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On May 29 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
Yeah so, VE is 100% confirmed town, a vet by many peoples standards, pushed WBG's lynch in a pro-town manner (not JUST yelling and screaming but also asking individuals by name to respond to the case) and he would be playing against his win-con to be lying or pushing WBG on purpose if he was town. I think thats enough for me and any townie to vote WBG on
I don't know whether I think we should continue with VE's plan atm but I do think we have to acknowledge the, at this point, real possibility that he just screwed up and made a mistake. We're gonna be at lylo tomorrow and if we follow through with what VE said we have to be sure that he knew what he was saying and was pointing everyone in the right direction.
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That wasn't about his intent, obviously his intent was pro-town and he believed what he was saying, but vets are not infallible. Still as I said I don't know and I think a huge amount will depend on the NK for this.
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On May 29 2012 14:14 Nova_Terra wrote:
So either froggy or myself die tonight, although at this point I think it will be froggy so that hiro doesn't die. If hiro was a townie he would die and everyone would lynch me and gg, but that won't happen.
That doesn't make sense, why would they shoot hiro if he was town, that would show that you're either not DT or got that read wrong but obviously we know you're not scum in that situation because if you were why would you put that shot in, even if this is WIFOM it still would be pretty clear you're not scum because it would be dumb of you to waste a shot on a scummy-looking town and put yourself in danger when you could shoot confirmed town in froggy. I know you said that's why it will likely be froggy but just to be clear that it doesn't make sense for the shot to have a bearing on your or hiro's alignment.
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I donno all else aside I think it's pretty obvious at this point [vote]Hiro[/vote] I mean NT was obviously telling the truth about his reads, that weird vet thing aside he was telling the truth about being DT and that means he was honest about his reads which means the only reason not to lynch Hiro (especially in lylo) is if we think he was framed or is a miller. For the frame I just see no reason scum would choose him he was one of many scummy looking people that night and it would be unbelievably lucky of them to choose to frame him right when NT checked him. (I suppose we should see if he crumbed the check but I don't think he said he did and think he would've said) As to the miller possibility, I guess it's there but the check along with that Hiro looked scummy in the first place make me like his lynch way more than any of the other possible WIFOM-fest options we have available.
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EBWOP - whoops I forgot that we don't have that bbcode function...
##Vote HiroPro
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Okay well I definitely think we should leave it on hiro, he is absolutely our closest to confirmed scum and we're at lylo. Moreover I don't even really see what WBG is saying about how scum should have killed froggy, I was under the impression that DTs are pretty good and letting a claimed DT live is in general a pretty bad move for the scumteam, even if he's not necessarily believed at the moment. Also Hiro's here and he's not trying to push the lynch away, if he were town then he would know that this lynch going through is game-over we lose, but instead we get... a picture.
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That explaining is myself being unbelievably busy and not getting the chance to really see or read the kat case, also I absolutely still like Hiro for our next lynch, we literally have a confDT who got a red read on Hiro.
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I'm fine with 24 hour days, I think a tunkeg lynch is a bad idea ##Vote: Hiro
confirmed DT check
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GG guys, I apologize for lurking, I won't try to convince you it was a strat for me, I just had and put in less time than I should have. The only thing I would really like to point out is that I think towns on TL are way too focused on vets. I actually didn't want to shoot a vet in part as a matter of pride and a way of saying that them being a vet didn't make them some magic scumhunting machine but even beyond that people were so convinced they couldn't both be town (and I'm really not just talking about VE's tunnel of WBG this was a sentiment a lot of people had) or both survive to a few days in and be town and even if being a vet does make them a ton more useful (I will say WBG had me scared the day before we killed him, maybe froggy was the better shot but I thought WBG had us cold) the disadvantages of people being so convinced they would die if they were town cancelled much of that out.
Also of course thank you so much Artanis and Greymist, sorry if the game was not up to the standards you had hoped for.
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