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On June 17 2012 05:01 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:53 HiroPro wrote:On June 17 2012 04:41 Acrofales wrote:
Yo Drazerk, want to roleclaim in the thread? I don't trust you on basic principle and you're bound to claim some outrageously ridiculous role. I want to see it before I decide whether you're worth lynching over House Chezinu.
@HiroPro: ignoring me is dumb. I have legitimate concerns about you and House Chezinu and I feel your play is screwing up this game in a way that can only benefit scum (or, as the mods are phrasing it, anti-town).
You claim 5th party, which almost by definition is not town. You are also claiming a mysterious board of directors who you are unwilling to talk about, yet are convinced are town. I have a far simpler solution: Chezinu is scum and the board of directors is whoever else is chatting to Hiro in ScumQT.
Just another question: how many directors are there on your so-called board of directors?
We are House Chezinu, 5th Party. That is all I am permitted to say. Portals of the past may aid you in learning about us. The number of board members will not be released.
On June 17 2012 04:43 talismania wrote:
HiroPro
What is your win condition?
Would me or anyone else joining your House of Chezinu help that win condition?
If so, how?
If not, then why are you asking people to join?
My win condition is to win when all anti-town forces are eliminated. Does me joining your House help that? Why or why not? My personal win condition is to improve House Chezinu, 5th Party. Acceptable members joining obviously furthers this goal. Your claimed win condition is compatible with House Chezinu, 5th Party. Anti-town forces possess killing power which can harm the members of House Chezinu, 5th Party and their removal is beneficial.
We are pleased to see the interest in joining and aiding House Chezinu, 5th Party. However, several individuals ask questions which can already be answered by reading the personal filter of Director of Recruitment/Funding HiroPro. Please do this. I am taking a lunch break and will be back in ~45 minutes. When you're back from your lunch break - "improve" House Chezinu? What does that mean, specifically? For instance, do you win when X players join your House? When members of your House are the only ones left alive? What is your win condition, specifically?
I can't talk about my personal win condition any more than what I have already said. My aim is to improve House Chezinu, that's all I can say.
House Chezinu, Fifth Party can coexist with non-members. Think of it as a confederation. We are not a mason group. Our goal is to help our members win. Obviously serial killers, mafia, and other such individuals cannot be a part of House Chezinu, 5th Party as they require the death of all others.
On June 17 2012 05:43 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:53 HiroPro wrote:On June 17 2012 04:41 Acrofales wrote:
Yo Drazerk, want to roleclaim in the thread? I don't trust you on basic principle and you're bound to claim some outrageously ridiculous role. I want to see it before I decide whether you're worth lynching over House Chezinu.
@HiroPro: ignoring me is dumb. I have legitimate concerns about you and House Chezinu and I feel your play is screwing up this game in a way that can only benefit scum (or, as the mods are phrasing it, anti-town).
You claim 5th party, which almost by definition is not town. You are also claiming a mysterious board of directors who you are unwilling to talk about, yet are convinced are town. I have a far simpler solution: Chezinu is scum and the board of directors is whoever else is chatting to Hiro in ScumQT.
Just another question: how many directors are there on your so-called board of directors?
We are House Chezinu, 5th Party. That is all I am permitted to say. Portals of the past may aid you in learning about us. The number of board members will not be released.
On June 17 2012 04:43 talismania wrote:
HiroPro
What is your win condition?
Would me or anyone else joining your House of Chezinu help that win condition?
If so, how?
If not, then why are you asking people to join?
My win condition is to win when all anti-town forces are eliminated. Does me joining your House help that? Why or why not? My personal win condition is to improve House Chezinu, 5th Party. Acceptable members joining obviously furthers this goal. Your claimed win condition is compatible with House Chezinu, 5th Party. Anti-town forces possess killing power which can harm the members of House Chezinu, 5th Party and their removal is beneficial.
We are pleased to see the interest in joining and aiding House Chezinu, 5th Party. However, several individuals ask questions which can already be answered by reading the personal filter of Director of Recruitment/Funding HiroPro. Please do this. I am taking a lunch break and will be back in ~45 minutes. Another question for you when you get back: If you're win condition is compatible with mine because anti-town forces can kill House Chezinu members, then why are you so publicly advocating for this house? Why aren't you scared of being killed yourself?
I am the Director of Recruitment/Funding. I must recruit; it is not a choice.
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On June 17 2012 06:39 xsksc wrote:One thing I'm curious about, HiroPro, is this funding you keep talking about. Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:28 HiroPro wrote:
I am the Director of Recruitment/Funding. I must recruit; it is not a choice.
Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 03:01 HiroPro wrote:
Update:
All supporters or members of House Chezinu, 5th Party along with submitting applications should make donations to the Treasury Fund of House Chezinu, 5th Party, specifically indicating that said monetary funds should be sent to the Director of Recruitment/Funding, HiroPro.
Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 03:15 HiroPro wrote:
If your role/skills/wealth are great enough, you may even be able to join the board.
Is this just flavour for your recruiting, or is there actually some form of currency involved with the House? Can you elaborate?
No it's not flavor. Money is a concept embedded in the game, not just with the House. Anyone can use money, from what I understand. Unfortunately House Chezinu, 5th Party does not have funds so I need to request everyone to send money to me.
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Cool. Thanks for announcing that you are a Serial Killer. House Chezinu, 5th Party urges everyone to lynch/kill Drazerk.
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On June 17 2012 07:11 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 06:50 talismania wrote:On June 17 2012 06:23 Acrofales wrote:
I'm not really convinced we found any scum yet. KB seems more 3rd party than scum, but he definitely doesn't sound townie. I haven't yet made up my mind on whether House Chezinu is neutral or anti-town. As Talismania pointed out, it is rather strange that HiroPro is not afraid of getting shot, so friendship with scum is likely.
I don't want to get into details at night, but there's some other weird stuff that we should talk about during the day. Curious that you know you're going to survive the night. This was considered a "scumslip" that killed my scumbuddy toad in Pick Your Poison. In case you are town as you've said: post these details/weird stuff right on the deadline. I don't feel like it. If I'm alive tomorrow we can talk about it, if not then you'll know I'm town because of my flip. @HiroPro: what is this money you're talking about? I know nothing about it.
Money lets you buy stuff and change rules. If you have some, you should send it to HiroPro, Director of Recruitment/Funding for House Chezinu, 5th Party.
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On June 17 2012 07:12 talismania wrote:
I have some setup info in my role PM that I can't figure out why I shouldn't share:
(1) There is a "King"
(2) There is a "Monarchist Activist"
(3) Several others of you know there's a Monarchist Activist, and some of you want to kill him. (so there's a wincon involving the death of the Monarchist Activist I'm guessing).
Mmm, so that's your wincon. Thanks for sharing! But you really should send stuff like that as part of your application.
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On June 17 2012 07:17 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 07:14 HiroPro wrote:On June 17 2012 07:11 Acrofales wrote:On June 17 2012 06:50 talismania wrote:On June 17 2012 06:23 Acrofales wrote:
I'm not really convinced we found any scum yet. KB seems more 3rd party than scum, but he definitely doesn't sound townie. I haven't yet made up my mind on whether House Chezinu is neutral or anti-town. As Talismania pointed out, it is rather strange that HiroPro is not afraid of getting shot, so friendship with scum is likely.
I don't want to get into details at night, but there's some other weird stuff that we should talk about during the day. Curious that you know you're going to survive the night. This was considered a "scumslip" that killed my scumbuddy toad in Pick Your Poison. In case you are town as you've said: post these details/weird stuff right on the deadline. I don't feel like it. If I'm alive tomorrow we can talk about it, if not then you'll know I'm town because of my flip. @HiroPro: what is this money you're talking about? I know nothing about it. Money lets you buy stuff and change rules. If you have some, you should send it to HiroPro, Director of Recruitment/Funding for House Chezinu, 5th Party. This game has rules? What rules? What does money change about them?
I don't know. House Chezinu, 5th Party is only aware of the existence of money - what exactly are the options is unclear.
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On June 17 2012 07:19 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 07:17 HiroPro wrote:On June 17 2012 07:12 talismania wrote:
I have some setup info in my role PM that I can't figure out why I shouldn't share:
(1) There is a "King"
(2) There is a "Monarchist Activist"
(3) Several others of you know there's a Monarchist Activist, and some of you want to kill him. (so there's a wincon involving the death of the Monarchist Activist I'm guessing).
Mmm, so that's your wincon. Thanks for sharing! But you really should send stuff like that as part of your application. I'm not applying? My wincon is what I said it was, nothing more. To eliminate all anti-town forces.
Nope. The Knowledge Archives say that the only win conditions people will receive in PMs is their own and those of people who share the same condition.
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Drazerk already claimed Serial Killer. We all know that.
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On June 17 2012 07:22 Nisani201 wrote:
I highly doubt that there are any vanilla roles such as "serial killer" in this game.
There were 2 serial killers in Bastard 1, right? It wouldn't be that surprising to have one in this game.
deconduo, will you join House Chezinu, 5th Party?
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So I've been informed that money in fact does not exist -_-
It was just some flavor as part of the House Chezinu, 5th Party description.
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If I'm still alive tomorrow, I'll have something special for you guys  Or if I wake up early enough, I guess I could also try to get it in just before the deadline.
- House Chezinu, 5th Party
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Sup guys. I'm on my phone. All the questions you asked since my last post will be answered in my before-deadline post. It'll contain a full dossier on House Chezinu, 5th Party.
Hopefully, I wake up on time tomorrow T_T This deadline's really early.
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And some medic protection would be really nice
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If you haven't realized by now, House Chezinu, 5th Party was made up. Promoting VE, submitting applications, the board of directors, gaining access to the Knowledge Archives; all of it is fake. If any of you actually sent in applications, I'm sure the mods are having a laugh right now
"But HiroPro, that means you're a liar and liars should be lynched!"
Don't worry, I'll explain to you why I carried out this charade and you'll understand that it was actually beneficial.
Because this is a night start, town has an obvious problem. Making reads and cases isn't really something that's done at night, especially with this being a bastard game. Thus, town needs something to spark discussion and force people to take sides and explain themselves. The fictitious House Chezinu applications allowed for such a scenario. People had to voice their opinions on House Chezinu and comment on what others were doing.
Additionally, there is a second part of this setup that made this plan useful. Judging by both Bastard Mafia 1 and by the setup information given, it is likely that a large amount of third party roles exist in this game: most of them probably being survivors. Differentiating these survivors from scum will be a real pain, as both groups will probably be lax in scumhunting. I tried to make House Chezinu seem like a safe haven for survivors and third parties in order to figure out who these individuals were. Unfortunately, several people were not very clear about what they were actually doing in thread. If only I could read those applications people might have sent in, lol.
Judging by their reactions, I think Nisani201 and KharadBanar might be survivors of some kind. Both of them seemed more concerned about forming an alliance than with actually finding anything out about House Chezinu. It's possible they could be SK or scum also (KB more so than Nisani), but I doubt that either of them is town. I say KB more so than Nisani because KB was very defensive when questioned about his "alliance". And statements like this show us that he's just talking nonsense.
I win by eliminating anti-town players like you, so yeah I think we are compatible. By allying with The HOUSE, I essentially eliminate some of the players (both town and scum) from the equation and can concentrate on studying the remaining ones (which should contain both town and scum too, if my calculations are correct.)
It was also pretty hilarious to do this lol. Bastard games ftw.
Oh and I have no idea what any of this king/monarchist business is 
MajuGarzett:
If you look at MajuGarzett's filter, he's posted several times throughout the game. He's not actually concerned with finding scum, though. He spends almost all of his time asking about what abilities and information you can get from being a member. He doesn't try to determine my alignment; all he's concerned about is what he can gain from joining.
On June 17 2012 11:07 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote:On June 17 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote:
I should read the thread but that is too much effort ... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_- Is anyone else around atm? The thread's gone pretty quiet, let's try and get some constructive discussion going. I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game. Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear. Well allying such a shady group is weird but there's no real downside to it as the alliance is so far just empty words. I can see why they did it. Honestly I think that the house won't really do anything to help Nisani and KB.
The most telling part of MajuGarzett's filter though is where he responds to xsksc. MajuGarzett doesn't try to analyze the behavior of Nisani or KB. All he does is say "Oh, I don't think the house will help them". He's not interested in making a clear statement on what he thinks about House Chezinu (beyond trying to quietly discredit it). He's posting for the sake of posting.
MajuGarzett isn't scumhunting; he's only concerned about himself. He's scum.
If I die, and you don't read what I said, I'll be annoyed. So don't do that 
I'm going to get some lunch. So if I'm still alive, I'll be back an in hour.
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If anyone got a notification saying they were saved from a hit, I think they should claim. I'll see you guys in an hour.
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KB, I want to hear your thoughts on MajuGarzett.
Several people mentioned yesterday that they had information about the King (talismania and Acrofales, i think). Can you guys please share everything that you know?
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On June 18 2012 05:39 FourFace wrote:
Hiro did you think of this Chezinu thing before or after you got your role PM. Be honest, liar!
Before. I was going to troll all of you for days if I got scum
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On June 18 2012 05:59 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:59 HiroPro wrote:MajuGarzett:If you look at MajuGarzett's filter, he's posted several times throughout the game. He's not actually concerned with finding scum, though. He spends almost all of his time asking about what abilities and information you can get from being a member. He doesn't try to determine my alignment; all he's concerned about is what he can gain from joining. On June 17 2012 11:07 MajuGarzett wrote:On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote:On June 17 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote:
I should read the thread but that is too much effort ... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_- Is anyone else around atm? The thread's gone pretty quiet, let's try and get some constructive discussion going. I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game. Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear. Well allying such a shady group is weird but there's no real downside to it as the alliance is so far just empty words. I can see why they did it. Honestly I think that the house won't really do anything to help Nisani and KB. The most telling part of MajuGarzett's filter though is where he responds to xsksc. MajuGarzett doesn't try to analyze the behavior of Nisani or KB. All he does is say "Oh, I don't think the house will help them". He's not interested in making a clear statement on what he thinks about House Chezinu (beyond trying to quietly discredit it). He's posting for the sake of posting. MajuGarzett isn't scumhunting; he's only concerned about himself. He's scum.
I wasn't just concerned with what I could gain from joining. I was concerned with what anyone could gain from joining. By knowing more about the house it allows for better reads on anyone who allied with or applied to the house. On the second point by use of extrapolation, we can see that by saying "I can see why they did it" I also meant " I don't find them scummy for wanting an alliance" which is a response to xsksc's question. It wasn't just posting for the sake of posting.
Explain this to me. You first say that by learning more about the house, you can make a better read on anyone. But I didn't give out anything really; so what specifically about their behavior makes you say you don't find them scummy? And those two statements are not the same thing: one is a fairly meaningless buddy-buddy statement, while the other is a clear opinion.
On June 18 2012 06:02 talismania wrote:
can't decide if what I'm about to do is stupid or not. oh well. Let's have some fun!
I am a dayvig!
And I think I'm gonna shoot someone today!
Further details:
-I am a day vig, I get one shot and one shot only per game during a day phase.
-I don't expect to survive very long at night (notwithstanding the lack of KP N0) so I figure I might as well put my role to use now
What I'm going to do:
-shoot someone!
Who I'm going to shoot:
I will shoot from among the players that do not do one of the following:
(1) Make a long, well-reasoned case on a single player for why they should be lynched
(2) Provide short (two-three sentence) reads/thoughts on the other fourteen players in the game
(3) Provide some solid setup related info that can help the town. For instance - do you know who the King is? The Monarchist Activist? Speculation doesn't count for this one.
I promise you, if you decide not to comply with one of the above, you are at risk of being shot.
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My goal is simple here: get everyone to post as much solid information as possible. I don't expect to outright catch any scum with this, but I am going to make them post and make them take positions. I hope to generate a lot of information that can be used throughout the game, including information about how people react to this and who decides to participate and when.
Shoot whoever you think is scum, yo. Your second and third criteria are not very useful at all (especially because we have no way of knowing if any information provided is even true)
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On June 18 2012 06:32 FourFace wrote:
Something about Hiro bothers me. He said that he would've trolled around for a couple of days if he was scum, but that would've been his ticket to Lynchville wouldn't it?
I don't care if I die as scum if I screw up town discussion for days.
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deconduo, what do you think about KB and MajuGarzett?
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