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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 07 2012 18:53 GMT
#346
On June 08 2012 03:50 ghost_403 wrote:
@VE: Do you think that blazinghand is playing pro-town or anti-town this game?


fix'd
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 07 2012 18:57 GMT
#348
I must have missed all of these questions you're talking about. I'll go back and look for them in a moment. Any questions in particular that you feel I should answer?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 07 2012 19:03 GMT
#350
That's fine, I've been gone most of this time. This quarter is now officially over! Finally have time to play. Expect to see a lot more of me.

+ Show Spoiler +
I spent 9 hours on a Linear Algebra final last night alone. My prof is sadistic.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 07 2012 19:15 GMT
#352
I've made my thoughts on BH clear since Day 1, and how the Pandain lynch went down has done nothing by reenforce my position on him.

Zeldblade has played horribly passively this entire game. I had no notes on him from Day 1 at all. That doesn't prove to me that he's scum, but I definitely don't like it. The part he played in the Pandain lynch is disconcerting. I also don't like how he immediately jumped on the "Furerkip == scum" wagon from the possible scumslip I pointed out. It felt more to me like he's just trying to find people to sheep rather than hunt scum.

If/when Furerkip comes back, I do want him to address that.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 07 2012 19:17 GMT
#353
I've made my thoughts on BH clear since Day 1, and how the Pandain lynch went down has done nothing *but reenforce my position on him.


fix'd.

You'll have to excuse all the errors in my post. The guy I have writing them is an idiot.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 08 2012 13:02 GMT
#471
I don't buy Blazinghand's claim.

Compare and contrast the Blazinghand from this game with the blazinghand from TL Mafia LIV. In LIV, he actually was a vigilante, and he was the aggressive protown blazinghand I've seen in most of his games. His first post in that game is voting someone for a scumslip. This is completely different from his play here.

At no point did anyone write:
But Ghost! He changed his play after he got modkilled in iGrok's game!


That modkill happened in TLM LIII. Last I checked, LIII < LIV.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 08 2012 14:44 GMT
#477
@shraft: Then why did it take so long for Blazinghand to vote to lynch Pandain?

On June 06 2012 11:18 Blazinghand wrote:
lol wut




On June 06 2012 12:15 Blazinghand wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2012 12:10 Pandain wrote:
I actually agree that this is getting off topic, and its just me and BH arguing semantics based on different perspectives of the principle I mentioned earlier.

To address VE shortly, however, you can refer to my earlier posts to see where I slipped my role, its even been quoted and pointed out. You can try to lynch me, though.

To commence, from this little barrage of posts I've analyzed more people. I think VE is more likely town. Navillus has attempted to(rightfully) steer discussion back onto owhere we should be discussing, which was definitely the town thing to do. Mafia would either want to take a stand on the mason issue, or simply not post. Navillus acting as such strikes me as town.

I'm also very suspicious of Zellblade, as he's hardly posted at all. In fact, hilariously enough, he's just asked interogative questions. Which I find hilarious and will do one day.


How interesting scummy that you like to slip in something about Navi here but have still ignored my pointing out your contradictions.

Saying that we have different perspectives about the mason claim is like saying that bullets and massages have different perspectives about touching people.


Your accidental claim is crap, your asking masons to claim is crap, and your discussions and non-discussions are crap.

##unvote MrZentor
##vote Pandain
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 08 2012 14:55 GMT
#480
@shraft: Why would he wait? You think that he purposefully waited to vote to lynch the guy that he knew was lying in order to hide the fact that he might have been the real vigilante? That seems kind of far fetched to me. In addition, if you think that's what actually happened, you have to find some kind of justification for a post like this:

On June 06 2012 11:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Alright, if we believe Pandain's claim, then why don't we follow up with my course of action: We lynch MrZ (or maybe Navi if he seems scummier). If MrZ flips town, sure, shoot me. But I think he's gonna flip scum.

Blazinghand knows Pandain is lying, so why would he be willing accept lynching someone else? Blazinghand is a good player, and I've never seen him back down, even when he doesn't know he's right. Why would he be willing to back down here, when he's so sure that Pandain is lying?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 08 2012 15:00 GMT
#482
@VE: hell yeah.

##Vote Blazinghand
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 08 2012 16:13 GMT
#494
@MrZ: I still don't follow. How does BH thinking you're scum make it less likely that BH is scum?

Also, that isn't even close to "bet his life". Given 72 hours, almost anyone could argue their way out of that one.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 08 2012 19:07 GMT
#505
[tinfoilhat]
Town jailkeeper JK'd Hyaach
Blazinghand lied about the shot, as Furerkip was supposed to be modkilled for failing to post during the night.
[/tinfoilhat]
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 08 2012 19:11 GMT
#507
Or shot the an SK who chose to be bulletproof.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 08 2012 19:12 GMT
#508
Wait, I don't think there's an SK in this game. There's no way that many nightkills could have been blocked.

DISREGARD THAT.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 08 2012 19:15 GMT
#509
@MrZ: What about Hyaach makes you think that he's scum, disregarding this mess he's gotten himself into?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 08 2012 22:33 GMT
#517
Posts from TLMafia LIV, aka the Team Fortress 2 themed one where Blazinghand threatened to vig me Day 1.

OP

On April 22 2012 03:21 Kurumi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Player list
1. Nova_Terra BLU Depressed Soldier lynched Day 4
2. froggynoddy
3. Beneather BLU Depressed Soldier modkilled Day 1
4. ghost_403 BLU Depressed Soldier modkilled Night 2
5. papapanda
6. Sinensis
7. johnnywup BLU Depressed Soldier modkilled Night 2
8. PaqMan
9. Kenpachi RED Rocket Jumper Soldier modkilled Night 2
10. Mementoss BLU Depressed Soldier dead Night 3
11. Bill Murray BLU Depressed Soldier lynched Day 1

12. Blazinghand BLU Sniper dead Night 4
+ Show Spoiler +
13. Palmar Killed Night 1 BLU Depressed Soldier
14. sinani206 RED Rocket Jumper Soldier modkilled Day 1
15. slOosh Killed Night 1 BLU Depressed Soldier
16. marvellosity
17. Eiii BLU Depressed Soldier dead Night 5
18. DoYouHas BLU Depressed Soldier killed Night 2
19. Katina RED Rocket Jumper Soldier modkilled Day 1
20. Zealos BLU Depressed Soldier modkilled Day 1
21. BlackRaven (Drazerk and Hassybaby hydra) Killed Night 1 BLU Depressed Soldier
22. blubbdavid BLU Depressed Soldier dead Day 2 lynch
23. l10f BLU Depressed Soldier lynched Day 5
24. grush57
25. SomethingAwesome BLU Depressed Soldier killed Night 2(Dirkzor and Mattchew hydra)
26. layabout BLU Depressed Soldier dead Day 3 lynch




BLU Mercenaries left 4/21

RED Mercenaries left 2/5
KP is 1.
KP is rounded up.


OP
On April 22 2012 03:20 Kurumi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Thanks to the author!
Class list


Reliable Excavation Demolition

RED Scout
Role Cop
Wearing the Killer Exclusive together with his Lugermorph and Licence to Main Scout looks like a real undercover cop! Wait, that's true! The thing is, he isn't the good cop. He is the bad cop. No, not like in this weird-strategy of interrogation! He is literally BAD cop.
He gets to know role of one of the players every night.
RED Rocket Jumper Soldier
Goon
I am flying high, MAGGOT! I am really stressed nowadays, because I am dating this hot American patriot girl from Louisiana from Monroe. How do I deal with it? JUMPING OF COURSE. Jumping without pain though! This tool usually sucks, but I found an use for it! I shall be proclaimed the best psychotherapist soon!
No powers.
RED Pyro
0.5KP Vigilante
-The Engineer still doesn't know how to translate what Pyro's saying, besides "SPY!", so You know... Can't quote anything good.-
Might deal 0.5KP damage to player of choice. One owns the KP, not the entire team.
RED Demoman
Mad Hatter
I LEFT SCRUMPY FOR THIS MATCH, SO BRING IT ON, DOUBLE EYED MONSTERS!
Plants bomb during the night. Might move it OR detonate it every night. Has one bomb which counts as 1KP. It detonates after he dies.
RED Heavy
Godfather Politician
I am leader of the team! I am best now! No one can stop Heavy-RED Team! Mighty RED will rule baby BLU to the ground!
Did You know, that my father was fighting against the Communist Revolution?
DT checks come back as "BLU", has a hidden vote.
RED Engineer
Role Picker
Get lost or I will get You done Texan Style.
Has three powers to choose from. Can only choose one(for the entire game). They are: Framer (makes player show up as RED to DT checks.), Doctor, Roleblocker.
RED Medic
Doctor
Heavy is ze leader, I am ze backup leader now! A-haha! I am healing my comrades when they need it, never letting them down! I make sure that they are zalive!
Can choose to protect one person from 1 KP. No one knows about successful protect.
RED Sniper
Day Vigilante
Snipin's fine job mate. Especially when You're in the better team. Professionals have standards.
Might shoot someone during the day by typing ##Kill Playername. Has only one bullet.
RED Spy
Roleblocker
Everything's going to be done in a single cycle, believe me.
Can prevent someone's action from going through. People without roles are not notified of a roleblock.


Builders League United


BLU Scout
Alignment Detective
I am trying to prove that I am not only agility, there's a lot of intelligence people miss out when thinking about me! This is time to prove that I am intelligent, handsome, agile and precise mercenary!
Can check player's alignment every night. They come back as "BLU" or "RED".
BLU Depressed Soldier
Vanilla Town
Lucy doesn't love me anymore... She is with that stupid copy of me from REDs. I want him dead. I want THEM dead. I hate them.
As usual, has no powers besides his vote.
BLU Pyro
Tracker
-BLU Pyro nowadays was hiding from people, but that's because he was learning the art of tracking. After his hard training he's confident in his abilities.-
Can check who player visits every night.
BLU Demoman
Mad Hatter
I can drink and help at the same time! That's amazing mate! It's aaaaaaaaall about stickybombs today!
Has two bombs he might place, move or detonate every night. When he dies, his bombs blow up. They count as 1KP.
BLU Heavy
Veteran
I take care of BLU baby men and get hit so they live! I am real hero!
Has two night lives. It takes two hits, or 4x0.5KP to take him down.
BLU Engineer
Role Picker
No secrets revealed partner!
Has three power to choose from. Might choose only one for the entire game. They are: Refill ammo and life/Doctor/Night Vigilante with 1 bullet.
BLU Medic
Doctor
I've practiced medicine long enough to be sure I can save my dear BLU team mates. Nothing can go wrong when I am on the battlefield!
Might protect one person every night. No one is notified about a successful protect.

BLU Sniper
Night Vigilante
This unprofessional bastard from REDs thinks he is the best! He is not a true Australian mate, You need to know that! I've never seen him piss in a jar!
Might shoot someone during the night. Has one bullet which counts for 1KP.
+ Show Spoiler +
BLU Spy
Day Vigilante
...
Might backstab someone during the day by typing ##Kill playername. His Spy-cicle breaks after that.

Q&A


Is every role guaranteed to be in the game?
No.

Am I notified about getting hit with 0.5KP?
Yes.

Can BLU Spy get his Spy-cicle refilled by Engineer if he chooses to be ammo/life refiller?
Yes.
Can RED get their powers refilled?
Yes.

What happens if Roleblocker uses his action on a BLU Engineer during N1?
Engineer is notified about the RB, but the role he picked goes through.

I got burnt by the Pyro! Or did I?
If You ever get hit by Pyro, You'll be notified about it.

I AM LEADER OF THE TEAM, CAN I DIRECT MY ENTIRE TEAM?
Well, no. Every role submits it own action. You can't decide who someone else will do.

Example Role PMs:

You are rolename! You need to wincondition!



You are! Random Kurumi blabbering with engrish. You need to wincondition!


Sup I am lazy fuck there's Your role guess what You need to wincon and yeah no colours because that's how I roll


Hey listen I am the real PM!
Nope.


AKA I send pms the way I please. They might be all same. They might be coloured. They might be with italics. They might be with videos. With pictures. With bolded text. Whatever I feel like at the moment. I might even put AMERICA somewhere.

They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 09 2012 14:40 GMT
#579
I like how BH's entire problem with me was a single 'lie'. Suddenly, his problems with hyaach became secondary to me because I was actively misleading the town. Then, he realizes that he misread something, and completely backs off of the whole 'ghost is scum' thing. To me, this is a classic scum overreaction, both before and after my correction.

I don't now what to make of hyaachs claim. This is exactly when he should claim, provided he really is the JK. I don't see why he would lie about the role block regardless of his alignment. This means we're still stuck trying to explain why there was no NK last night.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 09 2012 14:46 GMT
#580
@shaft that looks like a good post, I'll respond to that in a bit. Busy atm.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 10 2012 18:53 GMT
#655
I guess everyone is waiting until the hour before for discussion or something?

@blazinghand: In order for your theory (mafia shot SK) to work, you still have to explain why there was no NK last night. We know he wasn't JK'd, so why would the SK hold his shot?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 10 2012 23:11 GMT
#679
Alright, this has gone on long enough.

There is zero chance of Blazinghand being the town vig at this point.

Think about it. If blazinghand really was the town vig, that means that really was roleblocked Night 1. That roleblocker is either scum or town.
  • If the RB was Hyaach, why would Hyaach lie about being roleblocked Night 1? He wouldn't. Therefore, BH was not roleblocked by Hyaach.
  • If there was another town RB, why wouldn't he claim at this point? Mislynching BH at this stage in the game puts us one mislynch closer to losing. He's jeopardizing his own chances of winning by not blaiming to have RB'd BH. Therefore, BH was not roleblocked by another town RB.
  • If scum RB'd BH, how could Hyaach have been RB'd Night 1? In order for this to be true, either Hyaach had to have lied, or the scum team would need two roleblockers. As shown above, Hyaach would not have lied about being roleblocked, and assuming two scum RBs in this game is borderline preposterous. And, if the latter was the case, another townie would come forward this cycle saying they were roleblocked.


In addition to this, a second town roleblocker coming forward during the night would make BH nearly confirmed town. Why would scum chose to kill VE over an almost confirmed town at this point in the game? There's no reason for the scum to do this at all.

Now, put it together:
  1. Blazinghand played his scum meta to a T at the beginning of this game.
  2. Blazinghand is not playing this game the way he's played as a Vig in the past.
  3. Blazinghand was cautious when Pandain fake claimed vig.
  4. Blazinghand overreacted horribly when I 'lied' in thread.
  5. Blazinghand hasn't had a town RB come to his rescue.


Blazinghand rolled scum this game. And what do we do with scum?

##vote blazinghand
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 10 2012 23:16 GMT
#681
@BH: I'm not holding my breath. I wouldn't recommend it if I were you, either.

Also, you never answered my previous question.

On June 11 2012 03:53 ghost_403 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I guess everyone is waiting until the hour before for discussion or something?

@blazinghand: In order for your theory (mafia shot SK) to work, you still have to explain why there was no NK last night. We know he wasn't JK'd, so why would the SK hold his shot?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
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