TL Mafia LV - Page 6

Alright, so...guess it's that time. Currently looking at hyaach and kenpachi, ET confirmed and marv not an option in my mind. Anyone who gets a scummy vibe from him ought to note it, but none of us seem to do so.

Shots seems to have been aimed at more veteran players this entire game, so marv and ET i'd like your thoughts on the remaining scum. I figure I've been left alive because I'm new and have a poor track record of correct reads, so I don't expect to die.

As far as I go, here are my thoughts.

Hyaach
Here's what I had on hyaach before - + Show Spoiler +

On June 13 2012 23:25 austinmcc wrote:
Every time I reread Hyaach, I get the same thing. I'll just point out a few posts or trends that get at me.

He's got a lot of townie looking posts concerning VE/Zealos/Gambit/Wiggles. During the day we lynched VE, he's a fan of voting for scum and having VE shoot the other, and still constantly referencing Wiggles.

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On June 05 2012 15:41 Hyaach wrote: Does roleblocker gets notified if they successfully blocked an night action

- Why ask this? Why does town care whether a roleblocker gets notified that he blocked someone with a night action? Although I can't see why mafia would come out and ask this in thread, the question just doesn't sit right with me. Heck, the more I look at it the more this stands out as the most curious thing he's done all game. If he's town, why the heck does he want to know this? If he's mafia, why is he asking this in thread?

The real bit that gets me is the last couple days, where he just switches his stance on wiggles. There's a whole series of posts designed to drive him this idea that Wiggles preference for a Maju lynch over a Manason lynch just wipes the slate clean and leaves Wiggles as town - + Show Spoiler +

On June 08 2012 02:06 Hyaach wrote:
Before I go to bed, i was initially suspicious of Wiggles for his absence and just popping in at the right time jump on the ship that has just sailed off. But his case on Maju over Manason made me thought different. His town to me right now

On June 08 2012 19:10 Hyaach wrote:
But I don't see Wiggles as gf right now but Maju's flip will tell us. He pushed Maju before Manason and now is pushing Maju again.

On June 08 2012 19:53 Hyaach wrote:
Yes Im implying if Maju flips scum wiggles is town.

I'm a little torn with these posts because while it seems like he's trying to bolster wiggles' towncred when maju/mana flip, it also seems like he's way overdoing it. Either he's being more forceful than he was supposed to in pushing this idea, or he's scum and wiggles is town and this is a great set-up to get Wiggles mislynched.

It's also somewhat curious that he's only particularly active when there's a plan afoot. Some nonsensical posts early, but then once we start talking about Zealos/G32/VE he pops up and all of a sudden he's active and takes firm stances. I go off the deep end and he pops up to swim around with me. We hit the final stretch and he pops up to discuss his defense and wiggles' towniness. He doesn't appear to be doing much other than getting active when the thread is active, and even then, he doesn't appear to be adding much of substance, which I don't like.

I'm still of more or less the same mind. We know he wasn't setting up Wiggles for a mislynch, so either he legitimately had a scumread on wiggles or was trying to help boost wiggles's cred. His posts during the VE lynch are either bussing half his team (he was pushing zealos, G32, wiggles) or he's townie. There's also the option that zealos and G32 were marked for death at that point/afk, which makes the bus a little more likely in my mind, because then those two guys aren't of any value to the scumteam and so you can add them to a single bus on wiggles and look extra good.

Kenpachi
Going to read some of his old games I guess. While he may be known for a small filter, his filter the last few days is entirely unhelpful. Ever since serious suspicion got thrown his way, he's shut down. If you guys know whether this is normal kenpachi behavior, let me know. But, whereas early on he'd at least say "x is scummy" and maybe give a reason, recently there's nothing. Wiggles is scummy, hyaach is scummy, shoot em shoot em. Never a reason. Never anything helpful. Never doing anything other than asking what the plan was, except to ask if I why I was towny.

We had a spot-on list as of...two lynches again? A whole real life week of scum seeing that list and knowing that 4/5 of our suspicions were scum. Maju, papa, 2 out of hyaach/ken/wiggles. Apart from wiggles writing a single defense post, there's been nothing more. Nobody challenged that list hard, trying to put me on it, or ET on it, or marv on it. But all scum needed was a single mislynch, so there's got to be some kind of plan here. After we start lynching down the list, Wiggles and Kenpachi turn on each other:

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Okay so...just check his filter. Here's a sample of just the last page of it, but the last 2 pages are pretty "Wiggles is scum"-centric

On June 11 2012 03:44 Kenpachi wrote:
before i die, reflect: why is wiggles town and im scum?

On June 11 2012 03:44 Kenpachi wrote:
i still would like to know why you think my scum buddy wiggles is town

On June 11 2012 03:44 Kenpachi wrote:
i mean, i know hes mafia please explain

On June 11 2012 05:17 Kenpachi wrote:
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.
Mr. Wiggles is Mafia.

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again, just the last page

On June 08 2012 14:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I went fishing today, so I've been busy for the last 16 hours, and I'm really tired so I'm not going to make a big post right now since I'm going straight to bed. I'm glad we're lynching Maju today, I already posted the reasons I think he's scum in the thread.

##Vote: Maju

If anyone wants me to answer anything for tomorrow, just ask.

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It's Day 5, and the best you can say is that you're null? What do you not get?

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wat?

On June 09 2012 07:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Based on the process of elimination, the scum team is Maju, Hyaach, papapanda, and Kenpachi.

I'm town, because my role PM says so. MZ and Toad are town. Scum can't be masons, and scum didn't shoot their own member on Night 1 or something equally stupid. I also believe Prob's claim, because I don't think he's ballsy enough to claim DT like that as scum. If he's still alive in two days, I might come back and look again. So for now, he's town.

I currently have town reads on all three of Austin, Marv, and ET.

So, that leaves 4 players, Maju, hyaach, papapanda, and Kenpachi. There's four scum left. GG.

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How about, instead of avoiding the question, you answer? You even bolded it for yourself. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to have a read on someone one way or the other unless you haven't bothered to read anything (no way we can tell, so that's a lame excuse) or you're purposefully not wanting to give reads (scum). Then add on that you voted for Maju, and a minute later are in the thread asking who he is and why he's scum. That made me go "wtf?" in my head, and that's why I quoted it. What made you decide to do that?

On June 09 2012 08:19 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

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It's not an argument, I'm just not including myself in a list of suspects when I know I'm town. -_______-

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Scum could have easily been given the VT role PM. It's likely considering it's not in the OP and there needs to be a way to keep people from bread-crumbing their role PMs to confirm themselves to others with the same role.

Also, Kenpachi, my question isn't a piece of shit, so why don't you answer it? What do you not understand about the case on Maju? After 5 cycles, the best you can really say about him is that you're null? That implies you don't think he's town or scum one way or the other, unless you're just abusing the word null.

Kenpachi basically tunneled Kita half the game, so perhaps he's just doing the same to Wiggles after that point. But there's precious little in their filters on why Hyaach is scum, and a whole lot of focus splitting Wiggles and Kenpachi up. If I'm Ken/Wiggles and I'm scum, I see the list of scum and I know that we've got days and days of time to just get a single mislynch. All we have to do is make it look like one of us is scum and the other isn't. I know if you guys read Hyaach as particularly scummy, this won't do anything for you. But we pushed Hyaach so hard as a scumread that neither Wiggles nor Kenpachi would have had to push him. Not kenpachi's slight pressure "we lynching hyaach today?" at the start of the last day. All they would have had to do would be wait out our hyaach lynch and win.

So...I dunno. I'm still undecided, but leaning more towards Kenpachi. I'd really like to hear from ET/marv tonight before shots, and I guess also from Hyaach and Kenpachi.

Awwww. gg all and wp marv.

For all, sorry about shitting up the thread for a day or two. The size of the game and the drop in the activity midgame made me crazy, and I'd just read Sleeper Cell I and liar game, leaving me with scum plans on the brain. All I really wanted to do was to throw MZ/Kita as a possibility, and instead I just spammed stupid crap about toad.

Shouldn't have stopped being paranoid

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On June 01 2012 07:16 austinmcc wrote:

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Very well. The number one thing - Even though he says he shot at Zealos N1, he's been all over the place D2. Town VE might swap votes and change his mind, but he was confident enough to fire at Zealos and then hasn't stuck with him hard all day today. Of course we've got new posts/information, but I don't like the movement. When your claim starts with you shooting at one of the current lynch options, then moves to a case on kita, then making the smart play and offering to fire and die tomorrow, it doesn't look good. Not a meta-reason, not "oh it's a bad breadcrumb."

Maybe it's a mislynch. Again, we've spawned something here that we've got to deal with or it's going to mess with N2 and D3. Removing that distraction, when VE seems scummy, is worth the mislynch to me.

On June 01 2012 07:56 austinmcc wrote:

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VE, before you die, I need to put on my tinfoil hat again. Several posts of yours had extra .s added in, see the one in the middle of lynch there, and I can find the others if needed. Could be just typos, but I'm pretty sure there's another explanation here that involves band-aids, toad's train, and your keyboard. U gonna own up to this?

On June 01 2012 08:00 austinmcc wrote:
Maaaaaaaaaan. G32 you got some 'splainin to do.

The way that marv was asking for info during the VE mislynch felt so scummy for me that I crumbed this so I could point back to it later if VE flipped town and I wanted to push marv. Then he felt townie for the couple days after so I dropped it

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