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On June 01 2012 10:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
##vote Kurumi
Kurumi is literally the easiest person on this forum to meta analyze. Any time he is town he's laid back and he doesn't care what he posts. He trolls, links videos, TF2 memes, etc. He is not cryptic as town but tries to be funny.
I think his more recent scum game was jubjub, but I didn't read much of it. There was a game I caught him this way when I was town, and then there was AC where I used that tactic as scum to nail Kurumi as 3rd party.
I find your case to be lacking. I don't see much difference between Kurumi's style this game and his style in L (the only normal game as town I could find in his profile). Posting pictures of Saddam Hussein and asking to be given double vig can hardly be considered serious.
On June 01 2012 11:00 Navillus wrote:
Hiro I don't entirely understand, if you think mafia would choose tracker no matter what why choose GF, RB seems like the best role to give them if we're probably gonna get a tracker.
Because I feel that tracker is a fairly worthless role, no matter what scum team has. It makes more sense to me to give them a role that is really only good against tracker than to give a role that is effective against almost anything.
Zephirdd
Zephirdd's posting is not that of town. During the poison voting phase, Zephir spends most of his time repeating what others say (read through the thread at this phase). He offers very little insight of his own.
On May 31 2012 04:54 Zephirdd wrote:Guys remember to vote on the voting thread!
On May 31 2012 09:34 Zephirdd wrote:
Kurumi and wbg need to vote
On May 31 2012 10:32 Zephirdd wrote:
On May 31 2012 09:34 Zephirdd wrote:
Kurumi and wbg need to vote
lol nvm im stupid
wbg and someone else needs to vote >_>'
Posts like these are posts for the sake of posting. Everyone posts like this from time to time; but for Zephir, these posts are a huge part of his filter.
[B]On May 31 2012 11:25 Zephirdd wrote:
Also, I don't like that Radfield was initially against registering votes pre-deadline. The Rad I know doesn't just "skim" by what people say.
Still, his town meta is "too town to be town", and here is just... normal town. Or rather, near null. That makes him red in my eyes.
Discuss.
This is about as wishy-washy and noncomittal as you'll ever see in a "accusation" (Zephir's words). Not only did Radfield already address his initial refusal to do encryption, but Zephir is trying very hard to make an accusation without actually making one (3 different descriptions for Radfield's play in one line)"and here is just... normal town. Or rather, near null. That makes him red in my eyes."
Zephirdd has a lack of useful posting, a large amount of "filler", and avoids taking strong stances. He is scum.
Vote: Zephirdd
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On June 01 2012 22:15 Zephirdd wrote:
Holy shit noone will ever get my name right, will ya?
anyways, let me explain my thought proccess. Day0 people apparently forgot to vote or were forgetting the obvious; its very common for a player to forget stuff and then be reminded when seeing it on the thread. Heck, there were games I would only realize I hadnt voted when someone called me out. What is the problem with trying to remind the same?
second, I changed opinions far too quickly. Basically, I was convinced by Radfield's arguments on the RB. Then Kurumi convinced me about Rad being scum. Then after the day, and wbg pointing out Kurumi's meta, I had to rethink things and decided Rad was right; if I could, I'd switch back to RB pick. I have to look at L though.
but hey, yknow what is bad? Risk's post is bad. Points fingers at three people without saying anything.
ps. Posting from phone is a pain @_@
This is a really bad response. Zephir basically just says "yea i did those things, don't lynch me though" and tries to throw suspicion on risk.nuke who is a really easy target because he's not posting at all.
And later on he says something about how people shouldn't vote for him because he's an easy target because he has a lot of votes....
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On June 02 2012 07:00 Sbrubbles wrote:
His case on Zephirdd was that Zephirdd hadn't contributed to the discussion, though Zephirdd was asking questions, like Sloosh was doing, which is a reasonable way to get discussion going early on.
Lol, someone didn't read my case or Zephirdd's filter. Zephirdd isn't posting any questions to spur discussion. The only questions he asks are to me. And in those questions, he never follows up and he only posts his opinion on my response after multiple other people have already said what they feel and he only does it when he is under pressure.
You completely ignored the part of my case about his wishy-washy non-existent accusation on Radfield. You make no comments at all about what Talismania says.
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On June 02 2012 07:24 risk.nuke wrote:
I've been away. I apologise for those of you who care about apologies. My time have disappeared before me and I haven't put down almost anything into this game YET.
Vote: Zephirdd
And hey, wbg thinks I'm scum so you should consider me confirmed townie.
I don't care about apologies. But I would like it if you explained your vote more clearly and I do want to hear some reads that you personally have, and not like the post you made earlier where you just say I want to kill this three people.
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How does that statement make you think he is blue at all?
I still need to filter him though 
LOL
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Could you please explain a little more why you don't think Zephirdd is a good lynch, Radfield? Because I just don't see how he hinted at being blue and many of the same points that you bring up about Navillus are applicable to Zephirdd also.
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I really like lynching people I can judge because I played with them a lot., which is the reason I'd rather lynch into hiro
Are you lying town or lying scum.
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On June 02 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 09:04 HiroPro wrote:
I really like lynching people I can judge because I played with them a lot., which is the reason I'd rather lynch into hiro
Are you lying town or lying scum. you are hiroprotagonist, aren't you? I think it's the 4th game we're playing together.
I am not hiroprotagonist and I have never played a game with you in my life. I have played in newbie VI, newbie newbie VIII, and I am in Magic right now.
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On June 02 2012 09:17 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 09:10 HiroPro wrote:On June 02 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:On June 02 2012 09:04 HiroPro wrote:
I really like lynching people I can judge because I played with them a lot., which is the reason I'd rather lynch into hiro
Are you lying town or lying scum. you are hiroprotagonist, aren't you? I think it's the 4th game we're playing together. I am not hiroprotagonist and I have never played a game with you in my life. I have played in newbie VI, newbie newbie VIII, and I am in Magic right now. LOL I assumed you're hiroProtagonist who shortened his nick to HiroPro.
Ok, I can understand why you thought that way. It's kind of funny lol cause prplhz asked me the exact same question.
I will be afk for like 30 minutes, but when I come back I will go through filters for Navillus and Sbrubbles and tell you guys what I think/vote.
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Navillus: I think most of the points that Radfield talks about in his case on Navillus are correct. Navillus did not contribute much during the setup phase and he has barely said anything on day 1. In the post where he votes, Navillus's behavior is really strange. He votes for Zephirdd but yet at the same time expresses concern that Zephirdd's behavior may be indicative of a newer player. Not only is Navillus unwilling to go through Zephirdd's profile and check out his game history, but he is also voting for someone who he seems to be personally unsure of....
Sbrubbles: If his reasons for voting for me are what he really believes (which appears true for me), then he looks town to me. He contributed thoughts of his own during setup and seemed generally straightforward and open today. I am not willing to vote for him right now.
I would like you to answer this question, though Sbrubbles. I can understand why you did not vote for Zephirdd based on my case (You think I am scum), but why is it that you completely ignored the case that talismania brought? I pointed this out before along with my feelings on the flaws in your reasoning regarding Zephirdd, but you ignored it.
If what prplhz and Radfield say regarding Zephirdd's status as a blue is correct, then he is not a good lynch for today. I will expect more from him tomorrow, though. Radfield's case on Navillus is solid - I am voting for Navillus.
Vote: Navillus
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I am voting for lynch lock. Day 3 must absolutely be mayoral election though, I won't accept anything else.
Kurumi, if you really are the vig, please don't shoot prplhz.
Zephirdd, it would be nice if you actually did say something about the people you looked. You went through a lot of filters. Surely you have something to say even if you don't necessarily have a strong mafia read on someone. What specifically made you suspicious of WBG? I would say that both he and Radfield led the lynch on Navillus equally, but for WBG you say that you are suspicious of him for leading the Navillus lynch, while the only thing you say about Radfield is "If Radfield is mafia I am doomed anyways."
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On June 03 2012 08:56 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 08:53 HiroPro wrote:
I am voting for lynch lock. Day 3 must absolutely be mayoral election though, I won't accept anything else.
Kurumi, if you really are the vig, please don't shoot prplhz.
Zephirdd, it would be nice if you actually did say something about the people you looked. You went through a lot of filters. Surely you have something to say even if you don't necessarily have a strong mafia read on someone. What specifically made you suspicious of WBG? I would say that both he and Radfield led the lynch on Navillus equally, but for WBG you say that you are suspicious of him for leading the Navillus lynch, while the only thing you say about Radfield is "If Radfield is mafia I am doomed anyways." Don't shoot why? That's it. I had some doubts but prplhz is dead for sure.
Because I have a town read on him. Switching from multiple candidates is not scummy behavior if actual legitimate reasons are provided. And the reasoning prplhz provides is adequate.
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On June 03 2012 09:06 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 09:03 HiroPro wrote:On June 03 2012 08:56 Kurumi wrote:On June 03 2012 08:53 HiroPro wrote:
I am voting for lynch lock. Day 3 must absolutely be mayoral election though, I won't accept anything else.
Kurumi, if you really are the vig, please don't shoot prplhz.
Zephirdd, it would be nice if you actually did say something about the people you looked. You went through a lot of filters. Surely you have something to say even if you don't necessarily have a strong mafia read on someone. What specifically made you suspicious of WBG? I would say that both he and Radfield led the lynch on Navillus equally, but for WBG you say that you are suspicious of him for leading the Navillus lynch, while the only thing you say about Radfield is "If Radfield is mafia I am doomed anyways." Don't shoot why? That's it. I had some doubts but prplhz is dead for sure. Because I have a town read on him. Switching from multiple candidates is not scummy behavior if actual legitimate reasons are provided. And the reasoning prplhz provides is adequate. There are no legitimate reasons. Zephirdd is fine, huh?
My personal feeling is that he is scum. But he has claimed blue "I'm amazed that I wasn't lynched. Thankfully Rad noted what I did there." and people seem to believe him. I don't think he is a good shot target for tonight. If he continues to play the way that he has so far, then he is scum in my opinion and I will push for his lynch.
But I think today it is best not to take a shot.
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Honestly, I don't know what to tell you. You disregard everything I say so it doesn't even matter.
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I've just finished going through filters again with a fresh mind. Not much new stuff was there obviously but there are some things I missed when I first read through everyone.
Toad: I noticed that one of the points in your case on prplhz is that he made a push against WBG with weak reasoning. I agree with this. However, at a very similar time you yourself say that you want to lynch WBG. Please explain why why/when your suspicions on WBG dropped and why you believe that this is scummy behavior by prplhz when you yourself express similar thoughts.
On June 01 2012 21:07 prplhz wrote:
I still want to lynch wherebugsgo.
Look at his day1 contributions. It's literally been two posts where he says he wants to lynch Kurumi because Kurumi isn't posting TF2 videos, nevermind that Kurumi did post pictures of Sadam Hussein and that Kurumi has played more seriously as town in his last few games.
Also, we need to remember that we can't have people are majority-1, if someone is at majority-2 then you have to agree with somebody else to hammer them. This is because scum has a secret vote and will just hammer any majority-1 if they are town.
I'm around, shoot me some questions if you want. I don't want to comment on everybody but I'll comment on some if people want me to.
I still want to lynch wherebugsgo.
On June 01 2012 21:50 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd like to lynch into hiro or wbg at this point.
Hiro is basicly a claimed mafia who says "well yeah, but would a mafia claim mafia?" which just doesn't work for me anymore since PYP.
WBG is just plain ridiculous right now and he's way better as town than what we see here. Add that to what I mentioned earlier about him (not knowing the d0 cycle was only 24 hours, not posting) and I feel like wbg would be the best vet to lynch into if I can convince you to lynch into a vet :p
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On June 03 2012 13:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Bntw posting from phone while drunkl. Hooray saturdays.
I liedm. I was trying to grab shots in my face. Radfield, idk where you took that -m blue, but ita fun how you instantly bring that I'm not dead. My post at night was a roleblocker/shot magnet. I was not roleblocked so I assume there is a framer out there.
toad, you tk a lot abou prp defending naviludd, but how does defending a town makes him scum?
akso I want to see more risk posts. He is posting too little imo.
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And I agree with talismania on IC. But I really doubt we have one.
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On June 03 2012 23:50 risk.nuke wrote:
I think we should lynch zephirdd for two reasons.
1. It will shed light on the voteswitch. It is infact very important that we learn zephirdds aligntment or we'll just stab ourselves in the foot if he turns out to be town.
2. Wbg was for lynching 3 people. Myself, Navillus and Zephirdd (And kurumi who he might not have pushed for because he didn't think he could get him lynched). Wbg was killed which indicates that the mafia believed he was on to something. Knowing that I am town, Navillus is town that leaves Zephirdd (and Kurumi).
So you don't want to kill him because you think he's mafia; you want to kill him for information and because WBG died. I feel like lynching you right now.
You haven't said anything about his "I wasn't actually claiming blue, I just went along with it." Surely that's an important thing to talk about when you want to push a lynch?
Oh and Zephirdd, don't take this to mean that I think you're town now. I have you down as in the middle.
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[QUOTE]On June 04 2012 00:29 risk.nuke wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 03 2012 23:55 Kurumi wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 03 2012 23:50 risk.nuke wrote:
@Hiro: Will I need to repeat every little thing so that your tiny brain can puzzle it together. I posted additional reasons for why zephirdd is a good lynch. It was not a new case because zephirdd already had a case on him.[/QUOTE]
There's no need to be rude. You never mention what parts of my case or talismania's reads or Radfield's reads on Zephirdd you agree with. The reasons that you mention have nothing to do with whether or not he is mafia. You are being extremely inactive and not making any proper reads or cases of your own. Don't expect me to treat you like confirmed town.
I agree with Radfield. I don't find the "going to be there d2" scummy but both the push on me (the uneven nature of it, especially when I look at people like Sbrubbles who also pushed me but did it very differently) and the really strange accusation on WBG (especially when Toad attempted to use this in his case against prplhz) are scummy. Toad's response to my questioning on the WBG part of his case against prplhz was bad, especially since he misrepresents prplhz (says that prplhz continued to push for WBG lynch, when in fact that was not the case at all.
Zephirdd and risk.nuke are both looking a little weird to me, but Toad's behavior is not only very scummy, but has clear mafia motives.
##Vote: Toadesstern (I will not be voting in the actual thread until much closer to the deadline)
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EBWOP: My formatting is all screwed up.
On June 04 2012 00:29 risk.nuke wrote:
@Hiro: Will I need to repeat every little thing so that your tiny brain can puzzle it together. I posted additional reasons for why zephirdd is a good lynch. It was not a new case because zephirdd already had a case on him.
There's no need to be rude. You never mention what parts of my case or talismania's reads or Radfield's reads on Zephirdd you agree with. The reasons that you mention have nothing to do with whether or not he is mafia. You are being extremely inactive and not making any proper reads or cases of your own. Don't expect me to treat you like confirmed town.
I agree with Radfield. I don't find the "going to be there d2" scummy but both the push on me (the uneven nature of it, especially when I look at people like Sbrubbles who also pushed me but did it very differently) and the really strange accusation on WBG (especially when Toad attempted to use this in his case against prplhz) are scummy. Toad's response to my questioning on the WBG part of his case against prplhz was bad, especially since he misrepresents prplhz (says that prplhz continued to push for WBG lynch), when in fact that was not the case at all.
Zephirdd and risk.nuke are both looking a little weird to me, but Toad's behavior is not only very scummy, but has clear mafia motives.
##Vote: Toadesstern (I will not be voting in the actual thread until much closer to the deadline)
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Meh, risk.nuke's filter is still so shallow that it's hard to analyze anything. What little he does have doesn't look very good, but I'm favoring the Toad lynch.
Toad has a clear agenda in hunting for mislynches. And Toad's responses have mostly been to the "alive on day 2 thing", which I don't really consider alignment-revealing, and frankly isn't something worth discussing further.
He still doesn't really say why he tried to push a case based almost solely on a game mechanic. And he sidesteps the issue of how he went from "oh be a team player" to "confirmed mafia" to "lynch between these people is fine" by saying that "confirmed" is just a quirk of speech, and not something he really means and also with the whole "hiro protagonist-HiroPro" confusion, but that was well after the changing opinions.
And Sbrubbles appears to have disappeared.
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