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papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 29 2012 21:30 GMT
#921
Yes! hi Marvel! and welcome others(less enthusiastically).

Since we are letting toad pick, why does he have to declare? Imo this can potential go wrong as mentioned with mafia snipe.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
May 29 2012 21:30 GMT
#922
He doesn't have to declare - actually Forumite and I prefer if he didn't.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
May 29 2012 21:33 GMT
#923
Yeah, I agree with the secrecy. Mason is not a role you can fake for very long (no mafia equivalent), so unless Toad just felt like dying around D3 as scum, he's alright in my book.

Unless he has some wonky 3rd party role -.-
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
May 29 2012 21:34 GMT
#924
ET the going theory is that he's Lyncher...if you're into hunting 3rd parties, that is. I'm not...I just want to know if he's mod-confirmed or not so we can actually analyze the guy without saying "well there IS that claim..."
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 29 2012 21:34 GMT
#925
Is there a particular reason Gambitx32 wasn't warned or replaced for not voting? I ctrl-f'd his name in greymist's filter and didn't find anything there either.

I have a scumread on him based on his only two posts in the thread. Both of his posts are massive walls of summarizing nothing. He also asks
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 29 2012 21:35 GMT
#926
oh wtf it cut off.

He asks a bunch of people to state who they're going to vote and stuff but he doesn't vote himself.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
May 29 2012 21:35 GMT
#927
I'm with you there Bugs, but I assumed he got replaced...actually I thought one of you guys replaced him XD
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
May 29 2012 21:36 GMT
#928
Manason and Gambit are both players that I am suspicious of, so it's cool to see Forumite and WBG respectively target them. Still catching up.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
May 29 2012 21:39 GMT
#929
O wow, Wiggles also noticed the SS silliness here. Interestingggg
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
May 29 2012 21:42 GMT
#930
hang me for not succeeding to keep you away from hanging the wrong guys. is that what you wanted to say?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
May 29 2012 21:44 GMT
#931
Oh Gambit voted Bugs.

On May 29 2012 00:10 GambitX32 wrote:
##Vote: EchelonTee


From the voting thread. He's certainly skirting the activity limit, but he's at least A) posted and B) voted.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 29 2012 21:45 GMT
#932
On May 30 2012 06:42 supersoft wrote:
hang me for not succeeding to keep you away from hanging the wrong guys. is that what you wanted to say?


the point is that you didn't try to prevent it while it could be prevented, only once the deed was done.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
May 29 2012 21:46 GMT
#933
What the balls?

On May 30 2012 03:33 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 02:47 jaj22 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 30 2012 01:57 supersoft wrote:
okay let's play a game: i give you a name and we both write down what we think about his posts and we'll trade it in like 20min (got to eat meanwhile):

meapak_ziph

Ok, I'll play.

Slightly scummy stuff:
- Not running for election despite relatively strong standing.
- Possible buddying/overpraising of ET, Wiggles and Kita.
- Dismisses Toad's case against ET without addressing the points.
- Seems to be ok with policy-lynching Sinensis.
- Story clearly pictures Kita as depressed town. Soft defence?
- Switches Kita to a scum read without explanation.
- Avoids giving read on SnB. Excuse that he hasn't read him.
- No mention at all of Zealos.

On the plus side he's been active and he's contributed on most of the major issues without looking hesitant or indecisive. The lack of reads on SnB and Zealos is by far the worst part.




okay cool. I didn't read your post and I am glad we have almost the same/similar result. interesting.

Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 02:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Supersoft, are you scum, or are you just acting silly on purpose?
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 30 2012 00:04 supersoft wrote:
hey i really appreciate your effort,
but why are you guys always trying so hard. Finding scum is a lot easier than you might think. Don't think around 3 corners. Try to catch the little things. Like that Zealos defends toad at a point when it was really useless to defend him. Neither was he in danger of getting lynched, nor is reducing the pressure that is currently put on a player helping the town. A reasonable explanation for his behaviour is that he's scum, he knows Toad is not. He wanted to get a little towncred. Or not even this, he just wanted to say something. Maybe Toad is even scum, too... See? There are plenty of reasonable explanations for his behaviour if he's scum and almost none if he's town.
It's not a super strong case, but it is a case.

Every other case so far except my toadcase (who is currently on ice until he's confirmed mason) was uncovered and not well thought out. Especially our lynch yesterday. That case was terrible. There was really nothing about it. I could write a lot about why this player was a bad lynch. From an overall gamepolicy point of view because we got no information - maybe some about wiggles - and an individual point of view, because he obviously was town.

Here you say that the case was terrible and sinensis was obviously town. As well, you say that it was a bad lynch. However, when it was actually Day 1, you said no such things. It's only now, after sinensis has flipped that you're coming in here making posts about how he was very obviously town and that the lynch was terrible. The closest (and only!) post to that from before the flip is this:
On May 29 2012 08:25 supersoft wrote:
aww yeah i filtered this sinensis real quick. Completely useless fellow, hang him if you want. Reducing disturbing noise is better than nothing. I'd prefer reducing mafia kp, but you cannot have it all :-/

In which it is not a very good defense of a player who is "obviously" town. It's not going to do anything to change someone's mind. As well, this came after I said that if elected I would lynch sinensis, so there's no excuse like what you said in this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 29 2012 21:35 supersoft wrote:
please dont protect wiggles. i'd rather vig him than protect him. he's been completely useless so far as toad pointed out correctly.
you also should read my filter more often! all of you. dropped some truth already.

+ i want to apologize to wiggles first victim: i realized too late, that you were actually going to die. next time i'll yell much more at them. how retarded was that lynch... i think wiggles needs to die for not listening to the town at the end.
i dont buy it that he wasnt around at deadline since he was the one who got elected. i think if zealos is scum, wiggles looks really bad and should die. i doubt that he'll be able to erase the doubts then. 70% chance he's scum if zealos is.

Of not realizing I was actually going to kill him. I made that very clear in my post, where I stated, "If elected mayor, I'm planning on lynching Sinensis". I don't think it gets any clearer than that. So, you did nothing to try to convince anyone that sinensis was town, which wasn't obvious, considering I had the support of 11 people in lynching him, and you did nothing to convince me to change the lynch. However, after the lynch you're now up in arms about my lynch choice and how I've acted. So, you're either being silly, or you're trying to shovel suspicion on me because I mislynched and just became a lot easier of a target to do so on.

Here's a question for you. If you believed so strongly in these things, why do you only mention them after the flip, and not before when it actually matters and can make a difference?

I also disagree with what Toad said, but that comes down to what we thought about lynches, and who was a good lynch. Obviously, we disagreed.


Okay I have to admit, I really didn't pay enough attention to the votes. I think I already wrote that down somewhere. Bad play. Really. But as far as i know, we discussed zealos as a lynchtarget while you were still around. You didn't react and killed sinesis instead.
I dind't pay too much attention, because I thought we could swing something around in the last hour. Somehow i am used to that especially when there is one guy deciding who to lynch.
In my eyes the common sense at the end of day1 was that zealos is the best lynch. However you refused to carry out that lynch, you failed and now we're here.

Moreover I thought i don't need to defend sinsanis more than that, because we already had a better target. I mean I told you I think he's town. there is not much about it. When I thought about him later more deeply, and reread your cases, I saw that you had nothing real against him. Poor logic and nothing else. Obviously i speak that out.

Now you can't turn that around and blame me for not coming forward with that earlier?! I somehow trusted the general consens and hadn't had time yesterday to go into detail. Now I see more clearly and not because sinsasis flipped.
You guys were policy lynching him because he wanted to policylynch.

That was really bad. Really. Don't argue about that. I am not stupid.


Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 03:05 strongandbig wrote:
On May 29 2012 03:03 supersoft wrote:
My strongest townread is forumite and therefor i vote him for office. I think everyone should do the same. Result will be, that most likely townplayers are in this office and not some players you guys expect to win the game for you. Btw this office with no bodyguards is no office we want to vote the players in, who are in danger of getting shot tonight.


As long as we're talking about super soft, I still haven't heard any response other than "wrong" explaining how this plan is not super scummy.


it's not "super scummy". You failed to explain what's so scummy about that. Your assumption that everyone votes anyone is just wrong. It won't happen. The votes will be on a few players, people can reasonable explain why they think that these particular players are town.
Regarding the lanchtarget I favored a "democratic" system independant from the mayorelection. In my eyes that would have been the most reasonable thing.

Zealos was discussed as a lynch target briefly, but only like you, Forumite, and myself actually said "I would like to lynch this guy. That's not consensus. You also spent most of the time bashing everyone else, calling us all bad, instead of actually trying to push your read. Read my damn filter. I state that I didn't think Sinensis is scum and I said why. What did you do? Nothing? Yeah, nothing.

"you told him you think he's town?" You don't even once mention that you think Sinensis is town! You're compltely, unashamedly lying in this post here. And you didn't even notice the votes?? You didn't know that me and Wiggles were being elected???? Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say because you're not even following the game, while calling for vig shots.

You have absolutely no right to call anyone bad; shape up and stop being arrogant.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
May 29 2012 21:47 GMT
#934
On May 30 2012 06:42 supersoft wrote:
hang me for not succeeding to keep you away from hanging the wrong guys. is that what you wanted to say?


You yourself said that he was a good lynch SS. Why are you expecting everyone to now believe that you thought he was obvTown and that his lynch was a mistake?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
May 29 2012 21:48 GMT
#935
On May 30 2012 06:42 supersoft wrote:
hang me for not succeeding to keep you away from hanging the wrong guys. is that what you wanted to say?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
On May 29 2012 08:25 supersoft wrote:
aww yeah i filtered this sinensis real quick. Completely useless fellow, hang him if you want. Reducing disturbing noise is better than nothing. I'd prefer reducing mafia kp, but you cannot have it all :-/

??
On May 29 2012 05:05 EchelonTee wrote:
RE: Sinensis

I highly disagree with a Sinensis lynch at this time.

lolololo
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
May 29 2012 21:50 GMT
#936
On May 30 2012 06:11 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 05:42 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On May 30 2012 03:43 Forumite wrote:
On May 30 2012 03:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I was around at the deadline, why do you think I wasn't?
I don´t want a vig to shoot you, but supersoft is also one of my stronger townreads in this game, so please give him some slack.

The reason I wonder where you were is because SS and I tried to build a case on Zealos near the deadline, so that you´d lynch him instead of Sinensis. I asked you specifically who you were lynching, before I found out myself from your filter, and I didn´t hear an answer, so I assumed you were elsewhere. Why didn´t you consider our case?

I didn't answer because you found the answer yourself. I did consider your case as well, but I didn't want to just switch my lynch target a half-hour from the lynch without any discussion with town. I felt that sinensis had a good chance of flipping scum, and I said that I was going to lynch him, so I stuck with what I told people I was going to do, instead of frantically rushing around the deadline to figure stuff out and causing a lot of chaos.
Hmmm, I wanted us to lynch Zealos but you are right, there wasn´t enough support at the time. Perhaps if I had gotten back an hour earlier.

What do you think about Zealos now?

I don't think he's looking that good right now. I went back and re-read your case, and tend to agree. Even his last post + Show Spoiler [Post] +
On May 30 2012 05:48 Zealos wrote:
I struggle to see why people think me defending Toad is scummy lol.
I am a townie, because of this, I am posting under the assumption that everyone knows I'm town. Hence why, if I defend someone, its because I think they deserve to be defended. If I post accusations, it will be because I think they are scummy. I'm sorry I haven't posted a great deal yet, like I said, my exam is tomorrow, and so I'll be able to post more then.
is bad. Instead of actually explaining why he defended Toad, he just says that he defends people who deserve it. From my own impression at that time though, there was nothing in thread that would make it so that Toad would deserve to be defended. So, what he said doesn't really make sense, and on top of that he doesn't even explain his actions.

Zealos, why did you think Toad deserved to be defended?
you gotta dance
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
May 29 2012 21:53 GMT
#937
On May 29 2012 08:25 supersoft wrote:
aww yeah i filtered this sinensis real quick. Completely useless fellow, hang him if you want. Reducing disturbing noise is better than nothing. I'd prefer reducing mafia kp, but you cannot have it all :-/


I am going to teach you guys a lesson of the so called "irony":

"Reducing disturbing noise is better than nothing." - it is like nothing: What can you archieve less with a lynch than reducing the number of palyers posting?!

I'd prefer reducing mafia kp, - this is actually not ironic

but you cannot have it all :-/ AND THIS IS!

EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
May 29 2012 21:59 GMT
#938
Does your post actually say anything?
"I was being ironic before" - nice excuse.
"reducing noise is essentially nothing" - why didn't you articulate this earlier?
"you cannot have it all, and this is" - this makes no sense.

Damn, we lost MG =/ That guy says what he means. Which is important, believe it or not?
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 29 2012 22:01 GMT
#939
Ok, so I kind of tried to read all the trillion posts and probably already forgot half of them or mixed up the players.

Some thoughts:

Zealos

I actually would not suspect him to be scum just because he claims VT. In my last (and first) game everyone was pressured to claim directly which - surprisingly - lead to everyone claiming VT. Having only played that game where not claiming was deemed scummy I believe I could have done the same as Zealos. Although he has played several games already and should definitely be more experienced (and maybe know that claming on the start of day 1 is not a common strategy).

What DOES make me suspicious of him is this:
On May 30 2012 05:48 Zealos wrote:
I am a townie, because of this, I am posting under the assumption that everyone knows I'm town.

In this game no one knows for sure whether you are town until you flip green. So why should any of us assume otherwise?

Toad

Regarding his mason claim. I didn't understand why Forumite, VE, ET don't want Toad to tell us his target beforehand? If he declares his target just before the night post, it would be easier to confirm his role and more difficult for him to blame the failed confirmation on the dead player. Which leads me to believe that he truly is mason.

If I remember correctly he was the first one to ask whether or not he should tell us his target before night finishes and no one brought this matter up before him. So if no one asks why should he even bother to mention this and possibly make his life as lyncher harder. Anyway, we will know more about him on day 2 but I do believe he is mason.

I am going to go through Supersoft's filter now and post my thoughts on him later.

♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
May 29 2012 22:02 GMT
#940
nvm.
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