TL Mafia LV - Page 5

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 29 2012 21:33 GMT

#923

Yeah, I agree with the secrecy. Mason is not a role you can fake for very long (no mafia equivalent), so unless Toad just felt like dying around D3 as scum, he's alright in my book.

Unless he has some wonky 3rd party role -.-

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 29 2012 21:36 GMT

#928

Manason and Gambit are both players that I am suspicious of, so it's cool to see Forumite and WBG respectively target them. Still catching up.

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 29 2012 21:39 GMT

#929

O wow, Wiggles also noticed the SS silliness here. Interestingggg

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 29 2012 21:46 GMT

#933

What the balls?

On May 30 2012 03:33 supersoft wrote:

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okay cool. I didn't read your post and I am glad we have almost the same/similar result. interesting.

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On May 30 2012 02:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Supersoft, are you scum, or are you just acting silly on purpose?
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On May 30 2012 00:04 supersoft wrote:
hey i really appreciate your effort,
but why are you guys always trying so hard. Finding scum is a lot easier than you might think. Don't think around 3 corners. Try to catch the little things. Like that Zealos defends toad at a point when it was really useless to defend him. Neither was he in danger of getting lynched, nor is reducing the pressure that is currently put on a player helping the town. A reasonable explanation for his behaviour is that he's scum, he knows Toad is not. He wanted to get a little towncred. Or not even this, he just wanted to say something. Maybe Toad is even scum, too... See? There are plenty of reasonable explanations for his behaviour if he's scum and almost none if he's town.
It's not a super strong case, but it is a case.

Every other case so far except my toadcase (who is currently on ice until he's confirmed mason) was uncovered and not well thought out. Especially our lynch yesterday. That case was terrible. There was really nothing about it. I could write a lot about why this player was a bad lynch. From an overall gamepolicy point of view because we got no information - maybe some about wiggles - and an individual point of view, because he obviously was town.

Here you say that the case was terrible and sinensis was obviously town. As well, you say that it was a bad lynch. However, when it was actually Day 1, you said no such things. It's only now, after sinensis has flipped that you're coming in here making posts about how he was very obviously town and that the lynch was terrible. The closest (and only!) post to that from before the flip is this:

On May 29 2012 08:25 supersoft wrote:
aww yeah i filtered this sinensis real quick. Completely useless fellow, hang him if you want. Reducing disturbing noise is better than nothing. I'd prefer reducing mafia kp, but you cannot have it all :-/

In which it is not a very good defense of a player who is "obviously" town. It's not going to do anything to change someone's mind. As well, this came after I said that if elected I would lynch sinensis, so there's no excuse like what you said in this post:
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On May 29 2012 21:35 supersoft wrote:
please dont protect wiggles. i'd rather vig him than protect him. he's been completely useless so far as toad pointed out correctly.
you also should read my filter more often! all of you. dropped some truth already.

+ i want to apologize to wiggles first victim: i realized too late, that you were actually going to die. next time i'll yell much more at them. how retarded was that lynch... i think wiggles needs to die for not listening to the town at the end.
i dont buy it that he wasnt around at deadline since he was the one who got elected. i think if zealos is scum, wiggles looks really bad and should die. i doubt that he'll be able to erase the doubts then. 70% chance he's scum if zealos is.

Of not realizing I was actually going to kill him. I made that very clear in my post, where I stated, "If elected mayor, I'm planning on lynching Sinensis". I don't think it gets any clearer than that. So, you did nothing to try to convince anyone that sinensis was town, which wasn't obvious, considering I had the support of 11 people in lynching him, and you did nothing to convince me to change the lynch. However, after the lynch you're now up in arms about my lynch choice and how I've acted. So, you're either being silly, or you're trying to shovel suspicion on me because I mislynched and just became a lot easier of a target to do so on.

Here's a question for you. If you believed so strongly in these things, why do you only mention them after the flip, and not before when it actually matters and can make a difference?

I also disagree with what Toad said, but that comes down to what we thought about lynches, and who was a good lynch. Obviously, we disagreed.

Okay I have to admit, I really didn't pay enough attention to the votes. I think I already wrote that down somewhere. Bad play. Really. But as far as i know, we discussed zealos as a lynchtarget while you were still around. You didn't react and killed sinesis instead.
I dind't pay too much attention, because I thought we could swing something around in the last hour. Somehow i am used to that especially when there is one guy deciding who to lynch.
In my eyes the common sense at the end of day1 was that zealos is the best lynch. However you refused to carry out that lynch, you failed and now we're here.

Moreover I thought i don't need to defend sinsanis more than that, because we already had a better target. I mean I told you I think he's town. there is not much about it. When I thought about him later more deeply, and reread your cases, I saw that you had nothing real against him. Poor logic and nothing else. Obviously i speak that out.

Now you can't turn that around and blame me for not coming forward with that earlier?! I somehow trusted the general consens and hadn't had time yesterday to go into detail. Now I see more clearly and not because sinsasis flipped.
You guys were policy lynching him because he wanted to policylynch.

That was really bad. Really. Don't argue about that. I am not stupid.

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it's not "super scummy". You failed to explain what's so scummy about that. Your assumption that everyone votes anyone is just wrong. It won't happen. The votes will be on a few players, people can reasonable explain why they think that these particular players are town.
Regarding the lanchtarget I favored a "democratic" system independant from the mayorelection. In my eyes that would have been the most reasonable thing.

Zealos was discussed as a lynch target briefly, but only like you, Forumite, and myself actually said "I would like to lynch this guy. That's not consensus. You also spent most of the time bashing everyone else, calling us all bad, instead of actually trying to push your read. Read my damn filter. I state that I didn't think Sinensis is scum and I said why. What did you do? Nothing? Yeah, nothing.

"you told him you think he's town?" You don't even once mention that you think Sinensis is town! You're compltely, unashamedly lying in this post here. And you didn't even notice the votes?? You didn't know that me and Wiggles were being elected???? Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say because you're not even following the game, while calling for vig shots.

You have absolutely no right to call anyone bad; shape up and stop being arrogant.

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 29 2012 21:48 GMT

#935

On May 30 2012 06:42 supersoft wrote:
hang me for not succeeding to keep you away from hanging the wrong guys. is that what you wanted to say?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

On May 29 2012 05:05 EchelonTee wrote:
RE: Sinensis

I highly disagree with a Sinensis lynch at this time.

lolololo

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 29 2012 21:59 GMT

#938

Does your post actually say anything?
"I was being ironic before" - nice excuse.
"reducing noise is essentially nothing" - why didn't you articulate this earlier?
"you cannot have it all, and this is" - this makes no sense.

Damn, we lost MG =/ That guy says what he means. Which is important, believe it or not?

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 29 2012 22:23 GMT

#946

I don't really care what you've done in the past lol. You should probably start reading the thread of this game.

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 29 2012 22:30 GMT

#949

I was referring to SS.

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 29 2012 23:03 GMT

#970

crap missed Day post.

Forumite = assassin; likely a mafia shot, because he looked fairly townie to me.

And 2 other missing KP? Dayum, we have some good blues looking over us.

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 29 2012 23:04 GMT

#972

you kick them in the balls then they are masoned?

LMAO!

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 29 2012 23:07 GMT

#976

Does jailer notify? You could've been jailed.

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 29 2012 23:11 GMT

#980

On May 24 2012 16:35 GreYMisT wrote:

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Parity cop cannot target self and is only sane
Hatter triggers bombs when he dies by any means
Framer may not target self
Traitor can't be recruited, SK has NK immunity
Assassin and Lyncher will not be shooting blind

I asked the question a while ago but it wasn't answered :o

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 29 2012 23:32 GMT

#1007

You probably didn't get shot because Mafia WIFOM'd themselves out of it.

Forumite could've been doublestacked.
Mattchew the last KP, unless someone claims a medic protect. I'm curious why he got shot.
VE RB'd by jailer, or mafia RBer. Do we have any other RB claims? Could shed light on mafia roles.

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 30 2012 21:02 GMT

#1393

catching up from pg. 51. looks like I missed a billion pages.

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 30 2012 21:04 GMT

#1396

wait, I'm up for lynch? :o

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 30 2012 21:12 GMT

#1400

Oo probulous replaced in. Someone claimed mason buddy to Gambit? This is TL L all over again -.-

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 30 2012 21:12 GMT

#1403

Wait the fuck, I thought deadline was in 24 hrs, not 2. SERIOUSLY????

I might've dropped the ball hard.

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 30 2012 21:25 GMT

#1412

I'm still reading, but I would support a Kitaman lynch.

With no town deaths I think it's worth it to go for a "tough" lynch. I've talked with Mattchew about this; when you're in LYLO and you're fn desparate, you go for newbie scum easy lynches, but now that it's D2 and we've had only 1 town die, we're in a decent position to go for a scum vet.

Kitaman is a strong town player; I don't have that much experience with him, but in TL L it was pretty damn obvious he was town (I believe he got medic'd D1?). In this game, the extent of his contributions have been

1. talk about Toad being lyncher for a while
2. accuse VE of being scum for not wanting Toad elected

The first one is an easy way to not talk about lynching scum. The second one isn't proof of VE's scumminess; toad wanted to lynch me for a while, so I would think that people not voting for Toad = they think I'm town.

He never responded to VE's question "what do you think of Zealos". He hasn't been very present in town sht at all. It really seems like he's trying to stay under the radar.

Why do people no longer suspect Kita? Or do they still do?

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 30 2012 21:31 GMT

#1422

On May 31 2012 06:26 Ange777 wrote:
What's a gay-phone-session from AC????

^ tons of us weren't in that game.

What's differnece btwn mason and mason recruiter?

I can't honestly believe that all of: Wiggles, Kita, MZ, VE, BH, WBG are ALL town. That would be like. OP.

If I can't build a case on any of you, then I would support lynching one of Manason, G32, or Zealos, but I feel like going for a controversial lynch would yield bigger dividends. Higher risk, higher reward.

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

May 30 2012 21:34 GMT

#1429

@mattchew Unless SnB has drastically improved his scum game, he's probably town this game. His responses to pressure, and his continuing forthrightness seem pretty townie.

In SS Mafia, in response to pressure SnB was all like "pls... believe me I'm town...

"
In this game he's more like "....I'm town you moron".

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