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On June 23 2012 03:35 Drazerk wrote: Hey hey hey gimme some credit here I bussed TWO scum teams in Holy roman and won that game  As for dec you have to remember he came up with the stupid check so he might of had a bigger plan involved with the first one that involved it coming out true ( hell he could be a GF in which case I'd do that every time in every game) You couldn't bus the other scumteam, you weren't ON it. Killing the other team was in your own best interest as well! Oh and being a GF wouldn't make him town, zephirdd explicitly claimed it didn't work for frames, so I doubt it works for godfathers. He would've had to phrase that differently for it to work. | ||
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No. You actually had some townie posts, which is why I didn't shoot you like I intended to! Plus, you didn't even know your role pm for most of the first cycle... :@ | ||
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On June 23 2012 03:41 ghost_403 wrote: Scum wouldn't shoot me tonight. Killing me doesn't get them any closer to winning the game. I don't count as town for their wincon, as detailed previously. I'm fine with being roleblocked, my problem is that I don't think it will help us find scum. Your plan needs a town DT to actually work, and I haven't seen anything that shows you've thought that out. It's very strange considering the fact that you thought he was lying about his roleclaim to begin with. It doesn't need a town DT to work. Read it again. All it requires is someone who has claimed DT to say that someone else is red or green. We then decide what's what. | ||
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On June 23 2012 04:12 HiroPro wrote: lol, you don't reveal your best player like that. Now they know who to kill, lol. And I still need to think of possible topics. So if you want to pre-write your limericks, that's fine. But unless it fits the topic (or if I really really like it), it won't count. Pffft, I have a better plan: reach mylo and lynch you. Let a townie be killed and reach lylo. Lynch S&B. Town loses, but SO DO YOU! | ||
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Also: lol, the French playing like shit. VIVA ESPAÑA!!! | ||
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On June 24 2012 13:17 HiroPro wrote: I suppose I should explain why there's probably a traitor in this setup. I'm pretty sure hyaach is town RB and xsksc is mafia. If somehow, hyaach is mafia and xsksc is town DT, then I'm wrong and I suck  But the thing is it makes no sense for scum xsksc to hold his kill, unless he has no ability (in which case his kill will be RBed). So the logical assumption is that anti-town had a SK, a permanent 1-target framer capability, and a rolecop (3 people in total). From a balance standpoint though, that seems pretty broken even with 3 survivors (still leaves 9 townies, some of them with ridiculously powerful abilities: 2 vigis, a cop, a medic, a RB, the phoenix wright business). So probably another anti-town role exists. Judging by Forumite's comments in the Idea Factory thread, a traitor is likely. This is meta-meta! I'm not sure that's even a valid argument, but okay, lets run with it. Then who killed ET on N1? | ||
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So what was the plan all about? Nothing. It was a sham. All I wanted was a night without a kill. I figured xskskc and Hyaach for scum and ghost as an outsider chance. I needed someone that a scum xkskskc or Hyaach would be able to frame believably. We got doubly lucky: we got some good info from the plan as well! If xsksksc is scum, he would know Hyaach is town and would be roleblocking ghost. That leaves him open to not shoot at night and get a mislynch on ghost. However, he needed to return a Hyaach check for this to be completely believable. With the red check, this seems very improbable. If Hyaach is scum, him roleblocking ghost is kinda beside the point, but he has to claim he did, or is immediately lynched: there's no reason for a town roleblocker to block the check on him. However, he could roleblock and claim xskskc is lying if there is a red check. The problem is that I don't see a good reason for xsksc to lie about a red check. Insofar as I can puzzle out we're not at lylo and can afford a 1 for 1 deal. If ghost is scum, then xsksksc's check makes no sense. The only situation in which neither xksksksc nor Hyaach is scum is if there is still a framer in the game. With Maju's flip this just seems unlikely. I will go over xsksksc's and Hyaach's filters again before the lynch, but for the moment it looks like Hyaach is scum. ##vote Hyaach | ||
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First question: is the bulletproof ability able to be roleblocked? If it is, then second question: Hypothetical situation (I know, there's lots of these) Lets say there's a player named Spooky_123 and he is bulletproof. He gets roleblocked that night, but not shot. Is Spooky_123 notified that he was roleblocked? | ||
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Been going over xksksc's filter. In general I don't think it is nearly as terrible as many people here are claiming. However, some things stand out like a sore tooth. The first has been pointed out by a number of people already. Nisani's case on him was nothing very spectacular and at the time I didn't pay much attention to it, or xk's response, however on reading through again, I completely understand what people's problem with xk's response was: On June 18 2012 10:23 xsksc wrote: I don't think you quite got my point there.. You have contributed fuck all, and you are in no position to point that particular flaw out in everyone elses play. This is not a defense, but an OMGUS. I wasn't convinced by BioSC's defense when someone leveled the same accusation at him, but at least he defended his actions, instead of blindly attacking the person posting the case. Regardless of Nisani's badness, he was justifed in pointing out the lack of xk's contributions. Does xk address that? No, he goes full OMGUS mode. Now, in and of itself, this is not necessarily a scumtell (just a bad play tell), I have seen plenty of townies go OMGUS when they think they've been unjustly accused. However, xk backs up this defense with this: On June 21 2012 14:46 xsksc wrote: You argue that I'm scum because of how I reacted to Nisani's case. You yourself even said the case was bad, why would I risk exposing myself by reacting in such a way, to such a bad case that would never get me lynched? It was a bit over the top admittadly, but I was fucking annoyed by what he said. You said you don't want to argue this issue with me, but it's the core of your case on me... This gives a valid explanation for his defense, but I really really really don't like the bolded part. This looks like scum backpedalling to me. A "scum doing this would be terribad" defense can be used, but only if it wasn't also terribad as town. Trying to spin the original defense as a decent move for town, but bad for scum is really really dodgy. This actually only caught my eye, because he used the same defense more recently. And, in fact, it seems to be a general line in his posts: On June 21 2012 14:54 xsksc wrote: Oh, why would I fake claim DT? I don't see any reason why I would possibly want to do that as scum, lol. I'm going to be shot asap and the mere prescence of another DT in the game means I'm nowhere close to confirmed town. Pretty stupid claim to fake, wouldn't you say? On June 24 2012 18:38 xsksc wrote: Oh. So I'm an idiot as well as scum now, that's good to hear. I really wish I had put the same ammount of thought into using my ability as you did, lol. Seriously though, how can you think I'm scum when it'd just be playing against my wincon to claim DT and return an anti-town result on a townie AND not shoot. That reduces my chance of winning to 0, because I would die right after Hyaach flips. What the fuck would possibly motivate me to do all that? I don't get towncred unless he actually flips anti-town, and I miss a night's KP for absolutely zero gain. By faking the anti-town result, I sign a death sentence, and for what? He uses the same defense for 2 of his other actions: they would be DUMB play for scum. His main line of defense is: scum cannot possibly be derp enough to play the way xkskcd is playing, so xkskkskscd cannot possibly be scum. The main problem with this defense is, in xkskcd's own words (from C9++ mafia): On March 19 2012 05:00 xsksc wrote: The problem is, a newbie scum who messed up would make the same exact defense here. I would like to add that playing completely erratic as scum is something not only newb scum do. While I was going over C9++ I found this enlightening post from xkskskskssc's postgame analysis: On March 24 2012 16:56 xsksc wrote: Hmm. In the post-game of TLXVIII, WBG gave me some pretty helpful analysis about my play. In that game I figured out toad was scum medic, but not a single person listened cause I wasn't vocal enough with my reads, and nobody really had a reason to believe I was town. Finding scum is useless if noone is gonna listen to you, so establishing yourself as town is super important. So with that game in mind, I went into this game with the gameplan of making myself obv town, being open and posting a lot etc etc, so my opinnions would actually have some weight later on. I guess I didn't do too good a job, considering how suspicous slOosh and dirk found me. Oh well. I think sheeping Sandroba was the obvious choice though, pushing my own read (slOosh) would have resulted in a no-lynch which would have been really dumb. Now, I didn't actually read a lot of his filter there, but the first 1 1/2 pages just read incredibly townie to me. That, in contrast to this game (I haven't read xksksk's filter in XLVIII either, but he subbed in, so it's a tricky one in any case): in this game I don't get a town vibe from his filter, with gems like this: On June 18 2012 23:29 xsksc wrote: In this sort of game, I want to kill 3rd party even more, given that to win we have to remove all anti-town elements, which 3rd party/SK definitely falls under. For all we know, there might not even be "pure" scum in this game. Repeat performance by Obi Wan! ![[image loading]](https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/6/18/YujRuN2wbkWwfIa3Tzymtg2.jpg) Finally, I am rethinking the 4F claim deal. I didn't mind him not being up in arms about it, because he DID post a short blurb saying he didn't believe the claim. However, I really dislike his reaction at being pressured on it: On June 22 2012 07:30 xsksc wrote: Is it? One thing I have learned this game is that there are 50 ways to spell xsksc, although I do wonder how you arrived at xaard and xberk.. He doesn't just quote his own post, which he would've done if alarm bells HAD in fact gone off in his head. He questions whether the point is valid. It IS valid and he had an easy out, I just see this as careless play by someone who forgot how he had reacted to 4F's claim, which I can't imagine a real DT doing: he would've had alarmbells going off and been trying to UNDERSTATE his doubt of the claim (due to it being night). When called out on this I feel a real cop would've been far more annoyed and posting his night response. Verdict Scummy scum scum. | ||
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Hyaach <--- claimed roleblocker and has been confirmed as roleblocker. The question is whether he's TOWN roleblocker, though. His play was giving me a null read up until now, but the rolename is more scummy (in GoT mafia: Tyrion was scum) than townie. Additionally, roleblockers are more likely to be given to scum than to town. On the fence here. In fact, I think that overall his play has been that of a bored townie, rather than scum. The only thing that doesn't sit right with me at all is the roleclaim. There are all kinds of things wrong with it: 1. I think it's far more likely to be Tyrion Lannister than Tyrion Lannister. Black would make even more sense, but I'm not getting a 3rd party vibe on him at all. 2. Maju's rolecop doesn't have roleblocker as an option. 3. I think it was Tali who pointed out that a town roleblocker makes little sense in this setup. On the other hand, I see no reason for a scummy roleblocker to roleblock Nisani (unless deadly afraid of the MA mechanic, but it seemed to just be adding to town chaos, so roleblocking the MA was a townie thing to do). Verdict Null, leaning town. Bastard moderators could be to blame for the weird role situation. [b]##unvote ##vote xkskc[/vote] | ||
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On June 25 2012 02:47 xsksc wrote: I'd still like to know what you guys think I withheld KP for If you give me a plausible explanation for Hyaach withholding KP, I'll give you one for you doing that. I posted above why it was a dumb idea for either of you to withhold KP, yet apparently one of you did it (or ghost is the real scum). Actually scratch that. ALTERNATIVE scenario: our 3-way tandem is completely wrong. You're town, Hyaach is town and ghost is an innocent 3rd party. Someone else is Maju's scumbuddy. He is a framer and framed Hyaach. He withheld his KP to cause us to go completely wifom on you three. While this is a possible explanation, I don't find it plausible. The only real option is that Hiro and SnB are a scum team together and one of them is a framer (it's possible balance-wise: 9 town, 1 neutral 3rd party, 1 SK and 2 2-man scumteams is plausible). However, that STILL means one of: Acro Tali deconduo Drazerk is Majuju's scumbuddy. Out of these, the only real possibility based on play are deconduo or Drazerk. Drazerk is ruled out by mechanics, unless the OP was lying to us. deconduo used his Phoenix Wright stuff. He used it terribly, but he used it townie-terribly, not scummy. It might have been a masterful gambit, but I don't see it happening. So that scenario is LESS plausible than one of you, Hyaach or ghost is scum. I have a final unlikely scenario that has a Hiro+SnB scumteam without KP, and a backup plan for that situation. However, the most plausible situation is that either you or Hyaach is scum. You look scummier than Hyaach. | ||
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On June 25 2012 03:15 strongandbig wrote: Drazerk isn't ruled out. Hosts refuse to confirm that he couldn't be vanilla townie. Here's something interesting though - all the claimed and revealed town or third party roles come from previous games on TL mafia except for Sherlock Holmes and Marceline the Vampire Queen. Got a link for Tyrion being a roleblocker? In GoT he was a scum framer. | ||
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On June 25 2012 03:28 xsksc wrote: Ah whatever, I'm going to bed I'll find out tomorow. Find out what? Your own alignment? | ||
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