case doesn't mention that at all.
As a final part of the puzzle, I suggest you search for Maju in DropBear's filter. The only time it pops up is after Tali shoots Maju. Scum don't like to mention each other... ever. They don't like to defend each other (because connections can be made) and they don't want to attack each other. Hence, a common scum play is to just not mention one's scumbuddies unless forced to. Note that this is more of a light scumslip addition than anything I would normally build a case around, but add it to generally scummy behaviour and I think we've found Maju's scumbuddy.
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I am not yet decided on Nisani. I don't like some things in his play, specifically the way he just posts suspicions on people without committing, but I have not yet found anything conclusively scummy in his play. What I mainly don't like is his claimed "extra wincon". That sounds like 3P to me. I have an extra condition for losing, but can ONLY win with town. Any way to win, other than with town, sounds fishy. At best, it's like lynching Glados in Aperture and at worst, it's an anti-town wincon. While I feel DB is a better lynch for the moment, he is not a bad candidate.
BioSC and Hyaach are lurking like bawzes and should be shot. Gonna read up on xsksc next.
In my mind, this post doesn't really explain why you are "back on the KB train" again. You just accuse me because it makes your case on other people easier who voted/unvoted me, for their own reasons.
On June 19 2012 18:35 EchelonTee wrote:
about 8.5 hours to lynch. It's go time.
As far I can tell, the only viable candidates are Nisani201, DropBear, xsksc, or KB. Pick between then; since it's plurality lynch, there isn't as much rush hullabaloo to consolidate, but you best put your reasoning down.
I'd like opinions on xsksc, because there hasn't been much discussion on him. He also stated that he might not be around for deadline, which is troubling.
My opinions on Nisani201, DropBear, and xsksc, and whom of them to lynch:
- Nisani201 looks like a neutral Survivor to me, as other people have explained before. He has "a win condition and a lose condition", but nothing indicates that his goals conflict with those of the town. I don't think he would be an especially good lynch for today, except for the information we would gain from his role PM.
- xsksc's filter does not raise any immediate red flags. He was very suspicious of me once, but I can understand that pretty well since my play looked really scummy, even to myself when I go back and read it. He also went along with DropBear's accusation of Nisani201, but since Maju's scum team only includes 2 people and not 3, they are very unlikely to be related. (If there were to be a 3 people scum team, one could argue that DropBear and xsksc were the two remaining scums because of their coordinated push on an easy lynch. This is not the case.) Apart from that, he has contributed little to the discussion, but not to the point where I want to lynch him as a lurker. This might change at some point.
- DropBear is my favourite candidate for a lynch today. Acrofales raised some very valid points on him (interspersed with some not so valid points because of seeing connections where they are very unlikely): His case on Nisani201 is not very substantial with !!!FLASHING RED LETTERS!!! distracting from this fact, and he doesn't mention Maju at all which seems scummy. For this reason, DropBear is my favourite lynch candidate of today.
##Unvote: MajuGarzett (invalidated vote)
##Vote: DropBear
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On June 19 2012 20:49 EchelonTee wrote:
Vote Count: (in order of voting)
Nisani (5): dropbear, xsksc, hiropro, deconduo, Hyaach
xsksc (3): nisani, tali, ET
DropBear (2): Drazerk, Acro
KharadBanar (1): BioSC
MajuGarzett (1): KB
EchelonTee (1): FourFace
Not Voted: Strongandbig
Nisani to be lynched.
Kharad still hasn't changed his vote from the dead Maju =/ maybe I was wrong about him. Given the chance for a breather, he uses it to lurk instead of contribute or be townie or anything.
I consider BioSC's vote a throwaway; I highly doubt he is Town. Completely unconcerned with what has been going on lately. Voting someone who is highly unlikely to be lynched at this point suggests that you are unconcerned with who will be lynched, and of the people voting low count players, BioSC is by far the most scummy.
FourFace has also been absent for a while, since his case on me got shut down. And where the heck is SnB?
I was writing my post while you posted that vote count 
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On June 20 2012 01:07 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 01:03 Drazerk wrote:
The role in itself is a scum get away tool and anyway we can have YOUR lynch target be the last person to vote for him if he is telling the truth
Possibility of two birds with one stone? It's better than just lynching DropBear I guess. But I would still prefer that we just lynch KB. How do we even get KB to unvote, though?
If it makes you feel any better about me,
##Unvote: DropBear
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If anyone else wants to vote for DropBear, I volunteer to re-vote him again so I'm the last one.
DropBear: I do this because I actually don't believe you, just so you know.
If you tell the truth, and I flip, town at least don't have to worry about my alignment anymore.
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On June 20 2012 01:36 talismania wrote:
True but let's focus our efforts on finding Maju's partner here. He's the best lead we have.
KB is very unlikely to be that partner based on the fact that he put vote #4 on Maju.
A little factual correction: My vote was the second one to go on Maju. It didn't decide anything at the time, but I wanted the possibility of a Maju lynch to be real should he not contribute from that point on.
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