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On May 28 2012 01:56 Ace wrote: THIS GAME IS INVITE ONLY! DO NOT ASK TO SIGN UP YET! Rad... I thought better of you | ||
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If thats cutting it to close just exclude me. If not I still want to play =) | ||
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On June 11 2012 16:26 supersoft wrote: 4 scum, 4 blues? 1-2 GF means there is a 33% chance if we shoot into the non VT players to hit scum. 1/5 of all players are scum, so lets shoot all nonVTs day1? Shit you just don't read the OP do you? Where does it say the number of blues are 4? How do you know scum even have a GF? Or 2. (It does say that scum KP = 1 but that doesnt have to be a GF) We can only shoot 1 person per day phase. Whenever we shoot someone it goes to nightphase. Please go re read the ENTIRE thing... O_o | ||
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Roles: These are just some of the roles that may appear in the game. Also not every role you see appears in this form! Cop - Kinda sucks that you can't shoot during the day but someone has to uphold the law. At Night you may investigate a player and get a result of Innocent or Scum. You may be Sane, Insane or Paranoid | ||
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But I'll try again: Roles: These are just some of the roles that may appear in the game. Also not every role you see appears in this form! Bolded part means this is basicly a closed setup. Underlined means we can have a rolecop, scum doctor or whatever other role Ace can think of. About you whole DT strategy... On June 11 2012 19:28 Toadesstern wrote: However, we probably have a cop and in this setup the GF can't choose what he wants to show up as when being checked. This is important because usually the GF can choose what he returns on checks and therefore could choose to return as "Goon (mafia)" as well or whatever millers return as. This game they can't which means that a DT check on them WILL give us a green check meaning they're busted because there's no way a miller could produce a green check on beind DT'ed in a setup without a framer. So screw this tracker thing. Goon and RB can't fakeclaim. We just DT the guy and if he turns out green we shoot him because both GF and SK show up as green lol. You logic is just super flawed. 1) Yes a DT check can produce a green result. 2) Miller can also produce a green result 3) We don't know if scum have a framer 4) You just want to kill someone based on the first DT check that might not be correct? Outing the DT and giving scum the oppotunity to kill our DT? Seems to me you just want people to claim regardless. I've never found you to be this stupid so maybe its on purpose... | ||
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About RoL, who seemed to have had a busy night. Here is what he claims to have bee through: Being shot Being medic protected Getting his gun stolen And all this after a Miller claim n0. If this is all true we can conclude the following: We have a SK (since the smurf died). We have a Doctor who is atleast not with a naive sanity. Someone have a gun stealing ability (Most likely scum or the SK. A town ability like that seems weak and odd seeing they would only benefit stealing from the GF/SK) However, I'm trying to wrap my head around the reasons for RoL to lie about any of this. If he is the Miller he have no reason to lie. If he is scum he have all the reasons in the world to lie. He convince town that an SK is out there (even if there is not). Someone already mentioned the threat of the SK to town seeing as scum don't have alot of means to kill the SK. So a play like that from scum would move some focus from the scum team to the SK. The medic part is irrelevant as no medic would claim now anyway so we have no way to know is there is a medic. Having his gun stolen could be a way for him to now shoot today. Discussion during n0 was "let the Miller shoot" so if he couldn't shoot he had to come up with a way for him to be unable to shoot. (this last reason might also be why the scum team stole just his gun as mentioned earlier by others) For him to be the SK makes less sense. If he hadn't claimed a hit no one would think there was a SK making his job easier (well scum team would know I guess but they can't really do much without outing their GF). He still wouldn't be able to shoot during the day since he maybe shoot the smurf. All in all it comes down to if you believe his miller claim or not... I'm not convinced but at the same time it seems like a huge risk for a scum player to lie about that much.. What do you guys think? I feel like RoL have to die at some point even though he is a miller. There will always be suspicion regarding this whole n0/d1 thing. About gonzaw. He seems to spend most of n0 talking about how the game should play out. Mostly the Miller part. But then when a miller actually claim its not anything he want to focus on "I don't find him suspicious mostly because of the claim itself (I've never seen scum fake-claim Miller in my whole life, and I doubt I will)." He also continually states that he have no post to analize even though the game had been underway for 18 hours with 6-8 pages which I find scummy. Like he wants some leeway about analizing others. He also continue to talk about plans going in to d1 instead of spending time starting some analysis? On June 12 2012 17:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also this post is actually kinda bad and I'm surprised I'm the only one with a problem with it. Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 07:56 kitaman27 wrote: The biggest problem with setups where so many people have guns is the town's lack of organization. It eventually ends up in a trollfest, where townies shoot each other, while the scum team sits in the background without attracting much attention. If you are town, don't forget to submit your vote for a 48 hour day cycle. If you shoot five minutes into the game, you will be shot day two. If you shoot within the first 24 hours of a cycle, you will be shot the following cycle If you shoot without the town's consensus, you will be shot I don't care if you shoot a mafia player. If you break one of those three rules, you will be shot in return. I support a miller claim on day one. If they fail to claim on day one, then they get shot if they claim miller at any point after d1. Millers shouldn't claim night one as it assists the mafia team with blue sniping. It seems very unlikey that the mafia team has two godfather type roles. Based on the way the shot cooldown works, they would be able to day kill four consecutive days. Combined with the six night kills that come with their deaths and lynches, thats a 2:10 trade, assuming there isn't a SK or town night vig role. I like chaoser's plan of forcing certain players to shoot, but I wouldn't leave it up to them to decide their own target. By shooting early and often, the mafia godfather gets the most out of his role. We shouldn't allow a random player to shoot at will. Kita do you realize that the people shooting will most likely be townies? You're advocating for the death of lots of greens on the chance that you catch the gf or sk. I agree we need accountability but shooting people who step out of line like that isn't going to work. I made a post before this about holding ourselves accountable with I'll just repost here now: Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 06:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Can we agree right now to not go rogue and shoot without discussion? There needs to be some deliberation behind peoples shots. If everyone just goes rambo then we'll never actually get a chance to scumhunt. Discussion is the key. Perhaps that sounds a bit kumbaya, but you have to realize that if you shoot people just because they made an unauthorized shot you're probably going to hit a disgruntled townie. I'd also be interested in seeing you post more kita. I agree with you here MZ. Kita wants to punish players who have the biggest possibility of being townies. Other then that the post is very generic advice in his first post which is always a bitch to get done as scum. He basicly said nothing that all with that post that people shouldn't have realized on their own. | ||
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On June 12 2012 20:54 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 17:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also this post is actually kinda bad and I'm surprised I'm the only one with a problem with it. On June 12 2012 07:56 kitaman27 wrote: The biggest problem with setups where so many people have guns is the town's lack of organization. It eventually ends up in a trollfest, where townies shoot each other, while the scum team sits in the background without attracting much attention. If you are town, don't forget to submit your vote for a 48 hour day cycle. If you shoot five minutes into the game, you will be shot day two. If you shoot within the first 24 hours of a cycle, you will be shot the following cycle If you shoot without the town's consensus, you will be shot I don't care if you shoot a mafia player. If you break one of those three rules, you will be shot in return. I support a miller claim on day one. If they fail to claim on day one, then they get shot if they claim miller at any point after d1. Millers shouldn't claim night one as it assists the mafia team with blue sniping. It seems very unlikey that the mafia team has two godfather type roles. Based on the way the shot cooldown works, they would be able to day kill four consecutive days. Combined with the six night kills that come with their deaths and lynches, thats a 2:10 trade, assuming there isn't a SK or town night vig role. I like chaoser's plan of forcing certain players to shoot, but I wouldn't leave it up to them to decide their own target. By shooting early and often, the mafia godfather gets the most out of his role. We shouldn't allow a random player to shoot at will. Kita do you realize that the people shooting will most likely be townies? You're advocating for the death of lots of greens on the chance that you catch the gf or sk. I agree we need accountability but shooting people who step out of line like that isn't going to work. I made a post before this about holding ourselves accountable with I'll just repost here now: On June 12 2012 06:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Can we agree right now to not go rogue and shoot without discussion? There needs to be some deliberation behind peoples shots. If everyone just goes rambo then we'll never actually get a chance to scumhunt. Discussion is the key. Perhaps that sounds a bit kumbaya, but you have to realize that if you shoot people just because they made an unauthorized shot you're probably going to hit a disgruntled townie. I'd also be interested in seeing you post more kita. Well the difference is, Meapak, that yours was a tad wishy washy. The sentiment behind kitaman's post is clear. If town signals its ABSOLUTE INTENT to punish with the highest form of punishment, then it discourages rogue shooters. I'm fairly sure kita recognises your 'concerns', but the point is it discourages an anti-town mode of doing things. If you explicitly say, 'well, except in this case, or the result is this' then you weaken the sentiment. No? Marv, why are you talking on behalf of Kita? You might even say you are defending him. While I do not disagree with you points I find it funny that you know how Kita thinks... | ||
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In other news: I think MrZentor might be scum. Go look at his filter. He very clearly have been following the thread. On June 12 2012 05:26 MrZentor wrote: I never thought of that, Gonzaw. o.0 But he haven't really put any thought in what he have posted. He seems to jut be posting in order to increase his filter. He also seemed to get very defence for no appearrant reason during his only real response in the thread: On June 12 2012 02:30 MrZentor wrote: He was trying to copy my reason for being suspicious of Rastaban, but he confused Rastaban with chaoser. FAIL On June 12 2012 02:34 FreelanceSatan wrote: I just woke up bro. And im not trying to "copy your reason" im agreeing with it. highlighting it and supporting it. You dont like when people support your reads?? On June 12 2012 02:35 MrZentor wrote: There's nothing wrong with copying as long as you do it accurately and add on your own ideas. I have an irrational fear of being misquoted. >.< So any reads MrZentor? Anything? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [referance] + On June 12 2012 10:11 marvellosity wrote: Fairly likely he'd be GF yea. To toad: I agree totally with the mentality and actually came back to the thread to make an EBWOP about it. A townie miller would be well aware that claiming miller would arise suspicion and discussion. VE was a townie miller claiming day 1 recently and he openly admitted that he would be scrutinised for it. I don't see the townie mentality for multiple times casting suspicion on anyone wanting to think about the claim. He very specifically says there are no drawbacks in his claim post. No, townie miller would know that was a drawback and be upfront about it. | ||
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On June 12 2012 22:30 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 22:26 Dirkzor wrote: @Marv: You still think RoL is scum after what happened? + Show Spoiler [referance] + On June 12 2012 10:11 marvellosity wrote: Fairly likely he'd be GF yea. To toad: I agree totally with the mentality and actually came back to the thread to make an EBWOP about it. A townie miller would be well aware that claiming miller would arise suspicion and discussion. VE was a townie miller claiming day 1 recently and he openly admitted that he would be scrutinised for it. I don't see the townie mentality for multiple times casting suspicion on anyone wanting to think about the claim. He very specifically says there are no drawbacks in his claim post. No, townie miller would know that was a drawback and be upfront about it. You mean his gun apparently being taken away? Yes. And the hit and the medic protect. | ||
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On June 12 2012 23:17 MrZentor wrote: RoL is most likely miller, as I doubt the mafia would make up something like that; the only suspicious thing is that now he appears exactly like a normal mafia goon (appears red and can't shoot), we might want to kill him in the future if we don't kill anybody who has the gun stealing role. Originally, I was leaning toward Gonzaw being scum, but his posts have gotten more townie. However, he's still the most suspicious person, so I agree that we should have him shoot. If we can't find an optimal person to shoot, I would encourage him to shoot into risk.nuke, Kenpachi, and payl. Obviously we wouldn't allow him to choose who he shoots. I'm confused... You want to shoot Gonsaw as he is the most suspecion to you right now. But you also want to shoot one of the lurker if we fail to find an optimal person to shoot. Isn't gonsaw an optimal person if you find him scummy? Or are you just covering your ass in case we do end up shooting gonsaw and he flips scum so you can say "Yeah I was totally supporting that lynch!" | ||
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On June 12 2012 23:41 MrZentor wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 23:37 Dirkzor wrote: On June 12 2012 23:17 MrZentor wrote: RoL is most likely miller, as I doubt the mafia would make up something like that; the only suspicious thing is that now he appears exactly like a normal mafia goon (appears red and can't shoot), we might want to kill him in the future if we don't kill anybody who has the gun stealing role. Originally, I was leaning toward Gonzaw being scum, but his posts have gotten more townie. However, he's still the most suspicious person, so I agree that we should have him shoot. If we can't find an optimal person to shoot, I would encourage him to shoot into risk.nuke, Kenpachi, and payl. Obviously we wouldn't allow him to choose who he shoots. I'm confused... You want to shoot Gonsaw as he is the most suspecion to you right now. But you also want to shoot one of the lurker if we fail to find an optimal person to shoot. Isn't gonsaw an optimal person if you find him scummy? Or are you just covering your ass in case we do end up shooting gonsaw and he flips scum so you can say "Yeah I was totally supporting that lynch!" You misread what I said. I wanted to have Gonzaw shoot somebody else. Oh... Carry on.... | ||
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On June 13 2012 05:09 VisceraEyes wrote: By which obviously I mean I'm done posting - I'm still watching. EVER VIGILANT!!!!! Lurker... | ||
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On June 13 2012 04:55 Toadesstern wrote: RoL is the kind of player that lurks 47.9 hours just to ninja vote in the last 3 minnutes if I remember correctly. WBG was mafia together with him that game. Just saying, if he's not coming back we should have a #2 ready to shoot :p RoL will lurk forever. And constantly excuse why he havent posted while at the same time promising to do so. He does so as both town or mafia. I wouldn't wait around for him tbh. I don't get why gonsaw is so afraid of claiming his full role. Scum already know now that he is a blue (or their buddy). Whats the big difference if he is medic/doc/watcher.. I also don't get the 324 or whatever.. The only reasons I can think of is that he is having a hard time figuring out how to fake claim properly or feels like he is already outed as scum and is thus wasting our time. I really want him dead by now. I disagree with wiggles about having RoL to shoot. If he can or can't shoot does solve the problem that it comes down to if we believe his miller claim or not. If he shoots and actually kill someone he might be the GF. (most likely because why lie about all the gun stealing biz?) If he (tries to) shoot and no one dies we still don't know i he is a miller telling the truth or a lying scum goon. So all in all it doesn't matter. | ||
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I just feel like its wasting our time waiting around for RoL. He isn't the most active guy and is away for large periods of time usually... Maybe its just because I don't think he can shoot. Why lie about all that night action stuff if he is able to actually shoot. I can't fathom a scenario where anyone would take such risk? | ||
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While I think most of his post are made in a town-like fashion his switch regarding gonsaw did stand out. Below are 3 posts of his. They were made by rastaban in consecutive order.. On June 13 2012 00:32 rastaban wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2012 00:24 chaoser wrote: On June 13 2012 00:01 MrZentor wrote: Do you agree that Chaoser is scummy? I'm ok with gonzaw shooting me right now. Wow that's an incredibly bold claim. Are you that good at picking out scum, because I got a townie vibe so it is quite shocking for me to see someone so certain. Maybe I am being too sure of things I shouldn't be. I had him pegged as stupid Towney for the giant plan that failed due to not even reading the OP. I like to think that ROL is actually the miller so his defense of him seems like something mafia wouldn't due (sticking their neck out for someone else), especially after they apparently tried to hit last night (Missing KP and no one else claiming to have been hit). I haven't seen you give strong arguments for his guilt though(maybe I missed it)... are you swayed by Marv's reasoning or do you have your own? On June 13 2012 02:06 rastaban wrote: I say we have Gonzaw shoot payl. We find out if Gonzow has a gun and if he does, we off the single post Smurf. I have a feeling at least one if not more of the mafia are in the lurking crowd intentionally or not and it is causing confusion in the Mafia ranks. If gonzaw won't fire lets let chaoser kill him. On June 13 2012 03:24 rastaban wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2012 03:22 marvellosity wrote: On June 13 2012 03:20 wherebugsgo wrote: Nevermind on the supersoft bit. His most recent 2-3 posts make it far less likely. We should have Zentor shoot gonzaw. Very happy with this I concur with this statement. He goes from having a townie read on gonzaw -> wanting him to shoot or get shoot -> straight up killing him (after his claim to be unable to shoot) On June 13 2012 03:38 rastaban wrote: @gonzaw But the whole point is that you can't shoot. I thought you could shoot, so now that you can't and you have this many accusations on you it is time to kill you. Claim your role if you are town. The bolded part is also weird. Its not "I changed my read because you are unable to shoot". Its "many others think you are scum so I also want you dead". Its this setup equivelant of bandwagoning... | ||
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On June 13 2012 09:25 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2012 09:05 marvellosity wrote: So... I'll leave everyone else to catch the scum now. Sound good? Just pick yourself up and go at it again. It's not like one mistake means the end of the game. What chaoser said basicly. So supersoft is most likely town-aligned. (There might be a framer but the chance of him being on supersoft are very low) I don't really understand the replacements? Did they ask for replacement or what? I'm guessing wbg did since he ended with "good luck" or something. But kita posts like he want to continue? Also kenpachi havent posted at all since early n0. | ||
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Sorry kita! Still doesn't make sense with Kenpachi... | ||
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On June 13 2012 23:12 Toadesstern wrote: Oh just a thing I realized yesterday: WBG has the same alignment as VE has and vice versa. Whatever that maens. How so? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + What the hell... Then I'll just write in danish... This seems super silly... any rules being broken here? | ||
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On June 14 2012 03:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Ja, det pauser regler. Også det er ubetænksom. Dies gilt auch für diejenigen sprechen Deutsch. Keep it in the site-native tongue boys. Google translate? =) The danish was "almost" correct. | ||
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First of, lets kill scum. I present: MrZentor! I was on to him early on: read here But after that it have just gotten worse. On June 12 2012 23:40 MrZentor wrote: Show nested quote + If you really want to shoot me or something at least wait 24 hours into D1 so you don't waste the whole day and so we can put some sense into you. His insistence on waiting until most of the day passes before shooting. Show nested quote + I personally don't find people's opinion on certain plans (or policy lynches, etc) alignment telling at all. So no matter how much someone talks and talks about plans, I can't analyze their alignment based on their behaviour, if everybody else is discussing plans as well. This seems like the genuine thing a mafia wouldn't say. + Show Spoiler + What if all of us claim if we have a gun to shoot or not? Like said before, most blue roles are not that strong (the good ones don't know their sanity); but the VT/Miller roles are the strongest since they control the "lynch", and are our only way to win this game (other than a random vigilante out there). I think they did it like this: 1)Everybody claims if they have a gun or not 2)The people that claimed they have a gun, take turns each day to shoot the most scummy one from the pool of the guys that don't have a gun Here we can use that "random thingy" site Palmar made for iGrok's game (if someone's good enough to copy the script and shit, maybe make it public): Each day we make a list of all the people that claimed they have a gun, and randomize it. That way we randomly choose who to shoot from that list. That way mafia can't try to fake-claim that they have a gun and manipulate their way to never shoot at all, because the process of choosing who to shoot is random so if it's their turn to shoot they can't get away with it (this will disencourage scum fake-claiming they have a gun). This is the beauty from the plan: Yes, all the VTs/Millers will be outed for SK/scum, and so will the blues.... ...however the blues will be mostly intact and survive the whole game. Why? Because in the pool of blues most of the scum (goon and RBers, etc) lurk. If they shoot blues at night, that pool is reduced so they have more chances of being shot at day. Not only that, but because of what I said earlier they'll most likely shoot VTs (check that post I made). So blues are free to make their actions at night (not all of them can be RBed, plus they shouldn't claim their roles either) to help us with what we can, while we systematically kill those scum in their group. Once we kill all scum in the "blue" group (3 of them right?), we are set, leave the rest of those blues alone and take a look at the VT/Miller claims to get the GF and the SK. Since only non-gunners will get shot at day, and only gunners will get shot at night by scum, the blues in the non-gunners group can use: 1)Their medic saves on the gunners 2)Their watcher/tracker/cop checks on the gunners 1)Because those are the only ones getting shot at night, so they have a greater chance to save them 2)Because once all the scum from the non-gunners are killed, we need to find the SK/GF. If blues check those players, then it's more likely they can find the SK/GF for us so we have it easier later. That was the way it would work in the 1st game. Now that I think about it the "SK or scum can steal guns at night" thing if RoL says the truth can change it a little bit What do you guys think? Any way to improve it if it's worth it? Or is it unworthy? This is an excellent plan, which I believe would give town a great chance of winning; I doubt a mafia would suggest it. Also, something I found along the way. Show nested quote + Pretty sure 1) We'll run out of things to say or just go in circles 2) Ace will probably put a limit on like 48 hours and then we just "no shot" and move straight to night 3) Someone will probably get trigger happy and shoot anyway. I want gonzaw to shoot. We already had 24 hours of discussion since night 0 happened, we've got our suspicions. Let's go gonzaw, chop chop. Chaoser wanted Gonzaw to shoot at dawn, effectively killing 24 hours of discussion. That's exactly what scum would want to happen. In this post he already starts to distance himself from any potential Gonzaw death (because he knew he was town). Calling gonzaw plan "This seems like the genuine thing a mafia wouldn't say." is bullcrap since scum always come up with plans so we discuss the plan instead of actaul scumhunting. Its also easy to make it look like you are contributing when posting plans and talking about said plans. (See RoL in storm) He also starts a small "Chaoser is scum" notion throughout the post because chaoser is pressuring gonzaw saying he should shoot now. But chaoser had a pretty legit reason: On June 12 2012 13:31 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + (Unless you want him to shoot right away as a proof of his possible towny-ness, or at least gun ownership, while effectively modkilling the SK if we've understood right how the role works?) Bingo. I think he's scummy and also unlikely to be SK and so why not kill two birds with one stone. So no reason for zentor to call chaoser scum. Getting the SK so early because of technical rules would have been great at the same time pressuring someone chaoser thought was scum. And note that Chaoser flipped town. Also note that chaoser posts was before any claim from RoL being shot and saved thus making his logic quite good. + Show Spoiler [Zentor trying to get a chaoser wagon g…] + On June 12 2012 23:46 MrZentor wrote: Gonzaw should shoot chaoser. On June 12 2012 23:52 MrZentor wrote: Chaoser said that he didn't want to wait 24 hours and that he wanted Gonzaw to shoot a few minutes after the day post. Check your facts. On June 13 2012 00:01 MrZentor wrote: Do you agree that Chaoser is scummy? Then Gonzaw gets shot. Kita comes in and calls us all idiots for killing him:+ Show Spoiler [Kita's post for reference] + On June 13 2012 10:50 kitaman27 wrote: I was writing up a nice long post about how gonzaw should be the last person we should shoot and I got ninja'd by like 3 min. -_- Why shoot the claimed cop day one when he could either tie up the roleblocker in a watcher setup, take a night hit, or provide an additional check. You can all yell at me for complaining after the flip, but that's a poor decision. I'll stop by tomorrow evening before the night post with thoughts for day two. On June 13 2012 12:07 MrZentor wrote: I don't see how anybody could have thought Gonzaw was scum after that claim. The balls of steel was the sort of detail which sum doesn't have the time or energy to fabricate. Thats some weak ass reasoning as to why killing gonzaw was stupid? "lolz why didn't you idiots beleive him? He wrote balls of steel!" (<-- is my own interpretation) I think toad also touched on why this is stupid. Scum is sometimes given fake roleclaims that look like they were made by the host. So the BoS thing is total irrelevant. But look of it connects with Zentor distancing him from a townie flipping gonzaw. After chaoser flipped town Zentor needed someone new to push as scum. Why not go back to one already being discussed and in focus? RoL! With this: On June 14 2012 11:17 MrZentor wrote: RoL talked about all the downsides of claiming millers, then claimed to be a miller. + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2012 09:50 marvellosity wrote: gonzaw, you've just made me read all the setup speculation on Millers. Damn thee. There is so much I do not like about the claim. Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 04:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright, finished reading. Any plan that involves millers and role checking is quite stupid. There are so many things that can interfere with proper results that it hinges on nothing. Anyone advocating some sort of role centric plan needs to shut up. It won't work, we don't even know if all the roles in the OP are the only roles in the game, but even from what we can tell it is still a crap shoot and it could only get worse. I agree with what Chaoser said. If we think someone is scummy, we make them shoot who they think are scummy. If they can't shoot and can't explain themselves then we just kill them. Problem solved. On the off chance the DT figures out his sanity and claims to have found someone a Miller claim CANNOT absolve them. A DT will only get a red check back on non GF roles if his sanity is known. The non GF roles cannot shoot, so they would need to shoot to prove they are a Miller. That claim can literally never work. There is only one actual benefit of a Miller claiming in this set up. Hypothetically its day 5, we need to kill a mafia and the DT claims knowing his sanity and has a red check on someone. Assuming that person has NEVER shot during the day then he can now shoot to prove that he is not scum but a Miller. There is no way scum can emulate that play to the point where it would help a Miller to claim earlier on. The only thing that this helps is preventing a cop who knows there alignment to claiming publicly in that one very niche scenario. In that scenario the N1 Miller claim would save the cop from going public. That is the only benefit. So does that single benefit justify having someone claim Miller? I can't see why someone would ever get shit for claiming Miller. The only mafia benefit to claiming Miller would be to avoid a RC but the only one who can do that is the GF who would get outed by a DT check and would prefer to get DT checked anyway. The same thing applies to SK's. Anyone faking Miller would eventually just get outed by some means and its not worth it. So I guess there is only that one benefit, but there is no real drawback besides people wasting time speculating on why someone claimed Miller. But hey, since I outlined all the reasons above and there are no true drawbacks, might as well claim that I'm a Miller. Green text: Outlines in some depth how little benefit there is to Miller claiming in this setup. He calls the benefit a 'very niche' scenario. Red text: Having outlined why it's barely beneficial if at all to claim Miller, he leaps into categorically saying no-one should give miller claims any shit. Claims at the end he 'outlined all the reasons'. All the reasons? He clarified himself it would only help in a 'very niche scenario'. What gives? He then says mafia have no reason to fakeclaim miller. He's actively pushing this to discredit the notion. Blue text: Also see post below, but this looks like an attempt to halt any discussion of his miller claim. Because we're so busy on Night 0, right? Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 06:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On June 12 2012 04:55 FreelanceSatan wrote: On June 12 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote: Isn't it Night 0? As in mafia get to do night kills if they want to? why did RoL claim miller already... yeah i didnt even think about that..looks like he jumped the gun a bit there.. what are the chances the mafia would want to shoot him instead of shooting for blues tho? It's not really a big deal. Half the reason I considered not claiming at all was just because I didn't think it was worth considering whether or not I was a Miller. I am sure if I continue being alive they will try to make me suspciious because of that. Or killing me, whatever. There is a chance that a medic could be on me because I claimed and they would be wasting their first hit. There is a number of things they have to take into account. Ultimately, I'm not really worried and whether I die or not its not that big of a deal. Again with the blue text, pushing the idea that talking about his claim is a bad thing. To the bold and underlined: twice he says his claim is not a big deal. More language in the middle with 'or killing me, whatever'. Basically totally flippant and acting unconcerned about it. Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 06:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On June 12 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote: On June 12 2012 04:55 FreelanceSatan wrote: On June 12 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote: Isn't it Night 0? As in mafia get to do night kills if they want to? why did RoL claim miller already... yeah i didnt even think about that..looks like he jumped the gun a bit there.. what are the chances the mafia would want to shoot him instead of shooting for blues tho? about 0. I actually thought there's no way that's really a claim because that would be stupid. Maybe it's a trick to survive d0? :p Let's start the wifom machine lol. And here comes that suspicion thing I was talking about. It's the only downside I perceived of claiming regardless of timing. Idiots will always over-analyze shit for no reason. However that wasn't something I could articulate without just saying people are dumb and we can't work around them being suspicious of a miller claim regardless of how illogical it is for any non-town person to do it. Look at the change in tone! From his original claim with his "hey, I guess I'll claim miller" casual attitude and subsequent post with the 'whatevers' and 'it's not a big deal' he fucking jumps down Toad's throat. Now he's again pushing the idea that even talking about his claim is a bad thing. He admits here that he forsaw people being suspicious of the claim. Yet in his original post, the only 'benefit' he saw was with a very niche day 5 cop scenario. RoL said elsewhere in his filter that we should be working off behavioural analysis. I agree. I'm not questioning the claim because he claimed Miller, I'm questioning how he's gone about it. Scum. He claimed to have his gun taken away, which is really suspicious as it sets him up to look exactly like a mafia goon (appears red and can't shoot), and it seems improbable that either mafia or sk would have this power. Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 13:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Well I was shot last night but survived. I also had my gun taken away which is quite interesting. These things coupled with the fact that he hasn't been around for the entire night makes me doubt his claim. Would anybody else care to comment? Zentor didn't actually write anything new about this. Well maybe the fact that RoL wasn't active during the night. Thats the only thing that have changed since Zentor wrote this: On June 12 2012 23:17 MrZentor wrote: RoL is most likely miller, as I doubt the mafia would make up something like that; the only suspicious thing is that now he appears exactly like a normal mafia goon (appears red and can't shoot), we might want to kill him in the future if we don't kill anybody who has the gun stealing role. Originally, I was leaning toward Gonzaw being scum, but his posts have gotten more townie. However, he's still the most suspicious person, so I agree that we should have him shoot. If we can't find an optimal person to shoot, I would encourage him to shoot into risk.nuke, Kenpachi, and payl. Obviously we wouldn't allow him to choose who he shoots. It doesn't make sense that Zentor should change his opinion about RoL for no reason at all. During the last part of this night Zentor also used the known scum tactic call: "No I don't! But he did! Look!" On June 14 2012 12:14 MrZentor wrote: I haven't been lurking for days. -.- If you want to find somebody who has been lurking for days, look at Kenpachi. "I'm not lurking but kenpachi is!" On June 14 2012 12:36 MrZentor wrote: It means he can't shoot for one day. And MZ, how is pointing out how lurky RoL has been and how that's terribly suspicious behavior for a person who claimed miller not original? Speaking of original content, I'd like some from you. Look at your last posts from the night. + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2012 12:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Check it out, Kita AND zentor show up to tell us how dumb we are. Would have been just snazzy if you gentleman had actually been around during the day. On June 14 2012 04:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Тебе надо говорит по-английский On June 14 2012 05:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Show nested quote + On June 14 2012 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 14 2012 04:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Тебе надо говорит по-английский lol MZ any thoughts you wanna share? atm I'm at school getting ready for my last final so no lol. I still wanna kill zentor and the rastaban case looks decent from what I can tell. On June 14 2012 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Show nested quote + On June 14 2012 11:17 MrZentor wrote: RoL talked about all the downsides of claiming millers, then claimed to be a miller. + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2012 09:50 marvellosity wrote: gonzaw, you've just made me read all the setup speculation on Millers. Damn thee. There is so much I do not like about the claim. Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 04:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright, finished reading. Any plan that involves millers and role checking is quite stupid. There are so many things that can interfere with proper results that it hinges on nothing. Anyone advocating some sort of role centric plan needs to shut up. It won't work, we don't even know if all the roles in the OP are the only roles in the game, but even from what we can tell it is still a crap shoot and it could only get worse. I agree with what Chaoser said. If we think someone is scummy, we make them shoot who they think are scummy. If they can't shoot and can't explain themselves then we just kill them. Problem solved. On the off chance the DT figures out his sanity and claims to have found someone a Miller claim CANNOT absolve them. A DT will only get a red check back on non GF roles if his sanity is known. The non GF roles cannot shoot, so they would need to shoot to prove they are a Miller. That claim can literally never work. There is only one actual benefit of a Miller claiming in this set up. Hypothetically its day 5, we need to kill a mafia and the DT claims knowing his sanity and has a red check on someone. Assuming that person has NEVER shot during the day then he can now shoot to prove that he is not scum but a Miller. There is no way scum can emulate that play to the point where it would help a Miller to claim earlier on. The only thing that this helps is preventing a cop who knows there alignment to claiming publicly in that one very niche scenario. In that scenario the N1 Miller claim would save the cop from going public. That is the only benefit. So does that single benefit justify having someone claim Miller? I can't see why someone would ever get shit for claiming Miller. The only mafia benefit to claiming Miller would be to avoid a RC but the only one who can do that is the GF who would get outed by a DT check and would prefer to get DT checked anyway. The same thing applies to SK's. Anyone faking Miller would eventually just get outed by some means and its not worth it. So I guess there is only that one benefit, but there is no real drawback besides people wasting time speculating on why someone claimed Miller. But hey, since I outlined all the reasons above and there are no true drawbacks, might as well claim that I'm a Miller. Green text: Outlines in some depth how little benefit there is to Miller claiming in this setup. He calls the benefit a 'very niche' scenario. Red text: Having outlined why it's barely beneficial if at all to claim Miller, he leaps into categorically saying no-one should give miller claims any shit. Claims at the end he 'outlined all the reasons'. All the reasons? He clarified himself it would only help in a 'very niche scenario'. What gives? He then says mafia have no reason to fakeclaim miller. He's actively pushing this to discredit the notion. Blue text: Also see post below, but this looks like an attempt to halt any discussion of his miller claim. Because we're so busy on Night 0, right? Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 06:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On June 12 2012 04:55 FreelanceSatan wrote: On June 12 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote: Isn't it Night 0? As in mafia get to do night kills if they want to? why did RoL claim miller already... yeah i didnt even think about that..looks like he jumped the gun a bit there.. what are the chances the mafia would want to shoot him instead of shooting for blues tho? It's not really a big deal. Half the reason I considered not claiming at all was just because I didn't think it was worth considering whether or not I was a Miller. I am sure if I continue being alive they will try to make me suspciious because of that. Or killing me, whatever. There is a chance that a medic could be on me because I claimed and they would be wasting their first hit. There is a number of things they have to take into account. Ultimately, I'm not really worried and whether I die or not its not that big of a deal. Again with the blue text, pushing the idea that talking about his claim is a bad thing. To the bold and underlined: twice he says his claim is not a big deal. More language in the middle with 'or killing me, whatever'. Basically totally flippant and acting unconcerned about it. Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 06:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On June 12 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote: On June 12 2012 04:55 FreelanceSatan wrote: On June 12 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote: Isn't it Night 0? As in mafia get to do night kills if they want to? why did RoL claim miller already... yeah i didnt even think about that..looks like he jumped the gun a bit there.. what are the chances the mafia would want to shoot him instead of shooting for blues tho? about 0. I actually thought there's no way that's really a claim because that would be stupid. Maybe it's a trick to survive d0? :p Let's start the wifom machine lol. And here comes that suspicion thing I was talking about. It's the only downside I perceived of claiming regardless of timing. Idiots will always over-analyze shit for no reason. However that wasn't something I could articulate without just saying people are dumb and we can't work around them being suspicious of a miller claim regardless of how illogical it is for any non-town person to do it. Look at the change in tone! From his original claim with his "hey, I guess I'll claim miller" casual attitude and subsequent post with the 'whatevers' and 'it's not a big deal' he fucking jumps down Toad's throat. Now he's again pushing the idea that even talking about his claim is a bad thing. He admits here that he forsaw people being suspicious of the claim. Yet in his original post, the only 'benefit' he saw was with a very niche day 5 cop scenario. RoL said elsewhere in his filter that we should be working off behavioural analysis. I agree. I'm not questioning the claim because he claimed Miller, I'm questioning how he's gone about it. Scum. He claimed to have his gun taken away, which is really suspicious as it sets him up to look exactly like a mafia goon (appears red and can't shoot), and it seems improbable that either mafia or sk would have this power. On June 12 2012 13:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Well I was shot last night but survived. I also had my gun taken away which is quite interesting. These things coupled with the fact that he hasn't been around for the entire night makes me doubt his claim. Would anybody else care to comment? So zentor you've been lurking for days and when you come back this is what you decide to comment on? ALSO NO MORE FINALS!!! On June 14 2012 12:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: To clarify that last post, nicely done commenting on something that has been discussed to death. What about rastaban? 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On June 14 2012 14:55 supersoft wrote: actually i think a mass roleclaim would be quite beneficial. discuss. No? How is the any different from the plan that gonzaw proposed. You out the blues. Some scum will fakeclaim they are blue and some will fakeclaim they are VT. We have to get lucky in order to pressure the right scum amoung the VT claimers to catch them while most likely shooting into our own blues. That and giving all the information to the SK/scum. Info like "How many VT's are left" "which type of blues are left" That and the GF will be uncatchable through a mass claim... | ||
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At work so I'll try to write it again fast... Ceph: I like the point about him thnking about the SK so much. Seems weird for a townie to do that... Other then that he is lurking and trying not to get noticed - so its like the 4-5 other players doing the same this game. He can go die for all I care since he isn't helping us in anyway. I just got a much bigger scumread on Zentor! I want Kita and Wiggles to post more! I know the are able and should do just that! Neither have really produced anything that have helped us. I expected more from just those 2. (I would include MZ but I havent played with him before so I don't know how he plays) Rastaban: I've commented on your case (albeit fast and short) now please respond to mine! | ||
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"No you shoot" "No you!" "Nope... You!" I'm sure Ace is laughing if he is not screaming at us for the bad play going on... Good aim Supersoft but I dislike your method. Had you not hit a red you would have thrown this town into chaos. I was pretty sure Zentor was scum but now not so much. Zentor and Rastaban both got mentioned by Talis in the end... One of them as scum? Seeing as Talis was set on getting Zentor shoot I'm putting my money on Rastaban... (Note to self: Read his filter again later!) Toad came out of the night looking really bad. Not because he defended Talis in anyway. It was more the "I take no stance on him" kinda way. On June 15 2012 07:50 Toadesstern wrote: Talis: Honestly no idea. I just played with him in PYP and we were both mafia. He's more confident than he was in PYP imo. I'd say a null overall because I've got vibes in both directions so far. On June 15 2012 08:09 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On June 15 2012 08:06 supersoft wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340480&user=32774 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340727&user=32774 Do you guys see the similarity of his openingpost? the thing is that he played pro-town as mafia in PYP. Which means you're accusing him to play pro-town and willing to lynch him on that idea? I'm pretty sure he would have done the same post as town in PYP and I'd rather take a look what wether or not he's explaining himself when taking stances. On June 15 2012 08:34 Toadesstern wrote: I'm never defended talis. I said what you said about him is a nulltell... I said I want to give kita another day because of his internet troubles, while calling him a decent shot. That's defending kita? Well if you think it's talis + me + payl how about we end this and I shoot payl? I wouldn't mind seeing Toad dead... I still also think we have a scum amoungh the lurker if the not the SK aswell. | ||
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On June 15 2012 13:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show nested quote + On June 14 2012 09:00 talismania wrote: Ok I re-read. Gonzaw had the right idea - this is the weirdest contradiction in the whole thread: On June 12 2012 13:38 rastaban wrote: On June 12 2012 13:36 wherebugsgo wrote: If we don't have a target for gonzaw to shoot by, say, the 20 hour mark into the day, I say we should shoot gonzaw. I volunteer to be that person. If anyone shoots before that time I say we kill them tomorrow. I support this! Allow me to repost one of the most coherent post made in this whole thread: On June 12 2012 07:56 kitaman27 wrote: The biggest problem with setups where so many people have guns is the town's lack of organization. It eventually ends up in a trollfest, where townies shoot each other, while the scum team sits in the background without attracting much attention. If you are town, don't forget to submit your vote for a 48 hour day cycle. If you shoot five minutes into the game, you will be shot day two. If you shoot within the first If you shoot without the town's consensus, you will be shot I don't care if you shoot a mafia player. If you break one of those three rules, you will be shot in return. I support a miller claim on day one. If they fail to claim on day one, then they get shot if they claim miller at any point after d1. Millers shouldn't claim night one as it assists the mafia team with blue sniping. It seems very unlikey that the mafia team has two godfather type roles. Based on the way the shot cooldown works, they would be able to day kill four consecutive days. Combined with the six night kills that come with their deaths and lynches, thats a 2:10 trade, assuming there isn't a SK or town night vig role. I like chaoser's plan of forcing certain players to shoot, but I wouldn't leave it up to them to decide their own target. By shooting early and often, the mafia godfather gets the most out of his role. We shouldn't allow a random player to shoot at will. Everyone pushing for an early shot right now is incredibly scummy, it is in towns best interest to not shoot immediately until we can review and make an informed post. There are a lot of people who still need to contribute making only 1 liners or no video posts, they need to start posting CONTENT. On June 12 2012 22:40 rastaban wrote: The following People need to post, they are very inactive, and if they have said anything it is only a few one liners. risk.nuke Kenpachi payl gonzaw I don't see him for mafia, but I don't have a problem with making him shoot someone else if it will lessen the distracting discussion on him. So far the biggest arguments against him have been that he supported ROL and that he claimed He hadn't seen a Mafia fake a miller claim before. To me he doesn't seem scum at all, and most of the case is hinged on defending ROL, If ROL is really a miller then all the discussion seems moot. ROL Controversy, We still have no other Millers claiming, and until we get some other contenders I am very inclined to believe ROL. There should have been 2 hits last night (mafia & SK), and only 1 went down. Unless someone else claims to have been protected I see no reason to disbelieve this. I lean towards an SK 1 shot power as if it is reuseable it would be way over powered, I think we keep an eye on him and see how things progress. If the Mafia tried to shoot him, and an SK tried to remove the gun, then I think we should hold off on killing him for a bit since there must be a reason so many people tried to hit him last night. Again if more Millers come forward then I agree we should re-evaluate the claim but for now I think his play seems town and we should hold off a final judgment for him. Meapak_Ziphh, your filter looked really bad last night tons of filler and no posts contributing to discussion, but you seem to be posting more like your normal self today. Mind explaining what was going on? I didn't even realize when I skimmed the thread the first time that it went in this order too. First he was for wbg shooting gonzaw, then he was "not really seeing him as mafia" (paraphrase) and saying that "he doesn't seem scum at all". I thought it had gone in the other direction, but this way is just plain strange. More telling is the composition of the first post. He starts with the "I agree with this" and then it's like in his head he went "oh crap I can't just make a post that only says that" and added a bunch of meaningless filler with classic exhorting town to action stuff. The only actionable thing that post does is support the wbg plan, the rest is fluff. So Rastaban is not mafia. Medics and Mafia can play with that information as they will. You can't really do that RoL. Rastaban had already been called out on that by myself and others (atleast VE aswell). It might have been a bus. Other then that Talis only mention rastaban when he want him to shoot Zentor and in his final post calling zentor and Rastaban scum - again could be bus? | ||
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June 15 2012 14:25 GMT
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On June 15 2012 23:16 Toadesstern wrote: Well talis flipped mafia. I'm still a normal VT, what Supersoft did was still retarded, Supersoft still has not answered a single question about "why" he did that. Not a single one and I asked him about 3 times. Marv asked him about 3 times as well. He just does what he does. He hit a mafia so I guess he's just a jerk doing whatever he wants without explaining a thing. Or is could be a superbus! =) | ||
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June 15 2012 21:41 GMT
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On June 16 2012 02:47 Toadesstern wrote: What happened yesterday:
Am I really the only one who fails to understand the logic here? Also so far noone (except for Zentor who did the most ridiculous "case" I've ever seen) explained why I am mafia. Well and Supersoft said I am GF because I think Talis and Payl are mafia, because that's clearly the reasonable explanation here. This doesn't add up with what you actually wrote during the end of d2.
The way you are presenting the end of day 2 doesn't align with what actually happened... And that is SUPER scummy! The closest thing you come to calling Talis scum is this: On June 15 2012 08:20 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On June 15 2012 08:11 supersoft wrote: he's not really playing protown this game... he's like a neutral commentator who just farms the easypoints. Like that hint of gonzaws greencheck on me the greencheck on you is totally wayne because gonzaws sanity isn't even clear. But yeah it's standing a little aside. He came up with that idea of everyone doing a case each circle and said he'll do that no matter what. I can't see that yet. Seems like he's to lazy to do it which I take for a mafiatreat, especially if suggested to do a case every cycle earlier. That's what I'm talking about. What you pointed out is a null-tell about him because I'm pretty sure he'd do a post like that either way. The fact that he hasn't done something so far however does look like a mafia. But you never actually called him scum. You used words like "mafiatreat" and "it's standing a little aside". If you are town Toad why are you lying about your own actions and what you said? It makes absolutely no sense to me. | ||
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June 15 2012 21:50 GMT
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June 15 2012 22:01 GMT
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I wasn't in the game and haven't read it. Only the first post to compare as supersoft asked. Talis' post was _ingame_ and thus worth reading to find his alignment. You can argue that Talis' post could have been made as both town or mafia - but is was still an INGAME post. Not pregame like you state continiously. And no I'm not calling you a liar because of the post comparing. I'm calling you aliar because you say you called Talis scum when you in fact did not. You called him a nullread and the later used soft roundabout ways of calling him scum. | ||
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June 15 2012 22:03 GMT
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June 15 2012 22:04 GMT
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June 16 2012 16:01 GMT
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MZ have not acted scummy (Before the kill today). He was one of my townreads actually =/ This confuses me a bit... I'm not sure we can let MZ get away with this. So shooting him seems like a good plan. We do however need to consider if he is not the GF (Or any other kind of day shooting scum). If MZ for some reason flip town, we will loose... So we better be sure that he is scum. Fast math: After this night 11 left: 1 sk 3 scum 7 town After day 4. MZ dies and isnt scum/sk 10 left: 1 SK 3 Scum 6 town After Night 4: 8 left: 1 SK 3 Scum 4 town. And town loose. This is of course worst case. We might get a medic save, the SK hits scum or scum kill the SK. So we either have to be sure MZ is scum or hope that the SK hits scum with his NK. | ||
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June 16 2012 16:03 GMT
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June 17 2012 10:33 GMT
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I'm trying to catch up and re-reading furiously now. The whole storyline after MZ shot SS is weird. Kita, who have been almost non-existant during the game suddenly became the most vocal to tell everyone how scummy MZ was and that we should all kill him. It just seem weird that Kita suddenly is more active then he have been the rest of the game... Combine it with one of SS latest post: On June 16 2012 10:05 supersoft wrote: kita and especially wiggles are not allowed to shoot on my paper right now. :-( And please don't shoot before 00:00 tomorrow. I need some time to think about some things. + Don't panic. Noone of these dudes in here has the courage to shoot you before that timestamp. Where he was mentioning Kita. Maybe Kita was bussing the living shit out of MZ. I think Kita is the guy to kill tomorrow. He have been absent for large periods of time during this game and promised us post left and right. He haven't delivered and then come in calling for MZ's head. He didn't pull the trigger though (maybe RoL beat him to it) and we have no evidence he actually can shoot. Kita also didnt seem in any way upset about how the day ended with no discussion: On June 17 2012 13:20 kitaman27 wrote: Another quality day cycle. :D I'm also suspicious of Layabout. He went from: On June 16 2012 22:02 layabout wrote: Just because the shot will not happen today doesn't mean we can't discuss and decide what it is. We could even decide a shot and then take it at the very start of the day (so we would effectively be in the same place we would have been if MZ hadn't shot but minus 1 townie.) We have to shoot MZ. To: On June 17 2012 09:25 layabout wrote: I think we should make use of the daytime before shooting. I doubt that Meapak is a godfather. + Show Spoiler + I think it has already been said but talismania's role makes the existence of a godfather role very unlikely (although set-up speculation and trying to second guess the host is a little dodgy). When you consider the power of the godfather role one can't help but feel that Meapak being a godfather would be absurd.( A godfather can daykill town to end the day and use their nightkill.) I doubt that Meapak is the SK. + Show Spoiler + If there was no medic protect then i fail to see why Meapak would do what he did as an SK. If no one claims a medic protect then it is unlikely that he is an SK. If that is the case then Meapak is probably town. + Show Spoiler + His shot was reckless and recklessness is more of a town trait than a mafia one This is because mafia often feel like have to act carefully and think things through thoroughly before acting So first he was "Yes lets kill him" and then defending MZ later on. And no response after MZ flipped. He also pushed for a zentor lynch early on (same as Talis and MZ). Payl and Kenpachi are also suspect still. Witnin these 4 I think we will find the SK and the last scum. If I die you know my scumlist. | ||
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June 18 2012 08:26 GMT
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Reason for replacement: As I wrote pregame I'm going to Prague to drink for the next 5 days... I'm leaving in a few hours so if you want anything answered by me and not my replacement please ask soon. To Ace: I'll continue to play until I see I'm replaced. I'll try to check from Prague but I can't make any promises. | ||
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June 23 2012 08:15 GMT
#1357
On June 19 2012 01:31 payl wrote: I will make the assumption that sk cannot shoot both day/night - that would be grossly unfair - we have had two deaths every night except for n0 (where rol claimed hit) and n2 (where only mr wiggles died) Two things I want today - before anyone shoots, give target of shot a chance to claim and defend himself - if someone states they want to shoot you and you have a gun, do not immediately go ahead and shoot that person - that other player could possibly be misguided town rather than scum trying to pull a quick one Obviously, nobody shoots rol. And rol should not be the shooter, we already know that he can shoot. Since I expect the rest of you to try to draw conclusions based on gun claim information, I will now claim to be able to shoot. Since my claim is the latest, and arguably least trustworthy in this respect, I should be the actual shooter today. I will choose a tenative target to shoot in awhile. Here's what we have: rol has fired his gun zealos, layabout, kenpachi, toads, payl claim to have guns dirkzor, mrzentor have not claimed guns I'd like to note that if we have a watcher or any other blue, then at least one player claiming to have a gun (that can shoot during the day) is lying. Note to self: Whoever claims to have a gun most likely have a gun. GG guys. I'm sorry I couldn't be here in the end (Just landed in Copenhagen airport 3 hours ago). It was a really good setup. The play however wasnt that impressive. The SK role is perfect for Zentor since everyone just thought he was bad... :D Mafia QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/HcF46KNuKSW | ||
Dirkzor
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June 24 2012 08:22 GMT
#1369
But it was still funny as hell | ||
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