EPTScum:
Greymist
Wiggles
SK:
chaoser
Before night ends I'll reread filters again and see if I can make sense of this.
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gonzaw
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Scum: Greymist Wiggles SK: chaoser Before night ends I'll reread filters again and see if I can make sense of this. | ||
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Beware of who scum push. Scum HAVE to lynch the SK at some point, and I doubt they'll be happy leaving him alive forever and let him be the last lynch since if they ever get to close to victory he can shoot into them. So I think that scum may have started to or may start to push for a SK lynch (as in, they genuinely believe someone is SK and are pushing for his lynch, they could always be wrong about who they believe is SK though). I dunno why but my gut feeling says that's what's happening with Wiggles/other people pushing chaoser. But like I said, I'll reread things later so take this with a grain of salt it's just a hunch. | ||
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gonzaw
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On June 15 2012 11:34 GreYMisT wrote: Ask yourself, what purpose does discussing this serve Finding the SK, what else? | ||
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For instance, scum could very well do with me surviving until a 2-2 phase, they don't give a shit as long as they kill/lynch other townies. So they don't really give a shit about killing me or forcing my lynch, but they'd do it only if it's in their best interests. However, they NEED to kill the SK, it's not just one guy they can take care of only if it benefits them. They actively need to search for him, and not only that, but need to get him lynched (since he's bulletproof at night). So yeah, scum will most likely start to hunt the SK and force his lynch, and I don't see how it isn't be good for town to know this. I wonder what you think of Hes' flip Grey though, and what made you start this conversation in the first place (do you think I'm scum for bringing it up?) | ||
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On June 15 2012 11:56 GreYMisT wrote: yea but the majority of this post isnt about finding the SK. Sure it looks that way, but really you are saying that scum want the SK dead. news flash, scum want us all dead. No...scum don't instantly know who the SK is...but they need to find him, and they do need to get him lynched afterwards. When we lynch some scum in the future, we can use this info to see who he was pushing..and if we find he was legitimately pushing someone with good reasons, then that guy is probably SK (or is probably the guy they thought was SK). You are still dodging the issue, what do you think of this Hes flip? (and why start this semi-pointless argument?) | ||
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Wife-"Hey honey! How was your day!" Husband-"Oh, hes flipped VT, which means I was wrong, which means he thought that VE was scum, changed his mind, and wasn't here at all to contribute, you know, the usual stuff" Really dude? Like, he just flipped VT and you have nothing else to say? How about it completely changing your reads? How about the flip making you desperate because you know tomorrow is LYLO and we need to catch scum fast? How about it phasing you at all in any way? | ||
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Any townie whose FoS just flipped VT would at least feel something and would at least start to think differently. What are your immediate thoughts right now? Like, what is the first thing that crossed your mind when you saw him flip? "Damn I was sure X was town but now I think he may be scum" perhaps? Or "Okay, doesn't matter I already I thought X was a little bit suspicious so now I can still have a coherent scum team and I don't need to change my reads too much" ? Or maybe "AOJALKD WTF??? Okay I give up" ? You are just acting like you don't even care about his flip...or like you expected it. | ||
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On June 16 2012 01:17 GreYMisT wrote: Wiggles worries me, VE, and I actually also get the feeling gonzaw is the SK (I think i mentioned this earlier). Dont have too much behind it, but i imagine the SK this game would be completley unafraid of death, allowing him to appear as townie as possible. Couple this with the fact that gonzaw has tried to start SK hunts, meaning it would be less likely he would be singled out as one if he were leading the charge. Radfield strikes me as town, as does VE. As aforementioned Gonzaw is either town or the SK. BB is more town to me than wiggles, who is moderatly scummy to me. Chaoser is a mystery to me, prp will have to do really good tomorrow. Palmar worries me. People have mentioned his lackluster cases today, and I agree. The palmar I am used to seeing completely dominates the game, has very strong opinions, and gets his way. This palmar is not only completley different, but different in a scummy way. Although I like people thinking I'm SK for now (hopefully scum don't shoot me tonight because of it  ), I don't think the SK would be too confident in being "invincible" at night, since if he's too pro-town there's like 80% chance scum will shoot him at night, revealing his identity to them."Wiggles worries me" "Chaoser is a mystery to me" "Palmar worries me" So.....anything conclusive to say? At least from gut feeling? On June 15 2012 19:08 Radfield wrote: Gonzaw, I think you're grasping at straws with the Greymist thing. Do you think Greymist is town? What do you people think about lynching Wiggles tomorrow? | ||
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gonzaw
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Well....okay I won't assume anything then (at least until there isn't a night kill or we lynch a scum) | ||
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lol haven't even read filters yet Fuck my homework has to wait | ||
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About Radfield: I'll still bet he's town (I stand by what I said in that "Rad defense" post earlier). I've skimmed his filter again and I just can't get a scum vibe off him. I was getting suspicious of him because he didn't make those "giant cases that nail scum" posts and didn't seem confident in pursuing anybody in particular (like he is in games he plays as town). However, I remember I was convinced he was scum in "I am a cop you idiot!" Mafia exactly for the same reason: he seemed too careful the whole game, was wishy-washy about some people and not extremely confident. He flipped town that game, and just like this game he lived pretty far (until N2 or N3 I think). I guess the same thing is happening to him this game, scum are just playing very good and he doesn't really have an idea of what's going on, so he is trying to do whatever he can. Yeah I think that's most probably the case, he should not get lynched tomorrow under any circumstances (it's LYLO remember?) About VE: Yeah he's very likely town, cba to post reasons (and I don't have time )About BB: Shit don't have the time to reread his filter again. I'll just take that bet from before and assume he's town for the moment (for those reasons I said earlier, and his behavior on D2 as well.....although now that Hes flipped scum I'm not so convinced, but well whatever) About Palmar: Gut instinct tells me he's not town, he could be the SK/scum substitute of chaoser/Greymist. His play reminds me of Liar Game in a way, he was very apparent townie on D1 and N1, coming up with plans, being confident, not seeming to push a scum agenda and just acting like normal Palmar. But in Liar Game as time went on he just stopped being active and a force in town and basically disappeared, ocassionally posting his thoughts and then disappearing again. I get the feeling he might be doing the same here, I don't see a reason for a Town Palmar to drop his level of play at this time, even though I get a town read off him when I reread his D1 filter. Of course he still thinks I'm scum and hasn't done shit, and I think Rad's find about Palmar subtly hinting Hes was town or something is kind of incriminating as well. About Wiggles: He just made idle chat about the RNG bits (and I already mentioned why I got a red flag from one of his posts there). He also likes to make GIGANTIC posts full of fluff. Like really there was a post of his with like 10000 lines that discussed his stance on RNG and didn't bring anything new or interesting to the table. His activity is not consistent, he basically disappears for batches of time, then comes back and disappear again. He spend almost 80% of his time pushing chaoser or talking about chaoser, nothing else. Other than that he just mentioned Hesmyrr a little bit (in his "I'm keeping my eye on him" post, and then in the "He's my 2nd candidate I'll change my vote to him" post as well) But again, then he just tunnels chaoser and nothing else. Doesn't really comment on what's happening on the Hesmyrr vs Radfield discussion, he just points out he still wants to lynch chaoser and Hes is his 2nd choice for a lynch, doesn't really bring anything new to the table regarding the argument and doesn't comment on anything else. He doesn't really take a strong stance on Palmar, Radfield, BB or others, and it appears to me he doesn't even care about it or something, his #1 purpose in life is to lynch chaoser and then the rest of the world could burn if it were for him. Yeah I'm running out of time so I'd say lynch Wiggles tomorrow. About Grey/chaoser: Hell whatever I don't have time I'd say Grey is more scummy than chaoser...but I guess I can trust Radfield on this one (I'd like him to post a more thorough reasoning on why Grey is town though, like why he's all wishy-washy and doesn't seem to care, etc). I guess chaoser could be SK like I said, I don't really think he's scum, but well I could be wrong. Prplhz's 1st post wasn't pretty good either. Whatever if I die I'd recommend you guys lynch Wiggles, but keep Palmar/chaoser/Grey as alternatives and see how it unfolds. Fuck fuck it's already deadline fuck. Yeah hopefully scum think I'm SK and don't shoot me....this has been the longest I've been alive as town yet (I was alive until D2 in LI, but as soon as N2 started the game ended in draw (thanks to Mattchew  ), so yeah living until the end of N2 is the longest I've lived in a TL game as town).So yeah, let's see, hopefully they shoot the SK or something (I doubt it though). | ||
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gonzaw
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[quote].although now that Hes flipped town I'm not so convinced, but well whatever)[quote] | ||
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Fuck .although now that Hes flipped town I'm not so convinced, but well whatever) | ||
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FUCK YEAH FIRST TIME ALIVE IN D3 AS TOWN BABY!!!! WOOHOOOO! Oh yeah damn about VE | ||
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I don't think the lynch should be anybody other than those 3 for now (I guess Grey could substitute one of them). Which one do you choose and why? I'm leaning towards Wiggles for now, but I made that intent clear last night and I wasn't shot, so I'll tread carefully here. | ||
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Actually I'm reconsidering a Palmar lynch right now...hmm BrownBear, would you like Palmar lynched today? If not who would you prefer? | ||
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