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On June 11 2012 07:38 gonzaw wrote:
/facepalm
(please read the thread like I asked you to)
You also avoided a question I made to you:
What do you think of Wiggles?
Not only that, but:
What do you think of Radfield? Do you think he's scum by the way you cast some suspicion on him?
What do you think about Palmar, and his switch from trying to use RNG to ignoring it and voting MZ using "analysis" ?
I now have time to answer these questions.
You misunderstood my purpose by refering to Radfield I was, as you said, defending myself by pointing out others acting similarly to me. I was not however condemning him. My opinion of radfield, as most people at this stage, is fairly null, but leaning townie. He has not, however, really made and direct contributions towards actual players, and only recently supported Hesmyrr.
I am more confident in Palmar at the current moment. As radfield actually stated discussion a RNG lynch, and then using reactions to dictate your target is perfectly fine. It is always ok in my book to swap votes or lynch targets as long as you have a good reason.
I am suspicious of Wiggles. Its not much at the moment, but His major post (which was fairly recent) discusses really nothing that happened recently. He states he is against a RNG lynch, but then says cases where he would be OK with it. Its this kind of indirectness that I don't want to see.
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On June 11 2012 09:10 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 08:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Oh shit he voted for me? Vanilla Townie+ Show Spoiler +Yes, I'm afraid my lack of stance on whether RNG is beneficial for town is NOT indicative of my alignment. The truth is, I can see both sides of the argument, so I'm fine with whatever. I suggest you don't lynch me because of that. I've got opinions. I intend to share them with the class. Wtf? Scumslip much? My role is Vanilla Towny, so that means you just fake-claimed ##Vote: VisceraEyes>_> So VE, please share those reads with the "class"
Still gathering my thoughts, But I do need to see more out of Brown Bear as well as MZ in addition to my Wiggles suspicion
Also I hope that is not your complete reasoning for voting VE, haha.
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Im not suspicious because me and iGrok have hosted together multiple times. I know not to put stock in Role PMs being different as he changes them on purpose, or gives them different names, he also puts sample Role PMs in the OP.
so yea, I don't put stock in Vanilla townie being too different from Vanilla towny
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For the record, my reaction had a "haha" after it, Gonzaws had a <_<.
Mine is equally joking, if not more so.
In any case, I am very worried about Ace after rereading. Particularly his post asking for caoser to respond to something someone else said without providing us anything, as well as saying he is down for an RNG lynch and then disappearing without again, giving us anything.
Ace has bounced around a bit today without polarizing or giving town anything
##Vote: Ace
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By "everything that's going on" you mean accusations against me.
I feel Ace is suspicious. So I voted. I was accused of fluff, it's gone.
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Wiggles has posted more content then ace. My suspicion is still there, but Ace is more concerning for me.
I'll probably be lynched today regardless of what I say due to mob mentality, gonzaw turning everything I say around into a scum agenda, and fear of lynching the big players.
What I'm going to do is try to get us on the right track so we have somewhere to move tomorrow.
Gonzaw, while I do think your reasoning consists mainly of over eagerness, I think you're town for the moment.
With that in mind give me reasons not to vote Ace, aside from "grey is a better target"
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On June 11 2012 11:59 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 11:23 chaoser wrote:On June 11 2012 11:12 gonzaw wrote:
Did you read the post I made about him?
Grey explicitly said he was eager for analysis; he implicitly said he'd be eager to start making analysis himself (if he wasn't, then that was a contradiction from him and even scummier).
BB never said he'd be eager for such, for all I know he's a bored townie that doesn't care shit about anything.
Grey wasn't, he was eager to get the game started and post content, but he failed to produce it.
Brownbear specifically says "so, let's spark some real discussion. chaoser, what do you have against ace this game. question mark goes here." You yourself JUST said you were "a little bit suspicious" of him but now he "might be a bored townie"? Your reasoning is shitty, but I still think greymist is still scum so let's agree to disagree on how shitty your reasoning is cause I don't want to shit up the thread anymore and I know your tendency to spam like no tomorrow. Could you stop arguing with me please? Yes, I may have missed BB's post when I tried to analyze Grey. Hell, he could be scum as well, along with Grey (or SK, whatever). The fact that I missed it doesn't mean shit on what I wrote about Grey. I don't need to lynch both scum today, one suffices (and is in fact the only thing I can do...you know....you can't double-lynch and shit). Yes the "he might be a bored townie" part may have been an exaggeration. Water under the bridge, the enemy of my enemy is my friend (unless you are SK, in which case the enemy of the enemy of the friend of my enemy which is still the enemy of my enemy is my friend).
Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 11:31 GreYMisT wrote:
Wiggles has posted more content then ace. My suspicion is still there, but Ace is more concerning for me.
I'll probably be lynched today regardless of what I say due to mob mentality, gonzaw turning everything I say around into a scum agenda, and fear of lynching the big players.
What I'm going to do is try to get us on the right track so we have somewhere to move tomorrow.
Gonzaw, while I do think your reasoning consists mainly of over eagerness, I think you're town for the moment.
With that in mind give me reasons not to vote Ace, aside from "grey is a better target" Ehmm...everybody except me in this game is a "big player". If had fear of lynching a big player then I'd have to vote for myself. Grey, there has been thorough discussion about: -VE -Radfield And you completely ignored both. You were also asked to make reads with more content (on Wiggles for instance), and you didn't. Instead you ignored everything and created more chaos by adding a guy (that you failed to acknowledged at all before) to the lynch candidate mix for shitty reasons. No, Ace is barely trying this game, and he's acting just like in Liar Game; just fooling around. If he were scum he'd be more manipulative by now, instead of "yeah RNG lynch k koo". The great thing is that if he's scum he wouldn't do that, and that's true (unless someone posts a counter-example). Not only that, I'm sure you know that as well, considering you've been interacting with Ace way longer than I have, which is why your vote was scummy as shit.
Never been in a game with Ace
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On June 11 2012 12:02 gonzaw wrote:
Right, you never hosted a game with Ace in it, nor you ever observed a game with Ace in it.
I'm sure you don't even know who Ace is. Is he one of those noobs that played the Newbie Games these past few games? I think he is.
Well now you're just being disruptive and trying to get me emotional.
Regardless, I have voted the way I have voted. Deal with it. I'll need to see more from a majority of the playerlist before I can make more informed decisions.
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On June 11 2012 12:12 gonzaw wrote:Nope, it's not an attempt to make you emotional but an attempt to show the absurdity of what you've just said (well...if you don't really know who Ace is then sorry I guess >_> ) I'm still waiting for your contributions and "analysis" Show nested quote +I'll need to see more from a majority of the playerlist before I can make more informed decisions. I don't want you to make a decision, I want you to prove to us that you are town.
Wouldn't you know it, I left all of my proof back where all the other players are lurking.
Maybe one of them can bring some to me
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On June 11 2012 12:17 gonzaw wrote:Yeah I'm sure they can bring it to you in the Obs QT when they die after you (Bam!  )
carefull, you are starting to sound like Risk.nuke
You arn't going to become one of those crazy tunnely players I hate are you?
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In any case, do something for me. I want you to look the day over without your Confirmation Bias. A fresh start. Perhaps that will make my posting seem more clear to all of you.
First off, I was indeed very occupied most of the day the game started and today, though obviously I have gotten back into the thread. This means I was unable to make giant posts, or post at all when i wanted to.
That being said, I got home, saw I was being accused of not providing reads, and just gave you 3 gut reads.
Upon a reread of people I was unsure of, I decided at the moment that I was most suspicious of Ace and voted him.
Now, back to the present. Would scum GreYMisT vote Ace? out of the blue?
please, give me credit.
I already stated suspicion of wiggles, as you so pointed out. in fact, others have as well. It would make much more sense for me to vote wiggles.
Yes, i could be doing this as a massive scheme, but would it be worth the risk? probably not.
My most recent somewhat normal game as town was probably Election mafia, and probably steamship as scum.
Not sure if it would help since you would be comparing day 1 behavior, but feel free to look at those games, let me know if you want more.
Thats all im going to do for defense. Feel free to ask questions and I'll answer them.
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On June 11 2012 12:42 gonzaw wrote:
Okay Grey, do know that I don't have a "tunneling vendetta" against you or anything, you just seem to completely avoid the issues being brought on against you (lack of reads/analysis, creating suspicions, being "neutral", etc) and divert attention.
Okay then, I'll ask you some questions then (although I was hoping you'd post your opinion on them without being asked to):
What are your thoughts on the current discussion? Do you agree with Hesmyrr's case on VE (how the hell did you miss it?) ?
Do you agree with VE's and MZ's "case" against Radfield (again how the hell did you miss it?) ?
Do you have a more thorough analysis of Wiggles' play? What about the things we've been mentioning about him? Do you agree with them or not? Why or why not?
Why exactly do you think Ace is more suspicious than say...BrownBear?
Do you think this would fit Ace's scum play? Do you think he's just trolling or something as scum (unlike his "normal" scum play?) ?
Considering Ace played almost exactly like this on Liar Game (and he was town), what would you say about it? Would you still find him suspicious?
If you still think he's scum in base of all these, then make a more thorough explanation..
If you are town, you already have lots of opinions...just post them (it shouldn't be too hard...you already own said opinions, you don't have to fake them or anything).
Surely you didnt read the 2 samples I provided, or reread the entire thread in that short amount of time.
I saw the case on VE, but i was a bit busy being tunneled.
Basically my play comes down to me wanting to not spew gibberish all over the thread. I like to be a bit more sure about what I say. In the past I have even gotten in trouble as town, and derailed discussion for a full day because I changed my mind on a vote once.
But I'm getting off topic, just wanted you to know my opinion on that.
As far as the case on VE, I feel as though it is pretty well thought out. If you read a page before it, I actually comment on the post that the case is largely based on. Overall I feel that it is not a good enough reason to condemn someone at the moment.
You tell me to not say "If i were scum I would definatly not do X" but that is your soft defense of Ace right there. You say that Ace would definatly not be playing like he is right now if he were scum. In my eyes he is a player who was clearly in the thread, but chose not to comment on anything. Nothing more.
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On June 11 2012 12:56 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 11:31 GreYMisT wrote:
Wiggles has posted more content then ace. My suspicion is still there, but Ace is more concerning for me.
I'll probably be lynched today regardless of what I say due to mob mentality, gonzaw turning everything I say around into a scum agenda, and fear of lynching the big players.
What I'm going to do is try to get us on the right track so we have somewhere to move tomorrow.
Gonzaw, while I do think your reasoning consists mainly of over eagerness, I think you're town for the moment.
With that in mind give me reasons not to vote Ace, aside from "grey is a better target" what are you defining as content? This isn't rhetorical I'm really interested in knowing so I can frame your posts better.
I would say content is information that allows players to define your stance on some issue.
You have indeed provided some (you are for a RNG, and you found Wiggle's analysis interesting). Wiggles on the otherhand has provided slightly more in my eyes (actual discussion about the RNG lynch, suspicion of chaoser, response to questions)
does that help?
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On June 11 2012 13:09 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 12:58 GreYMisT wrote:On June 11 2012 12:42 gonzaw wrote:
Okay Grey, do know that I don't have a "tunneling vendetta" against you or anything, you just seem to completely avoid the issues being brought on against you (lack of reads/analysis, creating suspicions, being "neutral", etc) and divert attention.
Okay then, I'll ask you some questions then (although I was hoping you'd post your opinion on them without being asked to):
What are your thoughts on the current discussion? Do you agree with Hesmyrr's case on VE (how the hell did you miss it?) ?
Do you agree with VE's and MZ's "case" against Radfield (again how the hell did you miss it?) ?
Do you have a more thorough analysis of Wiggles' play? What about the things we've been mentioning about him? Do you agree with them or not? Why or why not?
Why exactly do you think Ace is more suspicious than say...BrownBear?
Do you think this would fit Ace's scum play? Do you think he's just trolling or something as scum (unlike his "normal" scum play?) ?
Considering Ace played almost exactly like this on Liar Game (and he was town), what would you say about it? Would you still find him suspicious?
If you still think he's scum in base of all these, then make a more thorough explanation..
If you are town, you already have lots of opinions...just post them (it shouldn't be too hard...you already own said opinions, you don't have to fake them or anything). Surely you didnt read the 2 samples I provided, or reread the entire thread in that short amount of time. I saw the case on VE, but i was a bit busy being tunneled. Basically my play comes down to me wanting to not spew gibberish all over the thread. I like to be a bit more sure about what I say. In the past I have even gotten in trouble as town, and derailed discussion for a full day because I changed my mind on a vote once. But I'm getting off topic, just wanted you to know my opinion on that. As far as the case on VE, I feel as though it is pretty well thought out. If you read a page before it, I actually comment on the post that the case is largely based on. Overall I feel that it is not a good enough reason to condemn someone at the moment. You tell me to not say "If i were scum I would definatly not do X" but that is your soft defense of Ace right there. You say that Ace would definatly not be playing like he is right now if he were scum. In my eyes he is a player who was clearly in the thread, but chose not to comment on anything. Nothing more. *sigh* Why don't you stop worrying about "spewing gibbreish all over the thread" and just answer the questions and contribute? Seriously, if I was town and I knew I was a possibly misslynch then I would give two shits about "trying to play correctly" and I'd try to convince people I'm town, because as much as "I don't want town to get into trouble", they would certainly get into one if they misslynched me. That would be the case if answering those questions, providing more reasoning behind your votes/reads, and commenting on what's happening in the thread was "spewing gibberish"....which is not.....it's actually the opposite. So you say that you want us to take a step back to analyse you and ask you questions, but when we do you get all defensive on our asses and do shit all? What kind of town plead is that? Show nested quote +You tell me to not say "If i were scum I would definatly not do X" but that is your soft defense of Ace right there. You say that Ace would definatly not be playing like he is right now if he were scum No, they are completely different things. Ace is not doing anything disruptive, and because of the appliance of meta it means he's likely town. There's nothing "absurd" there. Not only that, but he didn't even use it to "confirm" his towniness. Ace never said "Hey guys see how I'm not causing chaos nor creating suspicion among yourselves? Do you see it? Yes that means I'm confirmed town okay bye". However, you certainly did (that Ace bit was a hyperbole so don't nit-pick).
he doesn't need to, you are doing it for him.
Anyway, done with you for now. You keep saying "Prove your towniness" but accuse me of getting defensive.
Speaking of doing shit all I would like you to answer the questions you posed to me in your most recent accusation.
We'll talk later
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On June 11 2012 13:10 Ace wrote:somewhat. I'm going to re-read the thread later as I've been like active lurking when I've been on. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't being cast as doing absolutely nothing for the day 
but you have been....
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On June 11 2012 13:18 Ace wrote:
have been what?
Not really doing much all day, Unless by saying "doing much all day" you meant actively lurking.
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On June 11 2012 13:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
What is it with people absolutely losing their heads when they get accused these days. Grey please just take a step back, though you may not think you are, you're coming across very defensive. Also I'm just gonna say right now I'm EXTREMELY wary of lynching VE. He's been mislynched two games in a row (I was directly responsible for one of them). While that does not excuse him from scrutiny, I'm gonna have a hard time voting for his lynch.
I would sure hope so, I am trying to defend myself after all
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And woah woah woah. You are hesitant to vote VE because of misslynching him under completely different circumstances in a different game?
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On June 11 2012 13:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 13:37 GreYMisT wrote:
And woah woah woah. You are hesitant to vote VE because of misslynching him under completely different circumstances in a different game? broski I've done it twice in the span of two games, pardon me if I'm hesitant to complete the hat trick.
Logic doesnt really make sense but alright, I'll give it to you for now.
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I'm going to go for now. Chaoser, i'd like to know who you think is mafia aside from me. So far your case on me that I can see is pretty much just not finding VE's usage of the word "Vanilla Townie" scummy. (btw my Role PM doesn't even mention the words Vanilla or Townie/Towny). While I complete my homework of contributing tomorrow, I would like you to do the same.
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