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On May 23 2012 02:09 Acid~ wrote:marvellosity, I would like you to explain something. At the start of the day, a couple players made a case against NT, and you (like Acrofales before you, whom you are replacing) jumped in to defend him, twice. As soon as I called you on buddying with NT, you included him in a list of people you'd like to see dead, and justified that with something about him being a useless townie. Now, to quote your own words : Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 02:46 marvellosity wrote:
I don't think I'd agree to a Nova lynch unless something very particular came up. Atm he's playing to his not-very-useful town meta rather than his post-extensively scum meta What is the particular something that came up? What did NT do exactly that prompted you to change your opinion to this : Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 21:30 marvellosity wrote:
Why? Because useless townies are useless and make easy lynch bait. Ideally I'd want someone to shoot Nova tonight.
You're using the same argument in both cases, but resulting in different conclusions, and that swift reversal came mere minutes after being accused of buddying. Seems to me like you're trying to distance yourself from NT now that prospects are looking grim. If that's not the case and you truly had an epiphany, please quote the exact post from NT that made you change your mind.
Are you not capable of working out the difference between lynching someone and vig shotting them?
VE: I am dissapoint.
Having pressured Matt to try to get him to post normally (to no avail) I am now trying to lynch scum. This is in no way incompatible with wanting to see bad townies shot at night. Good god.
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Alright, I'm going out for a chess match, and I should be back before deadline. If for some retarded reason I get lynched and VE is on the wagon at close, take a good hard look at him.
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I return.
Funny how Zealos has gone quiet while all the action has been going down.
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Katina is in fact playing this game in a vacuum
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VE: you said you were happy with a Jeb lynch. Do you believe he's scum?
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You seem awfully certain, HiroPro.
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On May 23 2012 06:48 HiroPro wrote:
If he was town, than why the hell would he not post anything of value. Town who are dying give reads. This guy's just scum who doesn't want to reveal shit.
You don't know much about a lot of townies in TL Mafia do you :/
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Hrmph. I want to lynch into Katina/HiroPro/Zealos tomorrow.
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On May 23 2012 07:10 EchelonTee wrote:
careful marv, mafia will shoot you and then everyone will ignore your dying words lolol
Don't be silly dear, I'm not important enough to shoot
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On May 23 2012 07:13 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 07:10 marvellosity wrote:
Hrmph. I want to lynch into Katina/HiroPro/Zealos tomorrow. Do you think you will be able to make a good case on any of them or should i attempt one
What an odd question. You attempt a case on whoever you think is scummiest, how's that for a plan?
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Acid, your certainty is endearing
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Acid isn't scum, he's tunneling me like a baws
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Nova, pro-tip: getting into an argument with VE isn't going to help you, him, or anybody.
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On May 23 2012 07:19 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 07:14 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 07:13 Nova_Terra wrote:On May 23 2012 07:10 marvellosity wrote:
Hrmph. I want to lynch into Katina/HiroPro/Zealos tomorrow. Do you think you will be able to make a good case on any of them or should i attempt one What an odd question. You attempt a case on whoever you think is scummiest, how's that for a plan? meh. we'll see
What in god's name do you mean by 'we'll see'? You may fucking grace us by making a case?
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On May 23 2012 07:22 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 07:20 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 07:19 Nova_Terra wrote:On May 23 2012 07:14 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 07:13 Nova_Terra wrote:On May 23 2012 07:10 marvellosity wrote:
Hrmph. I want to lynch into Katina/HiroPro/Zealos tomorrow. Do you think you will be able to make a good case on any of them or should i attempt one What an odd question. You attempt a case on whoever you think is scummiest, how's that for a plan? meh. we'll see What in god's name do you mean by 'we'll see'? You may fucking grace us by making a case? Yep, beautiful idea i should think
VE: this is why I want Nova shot.
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On May 23 2012 20:51 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 20:17 froggynoddy wrote:On May 23 2012 13:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
hey at least with me here it looks like the game is really active and people take sides on stuff Yeah but useless stuff in terms of scumhunting. I have been inactive due to work and sunny weather. Have been catching up on the thread this morning. I unfortunately did not get to put my vote off Katina as I only got back to the thread post lynch. If I had done I would have probably voted N_T. @VE: Perhaps I'm being thick but are your suspicions on WBG simply because you think he's been dodging you? That seems an exceedingly stupid thing to do as scum no? @Acid: Are you still confident on a marv lynch? Your case on him seems like the strongest so far (which still isnt much tbf). I would still like him to explain how he came about his reversal, but I'm not sure I'll be voting him again at the start of Day 2. First I want to read the thread again, specifically how the Jeb lynch happened, who pointed fingers and who followed, that sort of thing.
You're not going to get one that satisfies you, I fear. I want scum and/or anti-town dead. I voted for scum (or so I thought) and at the time Nova seemed like a good vig shot, townie or not. Is this pushing a scum agenda? Maybe you could interpret it that way, but it's not the case. froggy, you should certainly know I'm not so openly risky as scum.
Anyway, I have other people on my mind now. Here's hoping Nova makes some kickass cases to disprove my scepticism.
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EBWOP: if you seriously think I'd push something like that as mafia, you're out of your mind.
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On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
So Marvellosity, you've got 4 bullets in your gun, who dies and why?
I'm thrilled you ask.
I present Zealos the Contradictor.
Nothing is coherent.
The Mouldy Jeb and scumreads affair. Firstly I'm just going to requote my earlier post. Mouldy is a scumread except he's town except he's voting for him except he's not a strong scumread except he is a scumread except he's probably town.
On May 23 2012 00:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:16 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:09 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. This isn't acceptable. You're effectively throwing your day 1 vote away because you can't be bothered to spend the time to form a proper opinion. Not the case. My opinion is that Jeb should be lynched. The reason is twofold. 1. He is still a strong scumread, even though I said it was more likely that he is bad town. 2. That he has lurked, then been less than useless to town. I think he is a strong lynch, regardless of whether I have a strong scumread. So people, what do we think of Zealos? He votes on MouldyJeb who he thinks is bad town. He tells me he doesn't have a strong scumread. Then he reiterates that in fact Mouldy IS a strong scumread, even though he is likely town (seriously, wtf). Contradictions abound.
Check out particularly the things I had bolded in the nested quotes. This ties in heavily to whether or not Zealos has scumreads. Because apparently on day 1 he was happy to lynch someone he thought was bad town.
On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it.
This post in particular abdicates any duty to search for scum and lynch them day 1. When Zealos left last night, he did not have any strong scumreads (apart from Mouldy. who wasn't actually a strong read. etc).
On May 23 2012 17:57 Zealos wrote:
Just woke up. Lynch is a shame, but worse things can happen, I've got some pretty good scumreads to post, and I'll do them just before deadline to avoid getting killed if possible/gives me time to put together a decent case(s)
But what's this? The lynch has passed, Zealos has just woken up - and now he magically has 'pretty good' scumreads. Where did these come from? In his sleep? Why were they not posted, you know, during the time we lynch people?
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The 'case' on Acro and inconsistent application of arguments:
On May 21 2012 18:30 Zealos wrote:
I'm voting Acro because for the time being he is the best choice in my opinion. ET's case makes sense to me. Add this to the fact that in the last game he was scum he played similar to the way he is in this game, yet wasn't lynched, and I don't want to make the same mistake again. If he can start posting usefully, then it would help alleviate some of this suspicion.
On May 21 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 19:53 Acrofales wrote:
@Zealos: if I were to go by GoT mafia I would lynch you off the bat: you were the 5th scum, the way you played that. Your reads were terrible that game and scumteam was rather happy to keep you around. I would try not to draw attention to that game if I were you. Sheeping ET is maybe marginally better than actually trying to follow your own reads, so kudos. Trying to get the attention off you by using a personal insult about the first game I ever played seems a bit shit, you got anything to say about the actual case I made, instead of about me?
Zealos' 'case' on Acro consisted of "you seem to be playing similarly to your scummy meta". He and I may have different interpretations of what means what in Mafia, but this does not a case make. What is Acro supposed to say? Yes? No? Ok?
The only part of his case is an attempt at meta.
Funny, then, how he completely disregards meta while attacking me. I'm cropping the following post because I'm going to use it again.
On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself. He seems very good at pointing out problems, asking questions and what not, but I want to know who you want to kill and why
The point is, useful townies don't use the thread as a place to have a conversation, they use it to root out scum.
"Could I just point out" he asks innocently. Given how he was so keen to bring up Acro's meta, it's awfully negligent for him to ignore mine. A cursory check on my games indicates I post a lot, regardless of alignment. For example, I have an 8 page filter as my only scum game in LIV in a 79 page game. I have a 12 page filter from LIII when I played town and died just before page 100. I post a lot regardless of alignment.
His part on me with relation to Acro:
On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:Not to mention from the very start he distances himself from Acro, instead of trying to make himself look more innocent: I understand the reasoning, but it seems like a free copout for acro's scummy posting. Not to mention he makes a lot of small posts with very little use for them other than to seem active.
Again, he's putting suspicion on to me, but for what? He completely neglects to mention that the part he's talking about, I even provided a direct link to what I said when I last replaced into a game. It seems like a free copout for Acro's posting? What the fuck am I supposed to do about Acro's posting? It's just insidious. And again with the lots of posts comment when if he was consistent he would know that I post like that.
On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself.
Handily glosses over that I was one of the first players to make a coherent case on Mouldy:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2012 23:01 marvellosity wrote:Just had a good go over Mouldy and I think he might actually be a pretty good lynch. Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 18:37 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
hi- now my presence is known. saying "get rid of a veteran" indicates that you are worried that an experienced Mafia player will either weasel you out~ if your mafia or kill you if you are not so due to this rash decision to get rid of competition so on that note #vote:Nova_Terra I don't understand this. An experienced mafia player would kill nova as a prime target? Unlikely. Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 20:54 Mouldy Jeb wrote:tera~ this game is full of people jumping to conclusions so don't get a bit pissed  This implies that his previous post was 'jumping to conclusions'. Basically admitting his last post was rubbish. Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 21:39 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
an apt point, i was making a split second judgement I'm not saying I'm against you I'm just stating at that time you seemed to have the most random vote based only on the fact he was a vet. also my vote isn't by far final He's voting for him, but he's not against him? A final sentence indicating he's happy to back down from his vote. Then why make it? Just because other people are doing so? Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 07:10 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
mattchew, just because im considering that my vote may have been based on an ill judgement doesn't mean im scum just means ill have to wait till tomorrow to consolidate all the evidence from each persons posts to conjure up a decision on who to vote for. Ok, we're gonna have evidence consolidated from each person's post leading to a reasoned vote. Glad to hear it. Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 22:22 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
early game i suspected nova because of rash decision making from his part and myself assuming the worst, matchew voting for me which wasn't given a viable explanation so i would be inclined to vote for matchew due to his random train of thought against others ## vote:mattchew Gonna have to disagree with Mouldy on what consolidated evidence means I think. "inclined" to vote based on "random train of thought against others" - what does this even mean? It rather seems he's jumping on an easy wagon that's already started, because he's been voted against by said player, with a nonsensical reason. Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. ??? Overall - votes for Nova and admits it wasn't a proper vote, wishy washy about what the vote meant - basically his posts are just setting himself up to back down from the vote on Nova. A promise of consolidated evidence instead followed by a vote with a barely understandable explanation. Also going back to my earlier posts, he is hard to understand and does not post his thoughts clearly (well, actually he seems not to have clear thoughts anyway). At this time I would prefer a Jebjeb lynch. His posting both seems scummy while at the same time hard to understand. ##Unvote: Mattchew
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In Summary: Zealos blatantly contradicts himself as to whether he has scumreads on day 1, not able to keep up a consistent story. He abdicates responsibility for providing scumreads, but appears with them during the night, having formed them in his sleep. He attempts to use meta to attack Acrofales, but totally neglects to check my meta when attacking me.
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On May 24 2012 00:37 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 21:39 marvellosity wrote:
EBWOP: if you seriously think I'd push something like that as mafia, you're out of your mind. Sure you would. Typical scum. Act all scummy and then act indignant when called out. "Oh come on if I was scum I would never be so obvious about it! Pschaw!"
I am not 'typical scum'. I am marvellosity. There's a difference. I just finished playing scum in LIV. I never had any sort of case made against me there. Why? Because I can avoid the spotlight if I so desire. The closest anyone came to anything that game was 'he soft defended a scum once'.
I would be a terrible scum player if I let myself come in for this flak, over... what? Wanting to kill Nova Terra? Hardly a grand prize.
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