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On May 27 2012 07:14 Nova_Terra wrote: Tunkeg if im right you are townie lynch hiro and then win? If it only were that simple. I still don't think Hiro is scum. I would like the vig to step forward, then we have confirmed townie with confirmed reads we can discuss with. We allready have 4 dead though, 3 townies which might who we know weren't bullshitting, and one scum who might have outed some of his teammates indirectly. If we get the vig to step forward, and we put some effort into the next lynch we should be able to get it right. If my worst fears are right, WBG and VE being scum together I think we will be hard pressed though, but this is for us to figure out. | ||
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On May 27 2012 07:22 Nova_Terra wrote: Tunkeg, only one of the two is scum if any. the convos were NOT fake. they just werent. furthermore, that sets up for a second scum against scum situation, which already happened with zealos and hiro, which hasnt happened cause eres no way that would happen twice in a game. VE is very capable of arguing with his scumbuddy all game long. WBG is also a very capable scumplayer. So I would not exclude that scenario at all. The thing though is that I know WBG have said many times that he don't bus his teammate as scum. But he pushed Zealos, and that is why I think it would be strange if he turned up scum. Also his posting near the end of day 2 gave me townvibes on him. But really, I will have to do some rereading before day 3 lynch, and I would advise the rest of you to do it as well. Pick out the 3-4 players who you think is most scummy and reread them, do some eliminations among them and post your cases. And please if you are town don't turn red with rage because someone is calling you scum, try to point out where they are wrong without turning this into a mudslinging contest. If we can do this, we might succeed. | ||
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On May 27 2012 08:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Cool. I'll be brief. I want you to lynch me if you PROMISE TO LYNCH BUGS NEXT. Everyone seems to think either Bugs or I am scum or that we both are. As such, if you guys have a handle on this outside the two of us, I prefer you just get us out of the way first so whoever is left is confirmed whatever. Please guys, no one is going to listen to anything I say at this point and I'm just a distraction. Remove it. Also I'm the Doctor, so if you don't lynch one of me or Bugs, I'm dead tonight anyway. Gg guys, sorry I allowed Bugs to mindfuck me so hard this game.  What, you claimed with almost no one on your case? This is the strangest claim I have ever seen. I just urged the entire thread to go reread so we could avoid a misslynch. This claim is in fact so strange that I can't believe you would do it is as town. | ||
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On May 27 2012 08:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Fwiw Tunkeg, Bugs busseduction the ship out of me in BCAC...just fyi I thought he was like one of the only one on the scumteam that time that didn't bus, but maybe you are right, all I remember is him telling after Student that he would never ever bus unless there was no other way around it. And I don't think scum had to bus Zealos this time. | ||
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On May 27 2012 08:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Are you of the opinion that Hiro is scum Tunkeg? No. Are you? | ||
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VE I think you know that you leave us no choice but to lynch you. But if you are in fact the doctor, and just did this out of afffect or rage, then I am willing to write it up as a mistake (kind of like my "ragequit" earlier), and won't hold any grudges. If you are in fact the doc I will expect you to contribute in a non abrisive and non disruptive way for this last 2 days. Post up your reads, don't get into any fights, and don't shit up the thread. If you do this as and you are a doc, your mistake is forgivable. If you are scum everything goes. I also wish we could have at least pretended that we might buy VE's claim, as I think his posts if scum would give us more information. More on the NT cop claim in my next post. ##Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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Arguements that it might be true is: - He have been telling thread that WBG is town from day 2 and forward. - He instantly started a HiroPro push on day 3, and turned on his view on me based on this. - The timing of his claim is wierd if scum. VE just came out and claim, and if NT is scum and VE is not it would be easy to just join in on the VE lynch. If NT is scum and VE is scum it also a very high risk maneuver for scum. Arguements that it might be false is: - No breadcrumbs on his checks. - He actually mentioned he contemplated claiming Vet and have breadcrumbed VET, which I find strange. - He didn't indicate any suspicion on Hiro Pro before his claimed check on him. Except he told that a vig hit on Hiro Pro would be advicable, and imo you shouldn't check someone you want a vig check on. - In my opinion there are other targets than Hiro Pro that would be better to check on night 2. - The timing of the claim. This is on both sides, because VE is great at messing up the thread if he is scum. So this might be a doubledamage claim in the sense that these moves would throw us completely off. My conclusion is that I can't decide whether or not Nova_Terra's claim is true or false. Anyways, whether or not the claim is true or false there are alot of insecurity tied to investigations this game. You have the framer which in worst case scenario could have framed WBG night 1 and made him appear town and framed Hiro Pro night 2 and made him appear as scum. You have the Godfather role that might have made WBG appear as town. You have the miller that might have made Hiro Pro appear as scum. My take on this is: - If WBG is scum it would be very likely that he got framed night one, if scumteam have a framer. There is also a 1/4 chance he would be the godfather if the role is in the game. To me this means that if Nova_Terras claim is true then his check on WBG night 1 most likely means WBG is town, but shouldn't be taken to much into consideration because of the uncertainty. - If Hiro Pro is town I don't see it as very likely that he got framed night 2. This leaves the chance that he is miller, which regardless of whether there is 0,1,2 isn't a high chance. To me this means that if Nova_Terras claim is true then his check on Hiro Pro night 2 very likely means Hiro Pro is scum, and should very much so be taken into consideration. | ||
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On May 27 2012 20:41 Nova_Terra wrote: It became apparent to me that hiro wouldnt have.been hit by vig over froggy or katina or acid due to sheer amount of people wanting them shot I purposely didn't voice suspicions or my thinking of him as inno because I didn't think that I would claim today Let's lynch VE or Hiro at least Agreed. We have to lynch VE today, the way he did it pretty much have forced our hand. Then if you survive the night you will post a new read, and we will have to WIFOM why you survived the night and if your claim is believeble, if you don't and you flip cop we should probably look into lynching Hiro. | ||
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On May 28 2012 02:01 Mattchew wrote: Ok guys, the way I see it we have 2 fights. VisceraEyes vs Wherebugsgo and Nova_tera vs HIropro We have the 2 claims of VE (Doc) and NT (Det). I firmly believe that ANY BLUE ROLE SHOULD COME FORWARD AND CLAIM NOW, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE 2 ROLES. Also, I believe we should be voting on the NT vs Hiro case because we get a confirmed scum out of the claim (NT if Hiro flips green and Hiro if NT isn't lying) despite how confident VE is in his read I was wrong about the Zealos vs Hiropro situation so I would like more opinions on them before I make my vote. Right now I side with believe NT and would like to vote Hiropro Do not do this. Only counterclaim we should have today is vig, if the true vig haven't claimed. Otherwise it is foolish to let yourself be flushed out by these claims. There aren't two fights going on. There are two claims, and these needs to be resolved. We have to start with VE's claim first, because that one is imo the hardest to believe and understand. There is no way for us not to lynch VE today as far as I view it. So if anyone else truly is the doc you should sit back and for sure not claim. Same thing is with cop, if there is anyone else than NT who is cop you shouldn't claim today, maybe day 4, but definately not today. | ||
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On May 28 2012 02:44 Mattchew wrote: I vehemently disagree. If VE were to flip doctor, all we are left with is his READ on WBG and we are in LYLO, just as if we flip WBG and he flips town, we are left with VE being wrong and we are in LYLO. If VE flip doctor we have to deal with it then. We are left with alot other than VE's read. The reason we should lynch VE is that it doesn't make sense from a town perspective, and he is very probable scum. A counterclaim won't do anything towards this, unless it is a scumcounterclaim, which we can lynch day 4, that won't happend. You say you believe NT, now what? We lynch Hiro? What if he flips town, then we are left with nothing else than NT's claim which still might be true. And we are worse off than if we lynched VE and he by some off chance actually flips doc. VE knew that he would be lynched by claiming like that, and if he was rational when doing so he is definately scum, and have an agenda for doing so. | ||
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On May 28 2012 03:18 Mattchew wrote: If hiro flips town we lynch NT. Scum have had literally no reason to frame Hiro (especially after the Zealos fake claim) and if he flips miller then we got fucked and thats it. The odds are EXTREMELY higher that one of hiro/NT are scum than VE/WBG The odds are good that one of hiro or NT is scum I agree, but the odds that VE is scum is better. The chance of VE being scum is good enough that I am willing to guarantee it. | ||
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People need to post their opinion on the claims. This is you Katina and you Navilus. VE can we get your opinion on N_T's claim as well? | ||
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On May 29 2012 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: HiroPro Bugs, Nova_Terra, Mattchew That's what I'm going with for 1000. I apologize that my will to play this game has been sapped. GG guys. You think Nova_Terra is scum and still you vote Hiro Pro, makes perfect sense. All of this is just scumtactics, and will be threated as that, when you flip (I am 99% certain you are scum). I know exazctly what you are doing here. You promised us your reads and your insight. I would have expected you to deliver it if you were town. But I will give credit where credit is due, you didn't shit up the thread. | ||
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On May 29 2012 07:46 Mattchew wrote: Remember that time? Oh yeah, now we have to lynch who? WBG? Tunkeg, wheres your brilliant backup plan. I got none. Feel free to be as dickish as you please, because I agree I officially suck at this game. I don't know who's supposed to carry this town now, if WBG is town he is gone tonight, unless scum want us to WIFOM heavily about whether or not VE was right. And then what have we got left? Nova the Copclaimer (Yeah I might just follow him) Hiro the Tunneler (No, sorry, he have been wrong about me the entire game) Mattchew the BM Flavorshitposter (Nope, you are actually the last person I'd follow). Katina and Navilus of the House of Lurkers (Noooo, don't think so). froggynoddy the Vig (Well he is the only one confirmed, so why not). WBG the Tainted (He'll probably be dead, but if not he will probably decide the game, if scum then scum wins, if town he either dies or we have a snowballs chance in hell to make it). | ||
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On May 29 2012 08:35 Mattchew wrote: I am voting WBG tomorrow... You guys wanted to go with VE's plan (regardless of what you thought of him thats what you did) so we might as well fulfill it. I am not. I am not going with any VE plan. I voted him because he did a unbelivable stupid claim. | ||
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