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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 25 2012 20:17 GMT
#1101
Anyway, let's go with what we had. I'm inclined to think Tunkeg might just be that stupid after all, as I've overestimated players like Cephiro frpm liar game before, but if any if the scum have been reading liar game I wouldn't doubt if they employed those tactics as they were about to die.

##unvote

##vote Zealos


froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 20:21 GMT
#1102
I also said you were bainting and I stand by it. Though it was mainly out of passivity and I honestly think VE was going crazy... for a moment it felt like you were a couple and you had broken up or something cuz he went loco. I apologise if it offended you but I was pissed off at the amount of anti-towniness that was happening (hence my butthurt remark in the same post).

More importantly Bugs, do you believe Zealos?
'better still, a satisfied man'
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
May 25 2012 20:26 GMT
#1103
On May 26 2012 05:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 07:45 Zealos wrote:
On May 24 2012 07:44 froggynoddy wrote:
On May 24 2012 07:19 HiroPro wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 24 2012 00:14 Tunkeg wrote:
EchelonTee - Scum

So I have changed my mind. I had ET leaning town early on in the game, I was wrong. He is scum, and this is why:

1. He have been trying to appear active while not really being active. His post have mostly consisted of oneliners, soft accusations and defending others. I think his defence om me was for this purpose only. To appear active, get easy townpoints and be able to put down an early vote. Isolated I viewed his arguement with Acrofalis as townie, as he was sticking his head out. In hindsight I see this as mentioned above - a way to appear active.

2. He don't really want to give us his reads. I have asked him for reads two times, he ignores it. Why dodge questions like that if you are town? Sure, he might think they are trivial and not worth spending his time on. But I see refusing to answer questions as scummy.

3. He listed that he would be ok with lynching jeb, acid and Katina without any reason. Between them there are two newbies, who are an easy misslynch because they are inexperienced and Katina, who is famous for being very lurky (at least she have been in all games I have played with her), and is also a player that is easy to get a misslynch on.

4. He voted for jeb just before the deadline (on the deadline actually) without any reason. And in a very suspicious way: "When is the deadline", like he did it on purpose, so that he wouldn't have to post any reasoning to why he voted jeb, and not get hold accountable for it.

ET is my number one scumread. Feel free to discuss it or not, especially if you disagree. If you agreeyou are probably better off waiting until after the night is over. Because if ET is scum scumteam will probably lynch someone who agrees to make it less likely he get lynched on day 2.



Oh look, your "number one scumread" died. How convenient. Guess that gives you more time to post useless questions and lists, huh.

##Vote Tunkeg


This makes no sense whatsoever.

He also Tunkeg's scumbuddy hiro?


These two posts right here. He talks to Hiro as just another townie at first...

Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 07:51 Zealos wrote:
In fact, hiro, you've written nothing of substance all game bar a case against Mouldy. Your points against Tunkeg have seemed weak, and your latest post is downright dreadful. Seems like you're tunnelling tunkeg to avoid giving any other reads.


...but then has a revelation about Hiro's filter being lacking? This isn't a DT who just got a check on the guy, it's someone who has just now "become suspicious" of the guy.

He's lying about the claim.

Because I need to convince other people to get him killed...?
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 25 2012 20:27 GMT
#1104
No, I don't believe Zealos.

Then again, I don't believe most of the players when they claim DT, probably because in my first 3 or 4 games players like chaoser, Palmar, and Jackal all fakeclaimed blue roles. I haven't been able to take a claim at face value since then, particularly if the circumstances surrounding it don't make sense. Check out XLIV, Some Mafia Game, Resurrection Mafia for chaoser, Palmar, and Jackal in that order. My first/third/second games iirc.

I don't really know what it is about people who actually roll DT though, they always end up acting dumber than normal.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 25 2012 20:35 GMT
#1105
On May 26 2012 02:11 Zealos wrote:
So, as you guys know, my thoughts on day 1 were.... to put it bluntly, bad.
My main first case was against acro, which was valid at the time, however, I think it's pretty clear to everyone that Marvel is a town player, so there was no point checking him.
The other player I thought was a bit off was Zel. However, he was being super inactive and lurky at the time, so I expected him to be vigged, and so not worth the check.
The reason I did check Hiro, however, is that he was one of the few people who didn't bother questioning me about Jeb. I stand by my decision to vote for him, but it raised a few eyebrows, and for good reason. Hiro on the other hand didn't think twice of it, and was happy to just watch us townies argue between ourselves.

When he came out red, I *slightly* overreacted, hence, the moment I saw any reason to pile pressure on him, I took it, and hoped town would do the same. When this didn't happen, I subtly claimed in the hope one of the vets would see it. This is also why I asked earlier, that a vet would look over my filter and I asked "Is my few mafia traits the only thing that sticks out?" in the hope they would notice, and attempt to help me swing the votes over to Hiro.

Take from this what you will.


This is complete bs.

This guy has no breadcrumb of checking me. He definitely acted like he was suspicious of marv throughout the night. He didn't check zelblade, because he was likely to get vigged? Bullshit, cause zelblade wasn't inactive day 1 and not a single person said that they had suspicions of him at night. No one said that they wanted him to be vigged. He randomly goes from trying to poke holes in my Tunkeg case to saying "In fact, this guy is scum!"

And not to mention the fact that everything else in his filter indicates he's scummy as hell.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
May 25 2012 20:43 GMT
#1106
On May 26 2012 05:35 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 02:11 Zealos wrote:
So, as you guys know, my thoughts on day 1 were.... to put it bluntly, bad.
My main first case was against acro, which was valid at the time, however, I think it's pretty clear to everyone that Marvel is a town player, so there was no point checking him.
The other player I thought was a bit off was Zel. However, he was being super inactive and lurky at the time, so I expected him to be vigged, and so not worth the check.
The reason I did check Hiro, however, is that he was one of the few people who didn't bother questioning me about Jeb. I stand by my decision to vote for him, but it raised a few eyebrows, and for good reason. Hiro on the other hand didn't think twice of it, and was happy to just watch us townies argue between ourselves.

When he came out red, I *slightly* overreacted, hence, the moment I saw any reason to pile pressure on him, I took it, and hoped town would do the same. When this didn't happen, I subtly claimed in the hope one of the vets would see it. This is also why I asked earlier, that a vet would look over my filter and I asked "Is my few mafia traits the only thing that sticks out?" in the hope they would notice, and attempt to help me swing the votes over to Hiro.

Take from this what you will.


This is complete bs.

This guy has no breadcrumb of checking me. He definitely acted like he was suspicious of marv throughout the night. He didn't check zelblade, because he was likely to get vigged? Bullshit, cause zelblade wasn't inactive day 1 and not a single person said that they had suspicions of him at night. No one said that they wanted him to be vigged. He randomly goes from trying to poke holes in my Tunkeg case to saying "In fact, this guy is scum!"

And not to mention the fact that everything else in his filter indicates he's scummy as hell.

You're complete bs.
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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 25 2012 20:45 GMT
#1107
I'm not responding to this shit anymore. If anyone has something else to discuss, i'll talk, but this guy is just trying to provoke me.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 25 2012 20:45 GMT
#1108
On May 26 2012 05:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
No, I don't believe Zealos.

Then again, I don't believe most of the players when they claim DT, probably because in my first 3 or 4 games players like chaoser, Palmar, and Jackal all fakeclaimed blue roles. I haven't been able to take a claim at face value since then, particularly if the circumstances surrounding it don't make sense. Check out XLIV, Some Mafia Game, Resurrection Mafia for chaoser, Palmar, and Jackal in that order. My first/third/second games iirc.

I don't really know what it is about people who actually roll DT though, they always end up acting dumber than normal.


What a completely wishywashy response bugs...give a reason why you don't believe him, don't be scared.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 20:47 GMT
#1109
Zealos looks like you're our lynch then. Should we be wrong apart from Hiro who do you think is scum?
'better still, a satisfied man'
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
May 25 2012 20:48 GMT
#1110
On May 26 2012 05:45 HiroPro wrote:
I'm not responding to this shit anymore. If anyone has something else to discuss, i'll talk, but this guy is just trying to provoke me.

"this guy" has a name and he's a DT scum man.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
May 25 2012 20:49 GMT
#1111
DT, scum man.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
May 25 2012 20:51 GMT
#1112
On May 26 2012 05:47 froggynoddy wrote:
Zealos looks like you're our lynch then. Should we be wrong apart from Hiro who do you think is scum?

1. Mattchew filter
2. EchelonTee filter
3. Wherebugsgo filter
4. Tunkeg filter
5. Acid~ filter
6. Zealos filter
7. HiroPro filter
8. Mouldy Jeb filter
9. Katina filter
10. Navillus filter
11. Acrofales filter Marvellosity filter
12. Nova_Terra filter
13. VisceraEyes filter
14. zelblade filter
15. Froggynoddy filter
One of the above, take your pick.
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
May 25 2012 20:53 GMT
#1113
zealos you're worthless now and you breadcrumbed nothing
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 20:54 GMT
#1114
On May 26 2012 05:51 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 05:47 froggynoddy wrote:
Zealos looks like you're our lynch then. Should we be wrong apart from Hiro who do you think is scum?

1. Mattchew filter
2. EchelonTee filter
3. Wherebugsgo filter
4. Tunkeg filter
5. Acid~ filter
6. Zealos filter
7. HiroPro filter
8. Mouldy Jeb filter
9. Katina filter
10. Navillus filter
11. Acrofales filter Marvellosity filter
12. Nova_Terra filter
13. VisceraEyes filter
14. zelblade filter
15. Froggynoddy filter
One of the above, take your pick.


Wait what? You think there are only two scum?
'better still, a satisfied man'
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
May 25 2012 20:55 GMT
#1115
On May 26 2012 05:54 froggynoddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 05:51 Zealos wrote:
On May 26 2012 05:47 froggynoddy wrote:
Zealos looks like you're our lynch then. Should we be wrong apart from Hiro who do you think is scum?

1. Mattchew filter
2. EchelonTee filter
3. Wherebugsgo filter
4. Tunkeg filter
5. Acid~ filter
6. Zealos filter
7. HiroPro filter
8. Mouldy Jeb filter
9. Katina filter
10. Navillus filter
11. Acrofales filter Marvellosity filter
12. Nova_Terra filter
13. VisceraEyes filter
14. zelblade filter
15. Froggynoddy filter
One of the above, take your pick.


Wait what? You think there are only two scum?

You said who else. I only have one other read.
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 25 2012 20:59 GMT
#1116
On May 26 2012 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 05:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
No, I don't believe Zealos.

Then again, I don't believe most of the players when they claim DT, probably because in my first 3 or 4 games players like chaoser, Palmar, and Jackal all fakeclaimed blue roles. I haven't been able to take a claim at face value since then, particularly if the circumstances surrounding it don't make sense. Check out XLIV, Some Mafia Game, Resurrection Mafia for chaoser, Palmar, and Jackal in that order. My first/third/second games iirc.

I don't really know what it is about people who actually roll DT though, they always end up acting dumber than normal.


What a completely wishywashy response bugs...give a reason why you don't believe him, don't be scared.


sure it's wishy washy, I don't know if he's a DT or not.

Why he might not be a DT:

he has no breadcrumb of his check.

he merely tunneled, which any scum can do.

Instead of trying to defend himself, refute the case on himself, or further try to convince people to lynch hiro he's just made further one liners that don't advance anything at all.

There was a strong existing case on him that he mostly completely ignored.

The check doesn't fit with the way he addressed hiro early into day 2.

Why he might actually be a DT:

he's capable of being dumb, like anyone else really. The precedent isn't unheard of and there have been worse claims.

______________________________________________________________________________________________


I think the only interesting thing about hiro is that no one particularly has a reason to consider him town. No one really wants to kill him because of Zealos, though. This makes me wonder but it doesn't truly matter since if one dies and flips town the other should flip red anyway (barring a miller or a lying town zealos)
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 25 2012 21:03 GMT
#1117
I mean, there's GF and Framer possibilities, but I agree if Zealos flips DT we should absolutely flip Hiro tomorrow. I assume that musing was concerning the possibility of them both being scum at the end there?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
May 25 2012 21:05 GMT
#1118
On May 26 2012 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean, there's GF and Framer possibilities, but I agree if Zealos flips DT we should absolutely flip Hiro tomorrow. I assume that musing was concerning the possibility of them both being scum at the end there?

We're not both scum. I'm DT, remember. Lynch him tomorrow for me.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 25 2012 21:05 GMT
#1119
Because if he flips scum I'm going to take that as Hiro is auto-town...my guess is that if Zealos flips scum, scum DO have a framer and they targetted Hiro last night...in hopes of another DT outing himself confirming his check (best case scenario for scum).
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 25 2012 21:10 GMT
#1120
If Zealos flips scum then I'm actually inclined to kill Katina.
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