I wouldnt think that VE would be willing to sac himself just to get a medic CC and possibly (read:unlikely) get a medic lynch. He wasnt even in much danger yet.

Bugs do you buy NT's claim?

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 27 2012 07:16 GMT

#1443

No, I don't think it's serious.

zelblade

Australia901 Posts

May 27 2012 07:19 GMT

#1444

It looks serious to me -_-

Well lets wait for him to wake up.

Nova_Terra

Switzerland1190 Posts

May 27 2012 08:16 GMT

#1445

My claim was entirely serious. I checked WBG because at the time VE and him were going at eachother and i thought he wouldnt be a target for scum for that reason, and the next day i could take sides depending on the check. check my filter, i start randomly going into WBG is inno mode.
Hiro was also under some fire but not enough, it would have been a massive problem to determine his alignmenr without a check thanks to zealos.

I was planning on claiming vet to keep thhe mafia off of me so that i would have time for more reads.
In this situation i would like to lynch Hiro first, then VE. i would lynch VE first if I could make sure we would lynch Hiro next.

zelblade

Australia901 Posts

May 27 2012 08:18 GMT

#1446

Because a random vet claim at the start of d3 draws 0 suspision and is completely believable. OK

zelblade

Australia901 Posts

May 27 2012 08:23 GMT

#1447

So bugs, since its actually serious, thoughts on it?

Anyway Im assuming you decieded not to breadcrumb your checks. I guess that I could see what you mean regarding the WBG check and your behaviour after it, but I dont understand why you would check someone that had a decent chance of dying n1. The hiro check made sense I guess.

I also dont see why you decided to claim DT because VE claimed. Just saying its a "claimfest" isnt a reason for you to friggin claim, and last I checked a random medic claim doesnt mean you need to claim all your blue roles.

Nova_Terra

Switzerland1190 Posts

May 27 2012 08:40 GMT

#1448

I did have a vet breadcrumb from day 1 haha

Nova_Terra

Switzerland1190 Posts

May 27 2012 08:43 GMT

#1449

because of the argument from VE, i think that scum wouldnt have hit either of them because they were promoting conflict for scum and making eachother more suspicious
dunno if you guys read all of my meta but if you did -WIFOM AHEAD- you would see that the game i played most similar to this was when i was cop

zelblade

Australia901 Posts

May 27 2012 09:16 GMT

#1450

Why are you so aware of your own meta. And fakeclaiming and breadcruming a fakeclaim but not your actual role (+ checks ofc) as town is just....

Nova_Terra

Switzerland1190 Posts

May 27 2012 09:22 GMT

#1451

everyone always tells me im scum because i spam, and therefore i always feel the need to point out my meta
the check results i think are relatively obvious from my behavior afterwords

Tunkeg

Norway1235 Posts

May 27 2012 10:58 GMT

#1452

Hmm, another claim. This looks like VE scumplay 101 - turn the thread into turmoil.

VE I think you know that you leave us no choice but to lynch you. But if you are in fact the doctor, and just did this out of afffect or rage, then I am willing to write it up as a mistake (kind of like my "ragequit" earlier), and won't hold any grudges. If you are in fact the doc I will expect you to contribute in a non abrisive and non disruptive way for this last 2 days. Post up your reads, don't get into any fights, and don't shit up the thread. If you do this as and you are a doc, your mistake is forgivable. If you are scum everything goes.

I also wish we could have at least pretended that we might buy VE's claim, as I think his posts if scum would give us more information.

More on the NT cop claim in my next post.

##Vote VisceraEyes

Tunkeg

Norway1235 Posts

May 27 2012 11:27 GMT

#1453

I am not really sure how to read the Nova_Terra cop claim. It might be true and it might be bogus.

Arguements that it might be true is:
- He have been telling thread that WBG is town from day 2 and forward.
- He instantly started a HiroPro push on day 3, and turned on his view on me based on this.
- The timing of his claim is wierd if scum. VE just came out and claim, and if NT is scum and VE is not it would be easy to just join in on the VE lynch. If NT is scum and VE is scum it also a very high risk maneuver for scum.

Arguements that it might be false is:
- No breadcrumbs on his checks.
- He actually mentioned he contemplated claiming Vet and have breadcrumbed VET, which I find strange.
- He didn't indicate any suspicion on Hiro Pro before his claimed check on him. Except he told that a vig hit on Hiro Pro would be advicable, and imo you shouldn't check someone you want a vig check on.
- In my opinion there are other targets than Hiro Pro that would be better to check on night 2.
- The timing of the claim. This is on both sides, because VE is great at messing up the thread if he is scum. So this might be a doubledamage claim in the sense that these moves would throw us completely off.

My conclusion is that I can't decide whether or not Nova_Terra's claim is true or false.

Anyways, whether or not the claim is true or false there are alot of insecurity tied to investigations this game. You have the framer which in worst case scenario could have framed WBG night 1 and made him appear town and framed Hiro Pro night 2 and made him appear as scum. You have the Godfather role that might have made WBG appear as town. You have the miller that might have made Hiro Pro appear as scum.

My take on this is:
- If WBG is scum it would be very likely that he got framed night one, if scumteam have a framer. There is also a 1/4 chance he would be the godfather if the role is in the game. To me this means that if Nova_Terras claim is true then his check on WBG night 1 most likely means WBG is town, but shouldn't be taken to much into consideration because of the uncertainty.
- If Hiro Pro is town I don't see it as very likely that he got framed night 2. This leaves the chance that he is miller, which regardless of whether there is 0,1,2 isn't a high chance. To me this means that if Nova_Terras claim is true then his check on Hiro Pro night 2 very likely means Hiro Pro is scum, and should very much so be taken into consideration.

Nova_Terra

Switzerland1190 Posts

May 27 2012 11:41 GMT

#1454

It became apparent to me that hiro wouldnt have.been hit by vig over froggy or katina or acid due to sheer amount of people wanting them shot
I purposely didn't voice suspicions or my thinking of him as inno because I didn't think that I would claim today
Let's lynch VE or Hiro at least

Tunkeg

Norway1235 Posts

May 27 2012 11:47 GMT

#1455

On May 27 2012 20:41 Nova_Terra wrote:
It became apparent to me that hiro wouldnt have.been hit by vig over froggy or katina or acid due to sheer amount of people wanting them shot
I purposely didn't voice suspicions or my thinking of him as inno because I didn't think that I would claim today
Let's lynch VE or Hiro at least

Agreed. We have to lynch VE today, the way he did it pretty much have forced our hand. Then if you survive the night you will post a new read, and we will have to WIFOM why you survived the night and if your claim is believeble, if you don't and you flip cop we should probably look into lynching Hiro.

Tunkeg

Norway1235 Posts

May 27 2012 13:44 GMT

#1456

Froggy you are our only confirmed town (if we don't get a CC on the vigshot). You reads are of much value to us, as you are the only one we can truly trust. So could you post your heaviest scumreads and reasons for them as of now?

Nova_Terra

Switzerland1190 Posts

May 27 2012 14:31 GMT

#1457

Me when everyone doesnt instantly believe my DT claim
+ Show Spoiler +

http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p547/Hintense/Gifs/tumblr_lybqw2Hl1T1qiklw8.gif

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

May 27 2012 14:42 GMT

#1458

*grumbles at froggy*

*grumbles at being killed but nonetheless takes it as a compliment*

gg

go town, you can do it!

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 27 2012 15:26 GMT

#1459

/salute

Wait, it's still as I said before - if I flip town you guys better flip Bugs next. There's literally no way we're both town at this point and anyone who doesn't see that has really been taken in by scum this game.

At any rate, I'll cooperate fully as I promised.

zelblade

Australia901 Posts

May 27 2012 15:33 GMT

#1460

Hey VE im going to sleep but just a question

Do you really think bugs is going to shoot someone he asked to be med prot? Considering that he was in a "trusted" position (I am relatively sure most medics would follow his advice) that is a very wierd move no?