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On June 15 2012 08:11 supersoft wrote:
he's not really playing protown this game... he's like a neutral commentator who just farms the easypoints. Like that hint of gonzaws greencheck on me
the greencheck on you is totally wayne because gonzaws sanity isn't even clear. But yeah it's standing a little aside.
He came up with that idea of everyone doing a case each circle and said he'll do that no matter what.
I can't see that yet. Seems like he's to lazy to do it which I take for a mafiatreat, especially if suggested to do a case every cycle earlier.
That's what I'm talking about. What you pointed out is a null-tell about him because I'm pretty sure he'd do a post like that either way. The fact that he hasn't done something so far however does look like a mafia.
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I'm never defended talis. I said what you said about him is a nulltell...
I said I want to give kita another day because of his internet troubles, while calling him a decent shot. That's defending kita?
Well if you think it's talis + me + payl how about we end this and I shoot payl?
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MZ, should I shoot payl or zentor?
Not trusting Supersoft 
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I'd actually rather see supersoft being shot right now
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I really don't like posts like this:
On June 13 2012 08:47 supersoft wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I actually wasn't anymore :D I am afraid now... But i really coulnd't find a superior target...
That's why I was not sure about Supersoft yesterday anymore although he was looking townish earlier on.
It's also the reason I don't like Zentor, he basicly did a post like that as well just rubbing it more into peoples faces, which actually makes Supersoft look worse than Zentor because scum usually go for the soft way.
I'd like to have an answer on that one Supersoft because it's happening AGAIN:
On June 15 2012 08:03 Toadesstern wrote:
I find it quite troublesome that you're telling us not to shoot payl as well. You told me an hour ago to just shoot already so that we can go to sleep. What has changed? What would have happened if I just did what you told me to do and just shoot?
Were you convinced I would not shoot and wait and this was all just a great plan?
That's really giving me some thoughts right now.
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why are you shooting him out of us 3? Why did you not shoot me? Why did you not shoot payle instead who we both apparently agree to be mafia and you even call him the bus I'm doing.
This makes no sense dude
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Supersoft is mafia with Payl, ezpz
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You told everyone to shoot payl and if in case of refusal you'd shoot them instead. That's the big scheme for this game.
You told me multiple times to just shoot already 3 hours earlie because we don't need more time. What would have happened if I had shot? Why did you tell me to just shoot when you apparently think talis and I am better hits than payl. Why did you not shoot if you thought payl is the best hit?
Why did you shoot talis instead of me and payl when I am "clearly" the GF and payl is "our" bus? You shot the weakest link in your argumentation and everything falls apart if I'm not GF and not defending talis or not bussing payl, yet instead of shooting the link that holds your theory together you shot talis because I somewhat agreed that that he's scummy, just not for the reason you pointed out?
This makes no sense at all. I'd say you're pressuring everyone so hardcore to shoot because you want them to fail under pressure. I'd say you're hoping that people do the reasonable thing and NOT just shoot when you tell them to shoot and even if they do, you get towncred for killing a mafia in payl. That's what I think is happening. If talis is red, fine, forget what I said but I think we found a red in Supersoft.
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Well talis flipped mafia. I'm still a normal VT, what Supersoft did was still retarded, Supersoft still has not answered a single question about "why" he did that. Not a single one and I asked him about 3 times. Marv asked him about 3 times as well. He just does what he does. He hit a mafia so I guess he's just a jerk doing whatever he wants without explaining a thing.
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The only reason people are calling me mafia is because I called talis suspicious while later on telling supersoft that talis is very well suspicious but not for the reasons he quoted, which is not a reason to call someone scummy btw.
Oh and saying I think payl is scummy when you think he is scummy is well and I'm bussing him isn't a reason to think I'm scummy as well.
So I don't even get why people want to shoot me.
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On June 15 2012 23:25 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 23:16 Toadesstern wrote:
Well talis flipped mafia. I'm still a normal VT, what Supersoft did was still retarded, Supersoft still has not answered a single question about "why" he did that. Not a single one and I asked him about 3 times. Marv asked him about 3 times as well. He just does what he does. He hit a mafia so I guess he's just a jerk doing whatever he wants without explaining a thing. Isn't this explaining why Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 18:02 supersoft wrote:On June 15 2012 17:34 Dirkzor wrote:
Good aim Supersoft but I dislike your method. Had you not hit a red you would have thrown this town into chaos. yeah i was a little short on time when I suddenly realized, that there is something wrong with payl and zentor as lynches. The first thing I did last night was filtering Zentor and I got a townread on him. After that I filtered payl and I thought he might be blue. like 40/60 (rather scum but still no good lynch + no information) Then I tried to stop the ongoing preparations to shoot one of them. Because the day would have been wasted. I refiltered everyone and catched kita and talismania. Toads reaction to this, whom I suspected before, supported my talismaniaread and abandoned my kitaread. Toad made the "mistake" to point me towards talismanis play in PYPoison. His following suggestion to shoot zentor instead of payl was the point when I realized that both, toad and talismani offered to shoot payl, but prefered to shoot zentor. What got me to the point that payl has to be scum, too. At this point of time it didn't really matter to me anymore so I picked my strongest scumread, talismani and shot him. The uncertain component in my plan really was RoL who could have been scum. Now he's like onfirmed town. Also exWBG is still someone who might be scum. Not saying I agree with how he went about it, or even all the logic but you can't deny the results and it as an answer to why he did it.
Oh yeah haven't seen that. Only got home a couple of minutes ago and answered the fast to answer ones. Anyways what he says in there makes no sense and I don't have to point out why, do I ?
Again this whole thing is based on "Toad is GF therefore Talis has to be mafia as well therefore Payl is their mafia-bus.
Not to mention that he says in there the reason for thinking I am mafia is Toads reaction to this, whom I suspected before, supported my talismaniaread and abandoned my kitaread.
when he's telling people I was defending him yesterday (I never was. I said he is scummy but pointed out that Supersofts post about talis 1.st post is not alignment indicating because talis did that post pregame, not knowing his alignment and said he's suspicious for other reasons).
Yet everyone gets in here and quotes that one phrase were I said that tallis is not suspicious for that one post Supersoft posted and interpret it as me defending talis. Even Supersoft said earlier that the fact that I'm defending talis makes him mafia (although I never did that..) and that makes payl mafia as well, now it's the fact that I supported his talisread? How is that making sense at all?
Anyways have to go, cya later.
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What happened yesterday:
- Supersoft asks me what I think about Talis
- I say he is suspicious and scummy
- Supersoft quotes a post from PYP that was done PREGAME, aka before alignments were out
- I tell him "dude, Talis is super scummy but that is the only post in talis filter that isn't scummy because it's a PREgame post, aka it's not alignment indicating because he didn't even have an alignment back then. You can't take that as a reason to consider him scummy although he is scummy for every other post in his filter"
- Supersoft says we should not lynch Zentor / Payl because I am GF bussing Payl and Talis, which apparently makes Payl an incredible bad target for whatever reason and therefore he shoots Talis instead of Payl or me
- I am therefore mafia because I agreed with his read on Talis, just not with his reasoning because he quoted a pregame post and because I am bussing Payl.
Am I really the only one who fails to understand the logic here?
Also so far noone (except for Zentor who did the most ridiculous "case" I've ever seen) explained why I am mafia. Well and Supersoft said I am GF because I think Talis and Payl are mafia, because that's clearly the reasonable explanation here.
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Also I'm going to shoot Zentor the next cycle. I'm giving him time until 23:30 GMT (+00:00) to shoot me, that's already 1am my time. Please noone else shoot me 5 minutes into the day I want to see Zentor shoot me or I'll shoot him :p
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On June 16 2012 03:27 MrZentor wrote:
The only reason you'd do that as mafia is if you knew I were a blue, but I'm not.
The only reason you'd do that as town is if you were confident that I was scum and didn't have a gun. I'm obviously not the godfather as rastaban posted, so you're betting your life on having the correct read on me. -.-
I hate to sound fickle, but I'd rather shoot Payl. :/
You shoot me or you're dead. It's simple as that. I posted this one:
On June 16 2012 02:47 Toadesstern wrote:What happened yesterday: - Supersoft asks me what I think about Talis
- I say he is suspicious and scummy
- Supersoft quotes a post from PYP that was done PREGAME, aka before alignments were out
- I tell him "dude, Talis is super scummy but that is the only post in talis filter that isn't scummy because it's a PREgame post, aka it's not alignment indicating because he didn't even have an alignment back then. You can't take that as a reason to consider him scummy although he is scummy for every other post in his filter"
- Supersoft says we should not lynch Zentor / Payl because I am GF bussing Payl and Talis, which apparently makes Payl an incredible bad target for whatever reason and therefore he shoots Talis instead of Payl or me
- I am therefore mafia because I agreed with his read on Talis, just not with his reasoning because he quoted a pregame post and because I am bussing Payl.
Am I really the only one who fails to understand the logic here? Also so far noone (except for Zentor who did the most ridiculous "case" I've ever seen) explained why I am mafia. Well and Supersoft said I am GF because I think Talis and Payl are mafia, because that's clearly the reasonable explanation here.
and people ignore it because they think that reasoning makes sense. If that's what people think I don't care about it because the only way to show people how retarded they are is to shove them my green head into their face.
You just said I am mafia and although you never mentioned it, it looked like I'm your best read so far and yet you're willing to shoot payl instead, the guy I am pushing while you are convinced that I am mafia.
You want to shoot payle instead, the guy that Supersoft (read: the guy who shot mafia yesterday) considered to be a bad target and after telling everyone and their mother to shoot payl he suddenly realized shooting him was incredible bad (aka: he thought he's town) and therefore shot talis instead.
And you tell me you'd rather shoot payl than me?
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On June 16 2012 03:45 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 03:38 Toadesstern wrote:On June 16 2012 03:27 MrZentor wrote:
The only reason you'd do that as mafia is if you knew I were a blue, but I'm not.
The only reason you'd do that as town is if you were confident that I was scum and didn't have a gun. I'm obviously not the godfather as rastaban posted, so you're betting your life on having the correct read on me. -.-
I hate to sound fickle, but I'd rather shoot Payl. :/ You shoot me or you're dead. It's simple as that. I posted this one: On June 16 2012 02:47 Toadesstern wrote:What happened yesterday: - Supersoft asks me what I think about Talis
- I say he is suspicious and scummy
- Supersoft quotes a post from PYP that was done PREGAME, aka before alignments were out
- I tell him "dude, Talis is super scummy but that is the only post in talis filter that isn't scummy because it's a PREgame post, aka it's not alignment indicating because he didn't even have an alignment back then. You can't take that as a reason to consider him scummy although he is scummy for every other post in his filter"
- Supersoft says we should not lynch Zentor / Payl because I am GF bussing Payl and Talis, which apparently makes Payl an incredible bad target for whatever reason and therefore he shoots Talis instead of Payl or me
- I am therefore mafia because I agreed with his read on Talis, just not with his reasoning because he quoted a pregame post and because I am bussing Payl.
Am I really the only one who fails to understand the logic here? Also so far noone (except for Zentor who did the most ridiculous "case" I've ever seen) explained why I am mafia. Well and Supersoft said I am GF because I think Talis and Payl are mafia, because that's clearly the reasonable explanation here. and people ignore it because they think that reasoning makes sense. If that's what people think I don't care about it because the only way to show people how retarded they are is to shove them my green head into their face. You just said I am mafia and although you never mentioned it, it looked like I'm your best read so far and yet you're willing to shoot payl instead, the guy I am pushing while you are convinced that I am mafia. You want to shoot payle instead, the guy that Supersoft (read: the guy who shot mafia yesterday) considered to be a bad target and after telling everyone and their mother to shoot payl he suddenly realized shooting him was incredible bad (aka: he thought he's town) and therefore shot talis instead. And you tell me you'd rather shoot payl than me? What do you care who he shoots then, you are not making any sense. If he shoots you and you flip green, is he suddenly innocent? If you are so sure he is red then shoot him and let the blame fall on you, the fact that you want to give him a chance to shoot mean you think he might not be red. I think think there is a high chance he is red but very low that he is GF, so if he shoots at all he is clear for now in my book. If he really can shoot I would much rather him shoot someone who is scum instead of you who ( unlike marv ) I think is probably town. I want him to Shoot Payl or Cephiro that would make me happy, as it clears his name. Now if he can't shoot then yeah, toad go ahead and kill him but trying to tell him to shoot you if he can gets us no where as it is no different than him shooting someone else and if he can shoot we just get a dead townie.
I think he is mafia, therefore I think he does not have a gun.
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On June 16 2012 04:00 MrZentor wrote:
...........................................MRZENTOR
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....................................is mafia...............is town
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............................doesn't have gun...........has gun
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...doesn't shoot tomorrow....................shoots somebody
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........gets shot in the face.....who is probably mafia......who is probably town
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........1 dead mafia.....MrZ is town and we might get a mafia.............MrZ is town and we shot a town person for no reason
That was fun.
You said I'm mafia so what's the problem with shooting me? I just don't get why you want to shoot Payl intead.
Get over with it and stick with what you're saying. You even did a "case" on me which you did not do for Payl so clearly you want me more dead than Payl.
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On June 16 2012 05:07 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 02:47 Toadesstern wrote:What happened yesterday: - Supersoft asks me what I think about Talis
- I say he is suspicious and scummy
- Supersoft quotes a post from PYP that was done PREGAME, aka before alignments were out
- I tell him "dude, Talis is super scummy but that is the only post in talis filter that isn't scummy because it's a PREgame post, aka it's not alignment indicating because he didn't even have an alignment back then. You can't take that as a reason to consider him scummy although he is scummy for every other post in his filter"
- Supersoft says we should not lynch Zentor / Payl because I am GF bussing Payl and Talis, which apparently makes Payl an incredible bad target for whatever reason and therefore he shoots Talis instead of Payl or me
- I am therefore mafia because I agreed with his read on Talis, just not with his reasoning because he quoted a pregame post and because I am bussing Payl.
Am I really the only one who fails to understand the logic here? Also so far noone (except for Zentor who did the most ridiculous "case" I've ever seen) explained why I am mafia. Well and Supersoft said I am GF because I think Talis and Payl are mafia, because that's clearly the reasonable explanation here. Something about this post seems very scummy, and I don't really know what it is...
probably the fact that I am kind of assuming I am mafia in that post to show how it's not making sense?
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On June 16 2012 05:34 Zealos wrote:
It's like you half twist other peoples, and your own words to make you seem mafia, while subtly trying to get me on your side. It's really weird.
I'm not half twisting other people or my own words. That's literally what happend.
Toad
Talis: Honestly no idea. I just played with him in PYP and we were both mafia. He's more confident than he was in PYP imo. I'd say a null overall because I've got vibes in both directions so far.
On June 15 2012 07:56 talismania wrote:
Why have you ignored the part where gonzaw had a greencheck on supersoft?
-> I call that bullshit here:
Toad
Gonzaw was a DT who's sanity is not confirmed. The green check on Supersoft is not alignment indicating.
The chance for gonzaw to be sane is something like 50% and the chance for him to be insane is about 50% as well (as he can't be paranoid). So we have a coinflip on Supersoft because that check means nothing.
-> Supersoft quotes that one pregame-post
-> I tell him
On June 15 2012 08:09 Toadesstern wrote:the thing is that he played pro-town as mafia in PYP. Which means you're accusing him to play pro-town and willing to lynch him on that idea? I'm pretty sure he would have done the same post as town in PYP and I'd rather take a look what wether or not he's explaining himself when taking stances.
which basicly reads as. "Dude you found the only post that is not alignment indicating at all because it's a pregame post. Look at how he's not explaining while taking stances". THAT's the reason he's weird.
And I'm mafia because I said Talis is mafia but for reasons posts he did while playing mafia and not for a post that was pregame and because I'm "obviously" bussing payl...
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it seems odd because noone told me why I am mafia except for Supersoft who said "lolol Toad said Talis might be mafia and wants to shoot Payl (in his and my opinion he's red) therefore he has to be mafia GF bussing his entire team".
That's literally the base of "Toad is mafia". It's non-existing. I can't defend against something in a "normal" fashion if it's not there to begin with except for pointing out that the reasoning "Toad said Talis and payl are mafia, they are both mafia, therefore he has to be mafia" is retarded and yes I am pissed about it, that's why I want Zentor to shoot me.
If people really consider that scummy I can't talk back about that because there's nothing to talk back to and we should just get over it and , as I already pointed out, shove my green head into Zentors and Supersofts face to start the next cycle normal.
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