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On June 11 2012 04:35 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 04:20 ha236 wrote:On June 11 2012 03:11 Release wrote:On June 10 2012 21:56 ha236 wrote:
On June 10 2012 20:14 The_Zen_Man wrote:
What is also interesting is that not long after ha236 posted about Lazermonkeys's flawed logic and "exaggerating", Solstice came and posted a "case" on ha236, which was imo very weak. Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon?
It's intresting that you keep saying that the case on ha236 is so weak when there are already a couple of people willing to vote for him. Surely there must be at least something with his play that is suspicous? ''Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon?'', so the fact that I thought there were something worth of notice in his post makes us both scum? eh... This part stands out to me. You're basing your suspiscion on the fact that solstice and Release have said so? I might have misunderstood this but t he reason people think I'm suspicious is because I've softly defended grush. If I havn't allready let me go over it again; I don't think grush is scum. In my opinion there is not enough information to decide this, basically the only thing grush has posted about is trying to defend himself against Release's relentless nitpicking of his posts. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you overestimate the value of that conversation. Anyone in their right minds understands that encouraging the rest of the players to not post (not exposing any information) so you're stuck at square one for the whole game pretty much labels you as mafia instantly. It's way to simple to lynch him because of this. He felt obligied to defend himself since he didn't want to end up in the situation (that he's in now anyway) where he's look suspicious because he hasn't answered peoples questions. No, it's because you said what Lazermonkey said was strange, and then agreed with him. Are you claiming that he is or isn't scum in the second bold? You said earlier that there is not enough information was now you say "way [too] simple to lynch him..." So the reasoning is obvious, therefore you don't want to lynch him? Your ignorance is hilarious, I've said countless times that I agreed with him on that one point but thought the rest of the post was strange. Why is it you continue to bring this up? Who are you trying to fool?Perhaps you should read what you just quoted/wrote. I said that I cannot decide anything based on that discussion because it doesn't provide enough information for me which is exactly what I've allready said. About the voting... At this my attention is on Release and solstice sseeing as they insist on allways bringing up my post on Lazermonkey, how I contradict myself (which is wrong), and instantly after this I'm #2 on the scum meter? I might be missing something here but the logic behind their decisions are to me very lacking. Also it annoys me when people are stating that others are 100% town because they stick to their opinions? This is the pinnacle of ignorance, there's an expression that goes "Don't judge a book by it's cover" which aplies nicely here. "Sticking to your guns" is what tunneling someone is all about, an informed decision is made by taking information from many sources and analyzing and compiling them to a well thought-out thesis. Ex. Having one source on the source-reference page in an essay will most definately net you an F. haven't read the whole post but i'm going to clarify something right now:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 06:03 Release wrote:On June 10 2012 04:54 s0Lstice wrote:Very happy to see that the discussion has picked up. Now I want to talk about ha236Let's look at his post on grush and LazerMonkey. On June 09 2012 23:09 ha236 wrote:
As a first time player I probably would have made the same mistake grush did (I don't know if this is his first time but w/e) and say that there is nothing to talk about on the first day, but as Release said that obviously puts us in a bad situation when no one is posting at all. Also the content of grush's posts has been pretty lackluster but again, seeing as this is a noob-game I think that's something we have to expect. This is a soft defense of grush, based on the sentiment that a first time player makes mistakes, yet you don't care enough to check if this really is his first game? How is that 'w/e' when your defense of him relies on qualifying the mistakes he is making as first time player mistakes? Then you talk about LaserMonkey.. On June 09 2012 23:09 ha236 wrote:After this discussion ended we tasted some new blood in the thread - Lazermonkey and Zen man. While not being able to get a good "read" on any of you two (you not having posted much yet) some of Lazermonkey's comments on the Release-grush discussion seemed strange to me.
On June 09 2012 11:38 grush57 wrote:
(What case?)
Whats to talk about, seriously give me something lol. People are lurking? Yeah mlg is on and it's not even 3 hours
So your third post is this. Now you changed your mind. It's fine if people lurk. He does not say that it is "fine if people lurk". My interpretation of the sentances is that he does not know what to post about and then proposes the subject of why people are not posting and offers his explanation (being that the game just started, people might not be by the computer and even if they are they may be watching MLG). On June 09 2012 13:55 grush57 wrote:
K well it's hard to do with half the people didn't even post yet. I wouldn't be suprised if the 2 mafia are in those lurkers. So now you are once again really suspicious of people not posting. Also if there are two mafia among the lurkers it means that you have a townread on s0Lstice, KtheZ and Release. Correct? In this paragraph Lazermonkey is trying to make the rest of us believe that grush said something he has not, that he is "suspicious of people not posting". Grush says he "wouldn't be surprised if the two mafia are in those lurkers" and from this Lazermonkey believes him to have a town read on the rest of the posters at that time. Lastly, I like the way Lazermonkey explained his stance on lurkers (two different kinds) however I don't think you can justifiably apply the one about posting stuff with no actual content so early on in the game and I ultimately agree that grush has been changing his stance on whether it is good or not to lynch lurkers. Very loud contradiction. If Lazermonkey's comments are strange then why are you agreeing with them? Why did you defend grush if you think Lazermonkey has something there? ##FoS: ha236 To check if this really is Grush's first game is a tremendous waste of time. There are far too many game to check. (i believe we have 55 regular mafias and 15 newb ones.) To me it looks like he is trying to buddy up to grush but i can't be sure of that. I agree; playing the noob card as reasoning is too much assumptions. It looks more like the two quoted posts are strange (and putting words in grush's mouth) but the agreement is that grush has been wishy-washy. I think ha is setting himself to jump on the bandwagon if there is one, or to avoid starting one if there isn't. I'm the one who is agreeing with your post on monkey. I was bringing up the general reason why there was suspicion behind you in the first place. And thanks for voting for solstice. ##unvote: Grush ##vote: ha236 For now, solstice has been quite helpful. Your voting for him because he was the first person to cast suspicion on you is rather silly. if anyone, you probably should have voted for me.
Another show of your ignorance, anyway in the quoted post there is nothing about you agreeing with me on the topic we're talking about, rather on the grush topic.
Of course you think solstice has been helpful, you and him share the same dumb logic. I am aware that s0Lstice was the first to "raise suspicion" about me and I was sure that someone as superficial as you would comment on that instantly, further proving my point that you havn't come up with any real reason as to why I am suspicious.
Up until now my suspicion, based on your dumb logic and lacking reasoning, has been leaning toward solsice, yes, but with this last post I'll have to change my vote to you, as suggested.
##unvote: s0Lstice
##vote: Release
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Oh well guys, looks like I'm done for. When you realize you've made the wrong decision consider my posts about Release and s0Lstice and their flawed logic trying to trick you all.
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On June 11 2012 07:02 Release wrote:
If either of zen or ha don't turn out to be scum, we can lynch grush. Grush is so easy to lynch, i don't think we need to worry about him at this moment.
It's funny how Release is not the least bit concerned about being lynched himself. I've posted several remarks on his play and gotten no substansial answers, rather he tries to mislead others on to bandwagoning Grush and I.
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On June 11 2012 07:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Ha236, just vote Zen_Man at this point. There is no reason for you not to Lol.
So now we have 3 people saying that they are willing to vote for Zen. With the help of Ha236 that gives us 5. Let's kill this scum now, shall we?
Seems like I have nothing to lose.
##Unvote
##Vote: The_Zen_Man
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On June 11 2012 08:11 Release wrote:
If i'm still alive after tonight, I guarantee that i will get ha lynched.
On what grounds? I still see no sensible reason from you.
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On June 11 2012 08:15 Release wrote:
To be honest, i was on the fence until you ridiculously vote solstice, then me.
I look forward to your read on me on day two.
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Still waiting for Release to make a defense for any of my posts back at the end of day 1. There's just been mindless blabber in his posts on the night, he openly declines to answer my questions and no one else seems to give a damn? Seems strange to me.
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It still baffles me that people chose to be so ignorant around Release, he is openly refusing to defend himself against anything I (seeing as I'm the only one pressuring him) have said.
That being said I see you all would like some raw opinion so let's take a look at KtheZ:
Everyone is giving me crap for not having posted "cases" in a while, has no one looked as KtheZ's filter? There's one or two posts about grush in the very early stages of the game but other than that there's nothing but posts summerizing other peoples opinion's and defending himself against peoples accusations. I by no means think this is a bad thing, but it doesn't give us (or atleast me) alot to go on. There's too few 'post chains' that are actually started by you, meaning your honest, fresh opinion that people can factor in to their reads.
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On June 12 2012 23:46 grush57 wrote:
YA CUZ HE'S MAFIA DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH
##Vote: KtheZ
This is basically the way Release has been responding to my posts also.
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Think hard about that "mindless blabber" and you know what he was trying to do, or go read his filter in his last game and it should be obvious. If you are trying to make a case against Release, you better post a good one and not some tidbits between each line how "flawed" his logic is.
I shouldn't need to go check peoples last games to play this game. I can't join mafia games on a game to game basis? I need to check up on how people have played before? If they don't convince me by their playstyle then I'm going to vote for them
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On June 13 2012 04:27 ShiaoPi wrote:
@ha236:
all I was saying is that his play makes sense from a town perspective. That is the most basic question, does the play makes sense towniewise.
And as you are seemingly really focused on Release, why don't you take some time to write a neat case on him? Would be much more effective, than poking him once in a while.
Where the fuck is everybody by the way? We got 2 roleclaims and nobody cares?
Well, my case is kind of spread out over many posts and since no one even seems to care about raising suspicion towards him I see no reason to compile anything at the moment.
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On June 13 2012 04:31 ShiaoPi wrote:
You know, people might care if you make a case which seems solid and has reason behind it...
Seriously if you read him as mafia, push your case...
Allright, I'll do it on d3 since there are more pressing matters (KtheZ vs grush) atm
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Right, the reason I said d3 was because I for some reason thought that d2 was going to be 24 hours and at the time it would have been almost deadline.
I looked through Release's filter and to be honest, since the grush discussion I there's only Release answering peoples post, analyzing other peoples reads and some 'useful' one-liners. Most of this I have already wrote about in previous posts so I'll instead post my opinions on some long coveted answers to my questions. Call it OMGUS or w/e, idc.
..and to the bolded statement I know you're thinking this:
so you hide behind your posts and we have to seek them?
I going thru your filter and your questions to me took quite a while finding. Why not be clear? You're Wasting my time doing this shit
I don't care, who's fault is it you didn't bother to read them the first time they were posted? If you'd read what they responded to and analyzed it from the start then you wouldn't have this problem.
You explained it more clearly, called it illogical but does that make him scummy? Or is it just a lack of clarity with in a null/townie post? And why didn't you call this post useless as everyone else seemed to do? Everything is a possibility when we have no information
I may be misunderstanding this but I cannot find anywhere that I state it to be scummy and then I sense a contradiction; you ask why I didn't call the post useless and go on to say that "Everything is a possibility when we have no information" meaning it's better than nothing?
This is your soft-defense of grush (along with the previous post). Posting obvious ideas generate discussion?
There wasn't so much as a plea to talk or a question directed at anyone. Why did you defend him here?
Am I not allowed to defend him, do I need to be answering a question while posting, I can't voice my opinion freely? I didn't think he seemed bad at the time basically.
So you refuse to answer a question because there was no question mark? That's sounds like something grush would do.
ShiaoPi
I did read through your post and I felt obliged to point out something which stood out to me. I am saying that it is not boring as it gives us something to discuss and analyse on in order to go scumhunting. As scumhunting (obviously) takes top priority I do not see how it could be boring to you to get something to work with.
Well, if you had read the post you see that there was no obvious question. ShiaoPi points out a valid point to me but there is nothing that needs answering.
This post is to my not taking a clear stance in earlier posts
You never so much as implied scummy or not.
Just trying to appear useful.
I've adressed this earlier; would you rather I didn't speak anything of my opinions until I have my mind completely fixated on something? Because to me that doesn't seem very helpful to the game. I didn't have that kind of an opinion at the time so I didn't imply anything of the likes.
Yeah and i agreed with you. So we must both be ignorant right?
I merely brought up solstice's point that got you suspicious in the first place.
I agreed with you. Liar.
No matter how hard I try to explain this part it keeps going in circles so I'll just drop it.
I passively declined. more lying.
Passively declining is
i give it to you now: scum
It's so strange right?
OMGUS! OMGUS! OMGUS!
Fos: ha236
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I don't know what you think you got out of these but to me it seems like you were delaying your answers for some reason which I can't for the life of me figure out.
More softness. Townies are hard.
This is some kind of a self-implied rule?
The parts that I've either answered earlier in this post or I see your point and I digress. I've also understood that begging for answers after every post doesn't really get you anywhere so no more of that..
Now to the case at hand - grush, again.
You're roleclaiming left and right to no avail whatsoever, it's only making you look more and more scummy and there hasn't been any heavy reads or analyzes from you in quite some time.
##Vote: grush57
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On June 14 2012 19:21 ShiaoPi wrote:
Me being roleblocked is hard to proof, but what would scum get from claiming to be RB'ed?
Well, with this reasoning he would sink on your scum meter... Everything mafia do is cause confusion and this would add to the choas.
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##vote: vivax
sorry guys, I realise now how superficial all my posts and thoughts were.
gg
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