Yes, mason = town too.

Not even I can come up with something to make Maju look good. Relatively early vote on Gambit over Kita on D3, but that's not really enough to make him look good.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 08 2012 02:08 GMT

#2751

Toad is mason. Both MZ and Prob have confirmed they were masoned by Toad.

Prob claimed DT. Checks in order: Toad, Kita, Hassy, Wiggles

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 08 2012 22:34 GMT

#2800

Wiggles' argument is convincing, but then I noticed this post:

On May 27 2012 12:05 Kenpachi wrote:
I be earthulingu

Clearly both town?

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 09 2012 01:53 GMT

#2809

On June 09 2012 08:19 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

Show nested quote +

It's not an argument, I'm just not including myself in a list of suspects when I know I'm town. -_______-

Show nested quote +

Scum could have easily been given the VT role PM. It's likely considering it's not in the OP and there needs to be a way to keep people from bread-crumbing their role PMs to confirm themselves to others with the same role.

Also, Kenpachi, my question isn't a piece of shit, so why don't you answer it? What do you not understand about the case on Maju? After 5 cycles, the best you can really say about him is that you're null? That implies you don't think he's town or scum one way or the other, unless you're just abusing the word null.

I was joking. I know my push on MZ/Kita/Toad didn't go anywhere, but I'm not actually suggesting Kenpachi's town for claiming VT at the start.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 09 2012 21:29 GMT

#2823

I'm happy with maju/papa/kenpachi. I had hyaach town earlier, but I'm in agreement that he's been looking scummier and scummier, just hadn't really looked him over again and altered my read.

Also, in case it affects the order you guys are looking at working through the remaining scum members, I had forgotten this post:

On May 24 2012 08:20 GreYMisT wrote:
Also note that I will be allowing the Mafia team to choose which members get which roles, If you are selected as Mafia, you will be given your teammates and the QT link in your role PM, and will have 24 hours to indicate to me via TL PM who is getting what. the options will be posted in the quicktopic.

I don't see that mattering at this point in the game, but just in case anyone else had forgotten that bit I wanted to mention it.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 09 2012 21:49 GMT

#2827

Did you know that your name is an anagram of Cheap Ink?

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 10 2012 03:34 GMT

#2849

Hyaach you're digging your own grave if it wasn't dug already.

ET is the pardoner. We were 7/4 before the lynch, and we've lost a medic and jailer so we probably have no more protective roles. If ET were scum, he could have pardoned Maju.

We'd lose 2 tonight, go into tomorrow 5/4. Even if we lynch scum, we end the night 3/3 and scum wins. Kita noted the scum pardoner math before he died.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 10 2012 14:34 GMT

#2856

No more crazy juice Prob, I said I was done.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 11 2012 00:37 GMT

#2905

On board with this plan.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 11 2012 12:22 GMT

#2919

papa, earlier you wanted to lynch hyaach, finding him more suspicious than zealos/cwave/phagga/G32. But you don't want to lynch him before kenpachi and/or wiggles? Why?

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 11 2012 20:15 GMT

#2932

Nooooooooooooooooooooo. I've been trying so hard not to put the hat on again.

if there's a traitor we still win with a vet that gets shot OR if wiggles is town. The extra vote keeps us afloat as far as I do the math.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 12 2012 22:15 GMT

#2952

Hey hey hey. "A bunch of us"? Should be one, right? Better not be recycling the SK VE plan.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 12 2012 23:16 GMT

#2968

Ugh, not like I don't deserve it, but what a lovely reputation to build.

There IS a chance that both kenpachi and wiggles are scum. Everyone else would have to be town, Hyaach + the rest of us. Consider it if you'd like.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 12 2012 23:20 GMT

#2972

Oh, I don't think we've got a kenpachi/wiggles team. But you asked, and that's the only scenario in which they could be scum together.

Happy to hear things are being considered, I've got some thoughts to share once we hit day again or once masoned, but for now I guess it's back to inactivity and re-reading for this cycle.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 12 2012 23:38 GMT

#2976

Bah, it's not you this time. I don't even care if you say you're mafia. Just got some thoughts that can wait until after the NK, didn't need to share the last couple days as we lynched down the list.

I only mentioned Wiggles/Kenpachi because ET asked

On June 13 2012 08:09 EchelonTee wrote:
I honestly am not sure which of Wiggles/Kenpachi is scum. Is it really impossible that both are scum?

That's all.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 13 2012 14:25 GMT

#2982

Every time I reread Hyaach, I get the same thing. I'll just point out a few posts or trends that get at me.

He's got a lot of townie looking posts concerning VE/Zealos/Gambit/Wiggles. During the day we lynched VE, he's a fan of voting for scum and having VE shoot the other, and still constantly referencing Wiggles.

This question always strikes me as odd - + Show Spoiler +

On June 05 2012 15:41 Hyaach wrote: Does roleblocker gets notified if they successfully blocked an night action

- Why ask this? Why does town care whether a roleblocker gets notified that he blocked someone with a night action? Although I can't see why mafia would come out and ask this in thread, the question just doesn't sit right with me. Heck, the more I look at it the more this stands out as the most curious thing he's done all game. If he's town, why the heck does he want to know this? If he's mafia, why is he asking this in thread?

The real bit that gets me is the last couple days, where he just switches his stance on wiggles. There's a whole series of posts designed to drive him this idea that Wiggles preference for a Maju lynch over a Manason lynch just wipes the slate clean and leaves Wiggles as town - + Show Spoiler +

On June 08 2012 02:06 Hyaach wrote:
Before I go to bed, i was initially suspicious of Wiggles for his absence and just popping in at the right time jump on the ship that has just sailed off. But his case on Maju over Manason made me thought different. His town to me right now

On June 08 2012 19:10 Hyaach wrote:
But I don't see Wiggles as gf right now but Maju's flip will tell us. He pushed Maju before Manason and now is pushing Maju again.

On June 08 2012 19:53 Hyaach wrote:
Yes Im implying if Maju flips scum wiggles is town.

I'm a little torn with these posts because while it seems like he's trying to bolster wiggles' towncred when maju/mana flip, it also seems like he's way overdoing it. Either he's being more forceful than he was supposed to in pushing this idea, or he's scum and wiggles is town and this is a great set-up to get Wiggles mislynched.

It's also somewhat curious that he's only particularly active when there's a plan afoot. Some nonsensical posts early, but then once we start talking about Zealos/G32/VE he pops up and all of a sudden he's active and takes firm stances. I go off the deep end and he pops up to swim around with me. We hit the final stretch and he pops up to discuss his defense and wiggles' towniness. He doesn't appear to be doing much other than getting active when the thread is active, and even then, he doesn't appear to be adding much of substance, which I don't like.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 13 2012 14:39 GMT

#2983

to ET, papa's pressure on hyaach IS odd. He picks Hyaach out early, sticks with him, so if he's bussing it's relatively well-thought out. At the same time he's calling Hyaach suspicious, however, he's also calling out Gambit.

On May 30 2012 11:29 papapanda wrote:
Looking at zealos, cwave, phagga, and gambit, I would go with the gambit lynch. cwave and phagga are heading down the modkill road, and zealos at least is posting, meaning at least we have a chance to spot it if he is mafia.
Even so, hyaach is still the most suspicious from the lurkers.

On May 31 2012 07:01 papapanda wrote:
Weird that people are still picking the likes of Phagga or Zealous over Hyaach as lynch target, if based on posted material...

...

Until Gambit responds my vote would be on gambit right now.

To the extent that he's pushing Hyaach, he's also pushing G32. I will say that G32 was basically dead at the point of these posts, not like anyone was coming in here and really defending him, so the push on each isn't really equal. But if you're looking for a nice, safe, post where you can mildly call out 2-3 mafia members and then refer back to it later if they all flip before you do, this is it. No big case. No asking people to really look at them. While papa does quote Hyaach in that first quote, I snipped those quotes because they don't really add anything. He just grabs part of Hyaach's filter, drops it in, and calls it a day. It feels like a relatively...safe? set of posts. Mention G32, zealos, hyaach, don't defend any hard or push any that hard, and then fall back to this post if they flip before you do. He didn't do that however, which does trouble me somewhat, although he didn't really mount ANY defense.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 14 2012 00:20 GMT

#2995

Right now I'd prefer a Wiggles lynch to Hyaach, because I'm finding Wiggles scummier and I'd also prefer to get rid of the scummy player with 2 votes over the scummy player with 1 vote.

Can get on board with either order, but would prefer Wiggles --> Hyaach.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

June 14 2012 11:58 GMT

#3006

This bit's not really doing anything for me one way or the other.

The math is bad, because we lose if we mislynch anyone barring a vet shot. The defense is odd because "suspected Toad's circle" isn't townie, it's null. I'd still prefer a Wiggles lynch, unless you've got any particular reason to go after Hyaach first?