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We've already spent half a day waving dicks around. Lets not start another testosterone fuelled duel.
@Matt: you feel like your Roleplay style was as clear as writing in sentences, yet you switch to playing normal once you see that you need to intervene forcibly. This implies that even you found it hard to communicate all that needed to be said.
@Marv: Unless you feel like Matt's style was scummy I suggest you back off. Matt seemed to have switched for the good of town rather than to save himself. This to me gives Matt some credit. I for one did not find his roleplay scummy though I do think it limited his content.
Now kiss and make up... unless you think the other is scum, if so write a case.
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FFS, if either of you is town then you know that arguing about potentially bad play is as anti-town as the bad-play itself (unless it is part of make a case against scum), especially as Matt has now stopped roleplaying.
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Well I'm not sure what to make of the Zealos vs Zelblade thing. The zealos lynch looks awfully similar to the Mouldy mislych, but I think Zealos seems scummier. I feel uncomfortable with the concept 'we should pick one of two' as it leaves the lynch even more open to scum control, in fact I'm going to go and check who said that as that seems like something hugely anti-town. Consolidating a lynch in the last 12 hours is one thing, but narrowing conversation on two players in first 24hours of the game is just plain awful for town.
I still think N_T and Katina are most likely to flip scum. Katina, lurking Day 1 is almost viable townie strat, Day 1 and Day 2... Get constructive.
##Unvote
##Vote Katina
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Limiting the lynch to two players is pro-scum, as manipulative scum can make sure that those two options are townie. I'm not saying we shouldn't consolidate, just I don't see why we shouldn't push our first choice lynches and then compromise.
I pretty much agree with Tunkegs emotive state as I feel pretty much that way too. VE is being irrational, WBG is baiting him, Matt and Marv are being abusive, Katina is lurking in an anti-town way, now Tunkeg is giving up, N_T played an anti-town D1. All these players have or are hurting town... and none of them are currently on the lynch shortlist. This town does indeed have a sucky atmosphere.
That said giving up and promising some amazing insight is not helping, hence why I listed Tunkeg as acting anti-town. What is hilarious is that in such a town atmosphere, the optimal scum play is actually to post calm objective rational posts, like Nevillus and Acid. This is exactly what Marv and I did in LIV and it worked like a charm.
All I can say is I urge all those butthurt players to swallow your pride and resort to pushing your cases rather than kill town with your ego.
I'm voting Katina because I think lurking day 2 with no reasoned out post is the scummiest thing anyone has done so far, I still find N_T's change in posting style highly suspicious. If I had to consolidate I would go for Zealos, or even Tunkeg over Zelblade. I wouldn't be happy about it though.
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##Unvote
##Vote HiroPro
You die tomorrow if you are lying.
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EBWOP: if you are correct I'm pushing for a Marv lynch tomorrow.
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stop oohing and ahing and decide what you are going to do.
I for one vote we go for HiroPro and kill/vig shoot Zealos if he's lying. Make a decision or at least criticise my decision rather than posting 'shock-horror' posts/going to your scumQT to discuss how you are going to act.
I find it a little odd that Zealos DT would choose HiroPro as target (their argument happened after Night deadline), all Hiro had done was push Mouldy (after Marv had done already) and started pressuring Tunkeg... This is now making me doubt the claim.
Zealos, why did you choose Hiro Pro as check target?
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Can someone tell me how much time before the lynch?
Fuck it, I'm calling bull on you Zealos, everything you have just said seems so constructed after the fact (i.e. after you dropped the detect breadcrumb), plus your reasoning on Hiro seems really weak (i.e. an incomplete process of elimination).
##Unvote
##Vote Zealos
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So, you're saying Zealos is not scum because you think Katina is scum? The Zealos lynch seems to be happening regardless of what Katina voted, so scum Katina has more reason to bus her teammate no?
Regardless this seems really weak WIFOM mattchew. Though I absolutely understand your reluctance to vote Zealos (trust me, this has been the hardest decision in TL mafia) I don't feel Katina's vote means much at all.
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Viscera the same can be said of the reverse. If Zealos flips town we can kill Hiro tomorrow.. Zealos is unlikely to live the night anyway, though I guess if we have a medic he could do and that would either waste a KP or give us another check... Shit am really torn on this. The choice to check HiroPro seems just so unlikely and his reasoning so bad!
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On May 26 2012 04:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ya guys, he's lying. We're good.
Care to explain?
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I also said you were bainting and I stand by it. Though it was mainly out of passivity and I honestly think VE was going crazy... for a moment it felt like you were a couple and you had broken up or something cuz he went loco. I apologise if it offended you but I was pissed off at the amount of anti-towniness that was happening (hence my butthurt remark in the same post).
More importantly Bugs, do you believe Zealos?
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Zealos looks like you're our lynch then. Should we be wrong apart from Hiro who do you think is scum?
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On May 26 2012 05:51 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 05:47 froggynoddy wrote:
Zealos looks like you're our lynch then. Should we be wrong apart from Hiro who do you think is scum? 1. Mattchew filter 2. EchelonTee filter 3. Wherebugsgo filter 4. Tunkeg filter 5. Acid~ filter 6. Zealos filter 7. HiroPro filter 8. Mouldy Jeb filter 9. Katina filter 10. Navillus filter 11. Acrofales filter Marvellosity filter 12. Nova_Terra filter 13. VisceraEyes filter 14. zelblade filter 15. Froggynoddy filter One of the above, take your pick.
Wait what? You think there are only two scum?
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Well played Marv, your post helped to push my doubts about Zealos' claim into action (i.e. swapping my vote). Of Katina and Acid who would we most want to kill tomorrow? I need to look at Acid's filtre as if what WBG says is true then he may be a better target than Katina (despite my previous votes on her).
Re why pick Hiro over N_T? Perhaps because N_T is scum and though the gambit proposed by B is a risky one Zealos was already grasping at straws trying to prevent a bandwagon and such a gambit seems awfully risky. All N_T has done is sheep/buddy Marv and though I think Katina and Acid are better targets I hope people take a better look at him.
I'm going to sleep and moving out tomorrow but I'll be in touch witht he thread hopefully on and off.
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What was going for Katina Day 1 goes for Acid today.
We are men of action, lies do not become us.
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On May 26 2012 19:07 Nova_Terra wrote:
rofl nothing new while i was asleep, aka. massive amounts of arguing, froggy making another Oh im back Nova is scum tunnel which everyone ignores, tunkeg getting a bad idea and playing in a different way than he said he would
lets lynch acid next
for vig shot i'd say Katina or Hiro, im not dealing with a ton of wifom shit
after acid gets lynched and katina dies, we just lynch froggy too and then proceed to win
As opposed to your great powers of insight... Note that I am not tunnelling you, I am calling your play suspicious but think other players are leaning more scum than you. Stop trying to discredit me and start using your astounding powers of spam-alot to discredit the argument.
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Hey guys. I vigshot Acid. Among a Shitty phone so cannot quote my breadcrumbs but day 1 I said that 'i shoot inactive katina'. I decided to go for acid as I felt his behaviour regarding zealos was really scummy. I quoted from princess bride and linked to my breadcrumb regarding katina. Unfortunately was moving home and had no decent internet and missed acids later activity. Apologies to him and to town.
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Am so sorry guys, moving into the countryside and not having internet has really made it difficult to play. This is not an excuse, this is an apology.
##Vote VisceraEyes
I'm voting VE for a few reasons.
1. He's been acting really weird with this WBG thing. Note he hasn't actually made a formal case against him, he's only been perpetuating this weird feud thats going on. VE has always been aggressive, but he's never acted (in my limited experience) so irrationally. If he thought WBG is town he would try and convince us, not constantly attack WBG.
2. His Medic claim is the dumbest thing ever. Even I wouldn't protect me D1, I was one of the lurkiest and players and also not super important to town in terms of my scumhunting skills (I freely admit this).
3. This:
On May 28 2012 00:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
/salute
Wait, it's still as I said before - if I flip town you guys better flip Bugs next. There's literally no way we're both town at this point and anyone who doesn't see that has really been taken in by scum this game.
At any rate, I'll cooperate fully as I promised.
A small scumslip but added to his general behaviour I cannot see him flipping anything other than red
I am also doubtful of N_T 's claim. Apart from me he wasnt under any real pressure so claiming now makes very little sense. Yes he may want to give us a definite red as Hiro but surely he should have tried pushing this without claiming at first to see he could slip in another DT check N3, it just seems like a silly move (though a less silly move than VE's. I could see it as trying to divert attention away from VE onto HiroPro. Another scum motivation for these potential fakeclaims would be to out the real Blues.
Which leads us to Matthchew's post:
On May 28 2012 02:01 Mattchew wrote:Ok guys, the way I see it we have 2 fights. VisceraEyes vs Wherebugsgo
and
Nova_tera vs HIropro We have the 2 claims of VE (Doc) and NT (Det). I firmly believe that ANY BLUE ROLE SHOULD COME FORWARD AND CLAIM NOW, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE 2 ROLES. Also, I believe we should be voting on the NT vs Hiro case because we get a confirmed scum out of the claim (NT if Hiro flips green and Hiro if NT isn't lying) despite how confident VE is in his read I was wrong about the Zealos vs Hiropro situation so I would like more opinions on them before I make my vote. Right now I side with believe NT and would like to vote Hiropro
... added to what has been said regarding VE and NT this looks like a pretty slick scumplay. This is clearly a huge assumption and I am not nearly as certain of NT and Mat as I am of VE. I just wanted to post my thoughts as I was unsure as to when I might post again.
Again apologies but real life has ****ed me over bigtime.
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EBWOP: I mean 'concerted scumplay' not slick.
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