EPTI mean, obviously if you don't believe my claim then this is pointless, but as the Doctor, that's my view on being directed.
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VisceraEyes
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I mean, obviously if you don't believe my claim then this is pointless, but as the Doctor, that's my view on being directed. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Mattchew
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VisceraEyes vs Wherebugsgo and Nova_tera vs HIropro We have the 2 claims of VE (Doc) and NT (Det). I firmly believe that ANY BLUE ROLE SHOULD COME FORWARD AND CLAIM NOW, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE 2 ROLES. Also, I believe we should be voting on the NT vs Hiro case because we get a confirmed scum out of the claim (NT if Hiro flips green and Hiro if NT isn't lying) despite how confident VE is in his read I was wrong about the Zealos vs Hiropro situation so I would like more opinions on them before I make my vote. Right now I side with believe NT and would like to vote Hiropro | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On May 28 2012 02:01 Mattchew wrote: Ok guys, the way I see it we have 2 fights. VisceraEyes vs Wherebugsgo and Nova_tera vs HIropro We have the 2 claims of VE (Doc) and NT (Det). I firmly believe that ANY BLUE ROLE SHOULD COME FORWARD AND CLAIM NOW, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE 2 ROLES. Also, I believe we should be voting on the NT vs Hiro case because we get a confirmed scum out of the claim (NT if Hiro flips green and Hiro if NT isn't lying) despite how confident VE is in his read I was wrong about the Zealos vs Hiropro situation so I would like more opinions on them before I make my vote. Right now I side with believe NT and would like to vote Hiropro Do not do this. Only counterclaim we should have today is vig, if the true vig haven't claimed. Otherwise it is foolish to let yourself be flushed out by these claims. There aren't two fights going on. There are two claims, and these needs to be resolved. We have to start with VE's claim first, because that one is imo the hardest to believe and understand. There is no way for us not to lynch VE today as far as I view it. So if anyone else truly is the doc you should sit back and for sure not claim. Same thing is with cop, if there is anyone else than NT who is cop you shouldn't claim today, maybe day 4, but definately not today. | ||
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Mattchew
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On May 28 2012 02:44 Mattchew wrote: I vehemently disagree. If VE were to flip doctor, all we are left with is his READ on WBG and we are in LYLO, just as if we flip WBG and he flips town, we are left with VE being wrong and we are in LYLO. If VE flip doctor we have to deal with it then. We are left with alot other than VE's read. The reason we should lynch VE is that it doesn't make sense from a town perspective, and he is very probable scum. A counterclaim won't do anything towards this, unless it is a scumcounterclaim, which we can lynch day 4, that won't happend. You say you believe NT, now what? We lynch Hiro? What if he flips town, then we are left with nothing else than NT's claim which still might be true. And we are worse off than if we lynched VE and he by some off chance actually flips doc. VE knew that he would be lynched by claiming like that, and if he was rational when doing so he is definately scum, and have an agenda for doing so. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On May 28 2012 03:05 Tunkeg wrote: If VE flip doctor we have to deal with it then. We are left with alot other than VE's read. The reason we should lynch VE is that it doesn't make sense from a town perspective, and he is very probable scum. A counterclaim won't do anything towards this, unless it is a scumcounterclaim, which we can lynch day 4, that won't happend. You say you believe NT, now what? We lynch Hiro? What if he flips town, then we are left with nothing else than NT's claim which still might be true. And we are worse off than if we lynched VE and he by some off chance actually flips doc. VE knew that he would be lynched by claiming like that, and if he was rational when doing so he is definately scum, and have an agenda for doing so. If hiro flips town we lynch NT. Scum have had literally no reason to frame Hiro (especially after the Zealos fake claim) and if he flips miller then we got fucked and thats it. The odds are EXTREMELY higher that one of hiro/NT are scum than VE/WBG | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On May 28 2012 03:18 Mattchew wrote: If hiro flips town we lynch NT. Scum have had literally no reason to frame Hiro (especially after the Zealos fake claim) and if he flips miller then we got fucked and thats it. The odds are EXTREMELY higher that one of hiro/NT are scum than VE/WBG The odds are good that one of hiro or NT is scum I agree, but the odds that VE is scum is better. The chance of VE being scum is good enough that I am willing to guarantee it. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I found that bit funny | ||
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wherebugsgo
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wherebugsgo
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On May 28 2012 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote: It's not wierd, it's called WIFOM. Telling medics to protect him is a psychology thing...public orders are just that, public...and that means that scum can see it ya? So we're operating under the assumption that scum aren't going to shoot Marvel right? Because he's medic protected publicly. What does that mean if you're a doctor...that means that protecting marvel is a waste right? Because scum aren't going to hit him. So you're actually better off protecting someone OTHER than Marvel because there's a higher chance of actually protecting someone. I mean, obviously if you don't believe my claim then this is pointless, but as the Doctor, that's my view on being directed. You call it WIFOM and then your conclusion is different than what it would be if it was actually WIFOM. Doctor protects are never WIFOM. You always protect the most town looking player. Always. Look at Cop You Idiot mafia: if the medic protted Tunkeg he would've lived. Look at this game. Both ET and marvellosity were really obvious shots. No one in their right mind would shoot me as long as I'm at the forefront of discussion. If I request to die most mafia leave me alive as well (it's worked all the time in the past) The fact that I predicted the marvellosity shot should prove that he was the most likely to get hit. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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Katina
United States454 Posts
On May 28 2012 02:01 Mattchew wrote: Ok guys, the way I see it we have 2 fights. VisceraEyes vs Wherebugsgo and Nova_tera vs HIropro We have the 2 claims of VE (Doc) and NT (Det). I firmly believe that ANY BLUE ROLE SHOULD COME FORWARD AND CLAIM NOW, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE 2 ROLES. Also, I believe we should be voting on the NT vs Hiro case because we get a confirmed scum out of the claim (NT if Hiro flips green and Hiro if NT isn't lying) despite how confident VE is in his read I was wrong about the Zealos vs Hiropro situation so I would like more opinions on them before I make my vote. Right now I side with believe NT and would like to vote Hiropro Smart. Give the Mafia targets to shoot.... | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On May 27 2012 08:40 Nova_Terra wrote: okay well howabout this Im cop, check results are WBG town Hiro scum It makes sense that Nova_Terra didn't believe Zealos's claim at all and came right at me at the start of the day without giving any good reasoning if he's DT. I've had a town read on N_T, I think he's telling the truth. I'm either a miller or I was framed last night. On May 27 2012 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote: No I haven't been breadcrumbing...I'm paranoid about scum figuring them out before town whenever I roll blue :/ N1 I protected froggy and N2 I protected Tune...I literally flipped a coin between him and Marvelous  This claim makes no sense at all. Those prots are complete bs: froggy was inactive for like half of day 1 - why on earth would you save him, and tunkeg over marvel is just lol. Not to mention, WHY THE HELL WOULD TOWN CLAIM DOCTOR NOW. There's no way that you did this just because you think WBG is scum, which is in itself kind of ridiculous. Mafia only needs 1 more mislynch to make it lylo - I think VE just wants to take out a townie. ##Vote VisceraEyes You have nothing to say about the actual claims? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Playing doctor isn't about blindly protecting the towniest players...often the towniest seeming players are scum. Playing Doctor is always about stopping night hits. ALWAYS. There are always circumstances beyond "appearances" to consider. Before you guys blindly listen to Bugs, please consider that regardless of what he says, different people play in different ways and my flip is going to prove that fact if nothing else. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 28 2012 09:57 VisceraEyes wrote: The fact that he was lurky was WHY I protected froggy. My theories about playing doctor are well known and documented, and anyone who has played with me is well aware that my claim makes sense from my perspective...even Bugs though he'll deny it until post-game. False, I have not played with you as a blue as far as I can remember. If your blue style is "plays like an idiot" then I would not be aware of it. If you actually flip blue then your play is indefensible. Playing doctor isn't about blindly protecting the towniest players...often the towniest seeming players are scum. Yeah it's about protecting town assets. You can easily say that the lurking players are the most likely to be scum too. The person most likely to get shot is nearly always going to be a vocal and useful townie. What was ET? Vocal and useful townie. Marvellosity? Vocal and useful townies. The players who get shot are those who are not afraid of pushing lynches and those who are generally impervious to lynch attention. Not that neither ET nor marvellosity even so much as got a serious vote the day before they died. Playing Doctor is always about stopping night hits. ALWAYS. There are always circumstances beyond "appearances" to consider. And you as a doctor have failed miserably. Before you guys blindly listen to Bugs, please consider that regardless of what he says, different people play in different ways and my flip is going to prove that fact if nothing else. you flipping town would prove that you played yet again like an idiot and nothing else. Your play, if you are town, this game has been atrocious. By no means does it make any sense for you to ever claim doctor in your position. Neither of your protects make a shred of sense and your behavior now doesn't make any sense either. Everything you've done can be explained from the perspective of furthering a scum agenda because nearly everything you've done has positive EV as scum and wholly negative EV as town. Indeed if you are town you have played completely against your win condition. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 28 2012 11:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Everyone take hard look at Bug' last post...phrasing like 'idiotic' and 'atrocious' is designed specifically to infuriated me, as I like to consider myself and Bugs pretty tight generally. If he's town and using this type of language and honestly believes the things he's saying, I have to seriously reconsider that assessment.v :-/ being friends outside of this game has nothing to do with it. If you're playing like an ass I'm going to tell you that you're playing like an ass. | ||
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