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On May 30 2012 12:11 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 12:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Bugs can you maybe read Zealos and answer the question posed to you properly before you expect everyone to sheep someone who admittedly hasn't even read all of the thread? It's one thing to have an opposing viewpoint, it's entirely a different story when you admit to just dismissing the other viewpoint. whether or not I've read the rest of the thread is pretty irrelevant when the guy I'm attacking isn't even interested in playing the game.
[spoiler]IwillnottunnelbugsIwillnottunnelbugsIwillnottunnelbugs[spoiler]
Guy, seriously...you're acting like YOU'RE not even interested in playing the game the way you're playing.
Bugs: "Look at this guy with 2 posts kill it!"
Others: "But Bugs what about Zealos"
Bugs: "I haven't read Zealos, sheep me!"
Others: "Bugs what about these other candidates?"
Bugs: "My lynch of choice isn't picking up traction - only one explanation...scum interference! Sheep me if you're not scum!"
Like...play with us guy!
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On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
There you have it. Nice work Matt.
Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^
Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think?
He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita.
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On May 30 2012 12:33 GreYMisT wrote:
Play nice, or I will ruin you.
/cower
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This should be good. Rereading now.
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MZ this is about not voting Kita isn't it? It is isn't it?
##Vote: Kitaman27
Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here.
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Kitaman's entire case against me is that I've been actively pushing mafia objectives. I wonder what those motivations are. He's got an issue with the fact that I didn't want Toad elected, however he says himself one of his very first posts:
On May 28 2012 04:08 kitaman27 wrote:
Hmm, mason would be a great claim for a lyncher. Doesn't matter if he's telling the truth on day two since he's already won by then.
As much as I'd like to see a town role elected, we can't automatically assume toad is town.
What's funny about the whole thing is that his alignment was not a factor to me. Obviously I want town to occupy the role, but my entire contention with Toad in the role was the fact that a mason who's not aware of his partner's alignment is automatically more prone to manipulation. Simply because only Toad reads it, if he's in contact with scum then they're 100% guaranteed to manipulate his use of whatever power he gains by being elected.
The reason I hadn't voted for kitaman is because I wanted to see if MZ voted for him today. He expressed suspicion of him yesterday and I wanted to see if he meant it come dawn. Apparently he didn't, so I'm pushing this one alone. I'm going to make a full case, but I wanted to briefly address the points against me.
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Kita's response to my first post about him contains some pretty subtle things I wanted to point out.
On May 28 2012 15:23 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why would Kitaman care about keeping the Leader position out of the hands of the Lyncher? -_- Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
My point is, this is the sole purpose of Kita's post endorsing "someone random". By that logic also, it seems Kitaman isn't concerned about electing a TOWNIE into the position, it seems his only inspiration is to "avoid electing the Lyncher". lol I random voted Hyaach with the hope that he would post. I still feel its optimal to elect someone who didn't declare their candidacy in the first 24 hours, but Hyaach doesn't have nearly enough posts to warrent being elected. I'll have to decide tomorrow between the candidates. You mentioned earlier that I'm not interested in being elected, which is untrue. I would be perfectly content with being mayor. Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Again...something I found odd was Kita's insistence that we end discussion on the topic of Toad being elected Vice Leader. First of all, if anything was distracting it was whether the role is useless or not. But that's not the point that Kitaman chose to end on...he wanted the discussion of who is Vice-Leader to be over, and he wanted the conclusion to be that Toad is elected. Odd or scummy?I'm not sure what is so strange to you. Toad role claims mason, which means he is either a lyncher or a mason. Therefore, we elect him as pardoner where he can do no harm and benefit town by denying the role that shortens the game by one cycle. Seems like a completely reasonable conclusion to me. Do you disagree that Toad should be elected?Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 15:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Yeah VE I'd be down for a sinensis lynch. If we went for him I'd write up a proper analysis and shit but I think it's fairly obvious from the past several pages why he has to go. Humor us? Too tired to re-read the thread tonight. Tomorrow I'll have to give my thoughts about the lynch.
First, his response to my first question was inadequate...for all we know, once the Lyncher achieves the Lyncher's objectives, the Lyncher leaves the game. I know it's not expressly written as such in the OP, but it makes sense that if a lynch can happen D1 then the Lyncher can win D1 and no one wants to play a game that can end before N1. It makes sense to assume that even given perfect Lyncher conditions, the game can still be played. But the point that I was trying to make (and the point that Kitaman fails STILL to explain) is why he's SO FOCUSED ON THE LYNCHER. He doesn't respond in this post except for ._. or whatever.
Look at the red bolded statement. In context, it appears that he's trying to make it seem as if I'm trying to skirt around calling him scummy...yet this entire post he's responding to is about him and it's clear that I find him suspicious. That's the key here - it's not "skirting around calling someone scum" when it's clear that you're suspicious of them. My use of the word odd WAS meant to imply scummy, but the fact that he questions me about that makes it seem as though I intentionally avoided calling him scummy when in fact it wasn't necessary for me to do so. Subtle, yet effective.
Now look at the blue italicized statement. Again, he asks a needless question for a specific purpose. I've gone on and on at this point that I absolutely do NOT want Toad elected to any position...but Kitaman specifically asks me this question "Do you disagree that Toad should be elected?" to A) make it appear that town consensus is that Toad should be elected (it was not) and B) make me out to be scummy for disagreeing. I know this, because if he were town and suspicious of me he would have read my posts and realized that I didn't want Toad elected, and would not have asked me this question.
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GOD DAMNIT
There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher.
##Unvote
Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today.
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I can't look at this thread a second longer tonight, so I'm going to bed.
##Vote: Gambit
Because 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town.
Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live.
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Speaking of balance...more than 1 3rd party in the game sounds decidedly NOT normal. Just sayin. Catching up.
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What is everyone's problem with my play? I can't answer for accusations that aren't present. People are talking about wanting to lynch me, but no one seems to know why. Can someone help me out here?
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On May 31 2012 00:59 Toadesstern wrote:
have you not read my mayoral campaing?
We don't lynch into WBG, we don't lynch into Foru (because dead), we don't lynch into me, we don't lynch into wiggles.
That's already 4 vets we're not willing to lynch into. Makes Kita / VE look pretty bad imo, even without meta.
Like, you're "confirmed town" right? I get why we don't lynch you...but why not lynch Wiggles or Bugs? Wiggles because he has an extra vote and looks town right? Bugs? Because he got hit? Did we completely forget that I claimed RB? And furthermore, we can rule out "jailed" because it appears Bugs was jailed right? So that leaves Roleblocked in the standard sense and that means that I can't be scum.
I don't have a compelling reason why I'm not 3rd party, aside from the fact that we've killed one already and like I said, multiple 3rd parties in a Normal game doesn't seem possible.
So again: why in the piss am I even being considered for lynch by anyone but Kitaman?
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LOL Kita
I'm making........TOAST!!!
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Kita are you town?
I mean, obviously I have doubts...but I was unable to make a cohesive case against you last night when I tried. I think you're playing a pretty manipulative game, but not necessarily scummy after trying to build a case. I'm willing to work with you if you're town.
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On May 31 2012 01:38 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 01:31 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 31 2012 00:59 Toadesstern wrote:
have you not read my mayoral campaing?
We don't lynch into WBG, we don't lynch into Foru (because dead), we don't lynch into me, we don't lynch into wiggles.
That's already 4 vets we're not willing to lynch into. Makes Kita / VE look pretty bad imo, even without meta. Like, you're "confirmed town" right? I get why we don't lynch you...but why not lynch Wiggles or Bugs? Wiggles because he has an extra vote and looks town right? Bugs? Because he got hit? Did we completely forget that I claimed RB? And furthermore, we can rule out "jailed" because it appears Bugs was jailed right? So that leaves Roleblocked in the standard sense and that means that I can't be scum. I don't have a compelling reason why I'm not 3rd party, aside from the fact that we've killed one already and like I said, multiple 3rd parties in a Normal game doesn't seem possible. So again: why in the piss am I even being considered for lynch by anyone but Kitaman? wiggles can die himself just fine (I loved when the hound said that to joffrey  ) Bugs is a vet but replaced in for someone else so unless we consider role-swapping after d1 had started I'd say he's not within the circle of vets that should be considered for balance.
But Wiggles is more of a vet than Bugs! What are you even going on about?
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Oh I see what you're saying.
nvm, you're carrying on Ken's work. He's better at it than you. Carry on if you want I guess.
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Because like you I need vet support to ly.ch a vet. Nothing strange about that.
No, from your first post you've made it clear that I'm not welcome in your order. Even now you speak in the past tense...indicating that even if it wear possible, the time is passed.
It doesn't matter now. You don't want me to work with you even though by your estimation I'm skilled enough to "lead the scumteam"...which I find maddening.
I hope your.conviction is as strong as your.suspicion. I'm town and I won't be just LETTING you lynch me.
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Toad.I am trying not to talk to you like an idiot...trying something new where you are.concerned. If I had known you would think its antitown for me to do so I wouldn't have bothered.
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I slept on it. I took the fact that I couldn't make a case on you and the fact that my entire contention with you is about tone and one aspect of your play (focusing on the lyncher) to mean that maybe I'm just wrong.
I pushed your death D1 and N1 because you were my strongest read. My read hasn't REVERSED as you imply, you're by no means obvTown to me, but if we work together I feel like I can get a better read on you than if you just keep pushing me and I keep pushing you.
I'm trying to learn from my mistakes. Let me bro.
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Dude Hassy is playing this game? wtf?
Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk.
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