On June 13 2012 18:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
For the record, I think this is bullshit. Its 5:44am here. I stayed up SPECIFICALLY to discuss shit with you, because I thought you were town.

I can't discuss with you if you've decided my strongest townread is scum. Also, you've played with me often enough as scum to know that your conclusion is very unlikely, as you know my default scum strategy is bus my entire team from day 1. It's sort of reasonable, but probably wrong, to think Radfield is scum, or that I'm scum. But it's very strange to think we're scumbuddies.

There isn't even a reason for me to defend him unless I genuinely think he's town, as if we were mafia buddies, your case wasn't gaining any traction yet, compared to people wanting to lynch for example Hesmyrr.

You can think I'm scum and that I'm defending Radfield to make him feel warm and fuzzy
You can think Rad's scum and that I'm just plain fucking wrong
You can hardly think we're both scum, especially in a game where all it takes is a random SK shot to flip one of us, incriminating both.

The simple solution is that we're both town.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

June 13 2012 09:58 GMT

#557

Read your own case again, just instead of looking at your points from the direction of "Why would town Radfield do this", and instead look at "Would scum Radfield do this?".

You read his first post suggesting we lynch Ace and think "that's a bad suggestion, why would town radfield do that? He's better than that". But you forget about the alternative, there is also no reason scum radfield was going to do do that. Do you think Scumfield thinks he can get Ace lynched by this logic? Do you think scumfield is dumb enough to do that shit with no chance of success?

Arguing with Ace is also kinda reasonable. Ace is always useless and takes stubborn asshole stances early in the game. Loads of townies argue with me all the time because I'm an asshole, that doesn't make them or me scum, it simply means they've invested something in the game.

In addition, do you think it's likely scum would spend the night arguing with someone they were going to shoot in the daypost anyway, thus confirming their stance of view? Risking that seems also something scumfield would have no reason to do.

Now, there is a tiny chance he's the SK, I have never known how to scumhunt for SKs. But to me the really simple way of dealing with things is to assume he's town, which he most likely is.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

June 13 2012 09:58 GMT

#558

I read your case. I actually read the games when I'm town, although I admit I've skimmed some of gonzaw's posts.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

June 13 2012 10:03 GMT

#560

I read it, but for obvious reasons I have to ignore any argument that involves me being bad at mafia.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

June 13 2012 10:11 GMT

#562

Do you think I'm wrong about gonz rad?

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

June 13 2012 10:13 GMT

#564

Also Radfield. VisceraEyes just changed the game. In what way do you think he changed the game?

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

June 13 2012 10:25 GMT

#568

On June 13 2012 19:19 Radfield wrote:

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I don't know. Other than changing my opinion of him and making me take a closer look at him. How do you think the game changed.

Can you elaborate on how this changed your opinion on him? You seemed to initially think he was kinda fishy, but then you admitted to have misread(?) something he said and explained that he looked ok. What's your current stance?

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

June 13 2012 10:55 GMT

#572

That's actually the completely wrong answer Radfield. VE's entire demeanor, the emotional outburst, the frustration with my lack of enthusiasm for his efforts basically makes him my strongest town read atm.

hmm...

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

June 13 2012 11:52 GMT

#574

you still think he's scum?

Why would scumfield be so gallant... he's not bad?

maybe you're right.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

June 13 2012 11:52 GMT

#575

whatever, gonna take a break for now, will read some stuff again later.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

June 13 2012 14:31 GMT

#577

Why are you concerned with what VE thinks if you think he's scum?

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

June 14 2012 09:56 GMT

#614

Just because people mentioned it, my stance on Radfield has changed.

I'm not 100% certain he's scum, but he's looking really bad. Anyone with half a brain would see VE is town now, and Radfield has at least three quarters of a brain.

I'm not sure I like the hesmyrr lynch. The fact that I forgot about him in my nightpost means that he's not doing anything of value, or I'd remember, and he seems to kinda avoid confrontations, but he was also stupid in a pretty townie way early in the game.

I still think gonzaw is scum, I don't think BB is scum anymore, mostly by virtue of almost everyone else looking worse than him. If I was playing resistance I'd be suggesting a team that doesn't include gonzaw/rad/wiggles/chaoser, picking from the other players instead. For safety I'd probably not include hesmyrr either.

I'll make the case on gonzaw when I have time today, I was hoping people would just bandwagon me, but alas...